Apo Marcos : Facts And Myths

[Julianda]

 

Any thoughts?

 

 

 

From the Lips of the Dying President FERDINAND MARCOS

 

[Kingkongphils]

Solita Monsod has always been anti-Marcos. I would take her words with not only a grain but a pound of salt.

There is a post about this on the Aquino-Cojuangco thread.

Not only is she an anti marcos, she is an aquino lap dog. I cant forget how she used her news segment to bash villar and defend aquino regarding villars c5 scam and aquino-cojuangco hacienda luisita scam...

[pinpoint015]

Not only is she an anti marcos, she is an aquino lap dog. I cant forget how she used her news segment to bash villar and defend aquino regarding villars c5 scam and aquino-cojuangco hacienda luisita scam...

When I hear her on the news, lipat agad ng station. Halata pagka-bias nya.

[haroots2]

Marcos was a great leader. His performance deteriorated when his health is starting to fail. Same problem now with Miriam. He should've pass the torch earlier (even before Ninoy was killed). Wala sanang naging people power and the rise of the Aquino's.

[pinpoint015]

Heard the phrase, "necessary evils"? Hahaha.

[JohnLee]

Simple lang yan.

 

Fact #1 - $ reserve at the end of the Marcos dictatorship was < a billion.

Fact #2 - Comparison of GDP & Per Capita (both PPP & nominal) before, during and after the Marcos dictatorship. Not to mention other economic factors such as debt, FX, etc.

Fact #3 - As an 8 year old kid, I saw the police summarily killing a person in our neighborhood.

 

Sino-sino ang nakinabang? Ano ang napala ng majority? Its true that there are still a lot of Filipinos living in poverty but the reality is mas naghirap ang buhay natin under Marcos.

[NooB]

 

 

What made you say that our life was harder under Marcos?

 

Compare the economic situations before edsa 1 and before edsa 2.

 

EDIT: And also compare the economic situation before edsa 3 with the two edsa's preceeding it

Edited March 25, 2016 by NooB

[Kingkongphils]

Actually si Gringo Honasan mismo ang nag sabi na maganda naman ang martial law, sabi nya san mo makikita na ang pilipino e maayos na pumipila.

If you read books about marcos you would see na during his time marami cyang nabangang businessmen and international businesses then. Admitedly since he would change some rules in the middle of the game. However, these rule changes would benifit more filipinos. Ung meralco takeover lang, e at first thought e akala mo hindi fair but if you would look at it closely, e mad maganda sa isang country na ang utilities e run by the state. Kita mo nung nabenta ang petron sa private, walang ng control ang governmwnt sa oil price.

My point here is, these are the power of people with money. If the freeze their accounts, wala na ang economy and it will yield temporary recession. IMF froze their lending to the Phils, and the moment Marcos stepped down opened again, so what does that mean? Kaya nga these stats may mean poor but the filipino life says the opposite thing. I think and I believe Marcos was just a victim of economic sabotage, which would not have happened if he was not ailing. Kaya nga akala mo mahirap ang filipino noon but really pag mag tanong ka sa bahay bahay e okey ang buhay nila, mas okey kesa ngyn. These figures doea not really reflect the life of filipinos back then. Lalo na ang agriculture, which was one of the pride and joy of the marcis era.

[Kingkongphils]

^^ san ka nakakita na "bagsak" ang economy tapos after 1 year sa pag stepdown ni Marcos angat agad ang stats ng economy? San ka nakakita ng ganun? For the sake of arguement marcos took 20 years to put down economy tapos pag pwesto ni cory angat agad ng mataas??? Tpos ngyn na hindi maka usad sisishin pa dn si Marcos na madami kasing utang. The way I see it, dinoctor lng nila ang stats para sabihing napakasama ng econony ng pinas nung marcos regime at dinictor ulit nila for improvement para patotohanan. E hindi pala ganun kadali, KAYA... what we have know are misleading economic stats. Proof... one president will always say na nag improve ang economy kesa nung previous administartion pero ang buhay, ganun pa dn. Mahirap pa dn. Proof again. When PNoy became president he said malayo na raw ang narating, he compared how far the economy has grown since the GMA admin... ngyn na visually at ang kahirapan ay damang dama pa dn.. unemployment, gap ng mahirap sa mayaman. Lack of education, he sings the tune na napakaraming utang kasi na iniwan ng marcos regime... now tell me how are these economic stats reliable? Simple lang naman ang measure dyn ang employment rate, education, at foreign investors lang ang tignan mo para malaman kung umuunlad tyo. E kung ung bigas lang at asukal na DAPAT tyo ang nangunuguna e nag iimport pa tyo tapos sasabihin mo na unuunlad ang pilipinas e dapat questionable na un.

[BennyChang]

Well' marcos was in power for 20 long years. Thats 2 decades. He declared martial law. He was toppled by a peaceful people power that proved na ayaw na sa kanya ng taumbayan. Fact

[Kingkongphils]

Really? As far as I know, there were around 2 million people there. The population of the Philippines that time was around 50 million. The fact is only 4% of the population was confirmed not to like Marcos. What about the other 96%? So yeah, fact nga na 4% lang yung confirmed na ayaw kay Marcos.

That is true... comparable fact... erap was also ousted by " EDSA revolution" when he ran again for president... he finished no. 2... tinalo pa c villar (3rd) by a very wide margin. Ibig sabihin kung hindi tunakbo c noynoy e c erap ulit prrsidente natin who was ousted too by "EDSA revolution". So by people not liking... I dont think so.

[BennyChang]

Really? As far as I know, there were around 2 million people there. The population of the Philippines that time was around 50 million. The fact is only 4% of the population was confirmed not to like Marcos. What about the other 96%? So yeah, fact nga na 4% lang yung confirmed na ayaw kay Marcos.

Dude, all facts about Marcos would be fiction to you because you are a diehard Marcos old timer loyalist. Tulog ka na dude. Di healthy sa edad mo nagpupuyat. Lol

Edited March 25, 2016 by bigbert23

[Booblehead]

Si Marcos ay sinira ng mga economic hitmen ng America. Mga hudeo kagaya nila Wolfowitz. Kasabwat ng World Bank at IMF (Insane Motherfkers)

[Kingkongphils]

Si Marcos ay sinira ng mga economic hitmen ng America. Mga hudeo kagaya nila Wolfowitz. Kasabwat ng World Bank at IMF (Insane Motherfkers)

True, your statement has basis as much as what anti marcos are saying. Try reading the waltzing with a dictator book(anti marcos book, dont know if its all true but i think some are far feached) you will see there that marcos ran rings around 4 US presidents. Ginwa nyang lokoloko ang mga US president. On his second term US does not like to support him, but he said if you dont like maybe my people want Russia to support the Phils. During these times Philippines is a young country who likes adventurism. A lot of people wanted to join the communism so they can take down marcos (because od his ties with the US). So basically it is proof that marcos declaring martial law, saved the Philippines from communism. Kaya nga kht martial law e supported pa dn ng US ang pinas because of the Philippines contribution against communism(which is a world wide threat). But admitedly Marcoa have stepped on the toes of US/"economic hitmen" one too many times, kay he was a victim of economic sabotage (if he were not sick, I doubt these hitmen could out think him). IMF stopped loan for the Philippines (apparently madami daw masyadong utang ang pinas) but once marcos stepped down e bglang nag open ulit. Ano un bglang naubos ang utang? So inipit ng IMF at world bank ang Pinas.

Edited March 25, 2016 by Kingkongphils

[Redguard45]

Authoritarian regimes are never good for any country. They are closed systems that by nature, relies on tight control of military to be able to impose its will on the people and maintain power. Authoritarian regimes like China looks good when things are going well. It seems very efficient in decision-making and accomplishes things faster (because there is no opposition). But now that their economy is in trouble, no one is sure why, what went wrong, who’s to blame and whether it is being fixed. A black box produces awe when things go well. But when they don’t, that opacity causes anxiety and fear.

 

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