Apo Marcos : Facts And Myths

[camiar]

Authoritarian regimes are never good for any country. They are closed systems that by nature, relies on tight control of military to be able to impose its will on the people and maintain power. Authoritarian regimes like China looks good when things are going well. It seems very efficient in decision-making and accomplishes things faster (because there is no opposition). But now that their economy is in trouble, no one is sure why, what went wrong, who’s to blame and whether it is being fixed. A black box produces awe when things go well. But when they don’t, that opacity causes anxiety and fear.

 

Singapore and Malaysia are to some extent, authoritarian. The system did good for them

 

Thailand was for a time, authoritarian, under military rule. What was good for them was the strong influence of the monarchy, which kept the military rule more pro-people (in contrast to our country where the military during martial law were pro-ruling-elite).

 

But we have come a long way from authoritarian martial rule. Over the years, we have seen our military transform to be more professional now than during the '70s and '80s. I don't think we will go back down that path again. Our constitution has safeguards to make it difficult for an authoritarian-inclined president to call for martial rule without a real emergency.

 

 

Open systems like democracies on the other hand looks very messy and ugly. Our country often looks dysfunctional because its problems are on display and debated daily. Everything — economic strategy, police practices, infrastructure, corruption — is out there and open to constant criticism.But this transparency means that people have information, and it forces the country to look at its problems, grapple with them and react. It seems dysfunctional, but it is actually highly adaptive.

 

Our democracy does not "look dysfunctional" .

 

It is dysfunctional.

 

Our inept leaders are getting away with it because the elite-led media are keeping the people ignorant of the real issues on why we're not moving forward.

 

Democracy works if the people are allowed to make educated choices. The problem is that people are fed superficial information on what's going on.

[rooster69ph]

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[rooster69ph]

). But admitedly Marcoa have stepped on the toes of US/"economic hitmen" one too many times, kay he was a victim of economic sabotage (if he were not sick, I doubt these hitmen could out think him). IMF stopped loan for the Philippines (apparently madami daw masyadong utang ang pinas) but once marcos stepped down e bglang nag open ulit. Ano un bglang naubos ang utang? So inipit ng IMF at world bank ang Pinas.

 

 

 

Well for argument's sake sabihin natin na walanghiya talaga ang mga yan (WB at IMF)... e di sana naisip niya yun muna bago siya nangutang ng nangutang sa kanila.

 

He should have negotiated for terms which would have protected the country's interest at the time the loan was requested ... na siya naman ang dapat kasi siya ang presidente.

 

Kaso hindi e ... nagpabaon sa utang at nun hindi na pinauutang para ipambayad utang kasalanan pa ngayon ng nagpapautang? Obligasyon ba nilang pautangin tayo basta nagsabi si Makoy? Wag natin kalimutan na perogative ng creditors kung pauutangin o hindi si Marcos.

 

Bottomline, its poor financial planning. Just imagine a company who borrows for "expansion" but could not generate enough revenues as source of repayment of its loans but rather rely on additional borrowings. If the cycle continues ... talagang bangkarote ang mangyayari isang araw.

 

[Ryuji_tanaka]

Singapore and Malaysia are to some extent, authoritarian. The system did good for them

 

Thailand was for a time, authoritarian, under military rule. What was good for them was the strong influence of the monarchy, which kept the military rule more pro-people (in contrast to our country where the military during martial law were pro-ruling-elite).

 

But we have come a long way from authoritarian martial rule. Over the years, we have seen our military transform to be more professional now than during the '70s and '80s. I don't think we will go back down that path again. Our constitution has safeguards to make it difficult for an authoritarian-inclined president to call for martial rule without a real emergency.

 

 

Our democracy does not "look dysfunctional" .

 

It is dysfunctional.

 

Our inept leaders are getting away with it because the elite-led media are keeping the people ignorant of the real issues on why we're not moving forward.

 

Democracy works if the people are allowed to make educated choices. The problem is that people are fed superficial information on what's going on.

You forgot Taiwan...it spent decades as a one party system after the Chinese Civil War, it built turned Taiwan from a fishing village into a modern nation.

 

Democracy is not always good....the largest democracy, India, has one of the worst standard of living.

 

The Philippines though, is not even a democracy, its a feudal kleptocracy. Power belongs to the landlord/oligarch.

[Kingkongphils]

 

 

 

Well for argument's sake sabihin natin na walanghiya talaga ang mga yan (WB at IMF)... e di sana naisip niya yun muna bago siya nangutang ng nangutang sa kanila.

 

He should have negotiated for terms which would have protected the country's interest at the time the loan was requested ... na siya naman ang dapat kasi siya ang presidente.

 

Kaso hindi e ... nagpabaon sa utang at nun hindi na pinauutang para ipambayad utang kasalanan pa ngayon ng nagpapautang? Obligasyon ba nilang pautangin tayo basta nagsabi si Makoy? Wag natin kalimutan na perogative ng creditors kung pauutangin o hindi si Marcos.

 

Bottomline, its poor financial planning. Just imagine a company who borrows for "expansion" but could not generate enough revenues as source of repayment of its loans but rather rely on additional borrowings. If the cycle continues ... talagang bangkarote ang mangyayari isang araw.

 

Yun nga ang point pag developing country ka kailangan mong umutang to build infra... (alam na kung ano infra pinagagawa ni marcos). Even US madaming utang sa IMF yan.. utang pa nga yan to wage war in iraq, afghan...

[rooster69ph]

Yun nga ang point pag developing country ka kailangan mong umutang to build infra... (alam na kung ano infra pinagagawa ni marcos). Even US madaming utang sa IMF yan.. utang pa nga yan to wage war in iraq, afghan...

 

 

So nung hindi makabayad si makoy sa kanyang pinagkakautangan sasabihin mo yun creditors ang problema...wow!

 

Parang isang kumpanya nangutang sa bpi ng 100m for expansion. E walang pambayad so gustong umutang muli. Eh ayaw na pautangin ni bpi so kasalanan ngayon ni bpi?

 

The point is not about how he used the funds but rather if he had a repayment plan. Obviously, it didn't work out. Therefore poor financial planning by makoy.

 

Nag default din ba ang US tulad nun panahon ni Makoy? Iyon ang malaking pagkakaiba.

[Kingkongphils]

So nung hindi makabayad si makoy sa kanyang pinagkakautangan sasabihin mo yun creditors ang problema...wow!

 

Parang isang kumpanya nangutang sa bpi ng 100m for expansion. E walang pambayad so gustong umutang muli. Eh ayaw na pautangin ni bpi so kasalanan ngayon ni bpi?

 

The point is not about how he used the funds but rather if he had a repayment plan. Obviously, it didn't work out. Therefore poor financial planning by makoy.

 

Nag default din ba ang US tulad nun panahon ni Makoy? Iyon ang malaking pagkakaiba.

Wow kauutang lang dapat bayad agad???? Pwede bng installment ang bayad???

[punkee]

That is why this country could not move forward. We should be resolving other problems by now. Yet, we argue and some even try to bring back about a problem that has been resolved more than 20yrs ago - the Marcoses. They had their time. They made their money. Why do you guys cling to them? Arent there millions of options?

[Kingkongphils]

^^ its because of that typical filipino attitude na kaya ako ganito dahil kay ganyan.. parating dapat may sisishin. Kaya gusto ng "underdog" para may masisis... sa pambansang awit palang e... "ang mamatay ng dahil syo" patay agad.. dapat "ang pumatay ng dahil syo"

[rooster69ph]

Wow kauutang lang dapat bayad agad???? Pwede bng installment ang bayad???

Hahaha...obviously it shows di mo alam ang nangyayari sa hirit mo. Wala kang kamuwang-muwang.

 

Pag umutang may term yan...yun utang ng pilipinas nun panahon ni makoy ay obviously long term. So ang tanong principal lang ba ang dapat bayaran? Hindi! Siyempre yun interest portion ay dapat bayaran din. Pero sandali...when the philippines defaulted marcos has been in power for 20years. How sure are you na yun principal na dapat nang bayaran ay kauutang pa lang? How sure are you na full principal payment ang sinisingil at hindi amortization lang?

 

Research before you post.

[meralcoboy]

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It would be nicer if you will be posting solid references for these details, and also statistics after Mr. Marcos.

[rooster69ph]

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[rooster69ph]

Marcos lovers are the loneliest in this planet. They think Imelda Marcos lived a simple and humble lifestyle and shares all her blessings to the poor and oppressed. Lol

 

Before they are often referred to as Marcos Loyalist ... over time seems to be more like Marcostards. Just dumb ...kaya panay hingi ng explanation pero di naman maintindihan Sayang lang effort pag pinatulan mo

[punkee]

Let us not forget, the term Marcos Loyalist was born at a time when the country was fighting a peaceful revolution against the abuses of a dictatorship. When the country was fighting for its freedom, some people stuck w the Marcoses and were labeled Marcos loyalists as opposed to being loyal to their country.

 

And as such, being loyal to a family name is never something to be proud of.

[rooster69ph]

Let us not forget, the term Marcos Loyalist was born at a time when the country was fighting a peaceful revolution against the abuses of a dictatorship. When the country was fighting for its freedom, some people stuck w the Marcoses and were labeled Marcos loyalists as opposed to being loyal to their country.

 

And as such, being loyal to a family name is never something to be proud of.

 

Only fools do ...bigla na lang lilitaw yan. yun na!

Edited April 12, 2016 by rooster69ph