Apo Marcos : Facts And Myths

[punkee]

sige na. if you guys are truly serious in comparing Japan to the Marcoses. go ahead if it makes you feel good. tutal, pag may tinamaan, Ide-delete lang naman post ko kahit totoo. ​

 

In the meantime, SC affirms forfeiture of $40M Marcos Arelma assets.

 

"While there are frustrating delays and obstacles in the course of our work, the commission remains steadfast in its commitment to restore what was taken from the public coffers." - PCGG Chairman Andres Bautista.

 

The Marcoses are guilty no matter who sits in government. Paloko pa kayo more.

[punkee]

Marcos wartime stories have been proven false. more than two times over. :-) not just by people against Marcos. many groups, here and abroad, have attested to FM's made-up stories.

 

those stories are true only to people who have selective memory.

[haroots2]

Head of Government: Ferdinand Marcos

Country/Term of Office: President of Philippines, 1972-86

 

Your fact is a bit off.

[haroots2]

 

hindi ko fact yan kaya nilagay ko yung source

 

Source: Transparency International, Global Corruption Report 2004

 

puntahan mo at sulatan mo para i correct mo sila. journalists naman ang mga yan at ibibigay nila sayo ang details ng report nila.

 

So you don't know his term as president to correct it yourself? Lol. Why would their detailed report would matter to his term for me to ask for it?

Its your post here so I informed you not them.

Edited August 3, 2016 by haroots2

[haroots2]

 

minsan talaga mapapakamot ka na lang sa mga nakakahalubilong mga taong ganito. SMH. syempre alam ko term niya. pero ang source yan ang nilagay nila kaya sila na bahala ang mag correct. sa dinadami ng papansinin mo yung napakaliit na bagay tulad ng term pa pinansin mo. SMH ulit. typographical error yan. madalas marami ka naman makikitang mga dyornalista na nagkakamali sa mga pagtatype nila ng mga balita nila. so hindi out of the ordinary na magkaroon ka ng ganyang pagkakamali.

 

mas importante yung mga figures na nasagap nila sa pagiimbestiga nila.

 

diyan sa mga source na yan doon ka makakapagformulate ng sarili mong opinyon kung ano ang nangyari at kung dapat bang sabihin na tama ba ito o mali.

 

pero kung talagang mas gusto mo bigyan ng pansin ang graphic na yan eh welcome kang sumulat o magemail sa Transparency International at sabihin na nagkamali sila ng lagay sa term of Presidency ni dating Pangulong Marcos dagdagan mo ng references para may confirmation na fact ito ah. sus ginoo, diyos ko, bigyan mo ko ng lakas.

 

I read the details and you didn't see me contesting it am I? Masama bang sabihin yung mali sa post mo? Di ba ang thread na ito fact and Myths tungkol kay FM? Baka maging myths yung post mo kung may mga mali di po ba? Masama bang i correct kung alam mo naman na mali?

[Booblehead]

Gusto ko mabura na sa mundo ang mga LP na ito at maka-Dilawan! Mga hipokrito mga magnanakaw at mga demonyong nagpahirap sa ating bayan! pagdating ng zombie apocalypse papatayin ko silang lahat!

[everyman]

1. Mr. Marcos lied about receiving the U.S. Medal of Honor, Silver Star, and Order of the Purple Heart, which he claimed as early as about 1945.

2. His guerrilla unit, the Ang Mga Maharlika, was never officially recognized and neither was his leadership of it.

3. U.S. officials did not recognize Mr. Marcos’s rank promotion from Major in 1944 to Lt. Col. by 1947.

4. Some of Mr. Marcos’s actions as a soldier were officially called into question by upper echelons of the U.S. military, such as his command over the Allas Intelligence Unit (described as “usurpation”), his commissioning of officers (without authority), his abandonment of USAFIP-NL presumably to build an airfield for Gen. Roxas, his collection of money for the airfield (described as “illegal”), and his listing of his name on the roster of different units (called a “malicious criminal act”).

Mr. Marcos’s military record is fraught with myths, factual inconsistencies, and lies. The rule in history is that when a claim is disproven—such as Mr. Marcos’s claims about his medals, rank, and guerrilla unit—it is simply dismissed. When, moreover, a historical matter is under question or grave doubt, as expressed in the military records about Mr. Marcos’s actions and character as a soldier, the matter may not be established or taken as fact. A doubtful record also does not serve as sound, unassailable basis of historical recognition of any sort, let alone burial in a site intended, as its name suggests, for heroes.

For these reasons, the NATIONAL HISTORICAL COMMISSION OF THE PHILIPPINES opposes the plan to bury Mr. Marcos at the Libingan ng mga Bayani.

The COMMISSION undertook this study as part of its mandate to conduct and disseminate historical research and resolve historical controversies. (Section 5 and 7, R.A. 10086).

[everyman]

^The National Historical Commission of the Philippines composed of academics with doctorate degrees will stick out their heads, endanger their careers and their reputation to mouth propaganda.

 

I don't think so.

[everyman]

This is the article. For the undecided and the uninformed this may be an eye opener.

 

 

MARCOS'S WARTIME ROLE DISCREDITED IN U.S. FILES

 

http://www.nytimes.com/1986/01/23/world/marcos-s-wartime-role-discredited-in-us-files.html

 

Alfred W. McCoy, a historian, discovered the documents among hundreds of thousands of others several months ago while at the National Archives researching a book on World War II in the Philippines. Dr. McCoy was granted the access normally accorded to scholars, and when he came upon the the Maharlika files he was allowed to review and copy them along with others. Archives officials did not learn what the documents contained until after they were copied.

 

Dr. McCoy, an American professor of history at the University of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia, said he was ''stunned'' when he found the records last summer. He said he worked with the records by himself until this month. He brought them to the attention of The New York Times last week.

The records were reviewed at the Archives, where officials confirmed their authenticity. In addition, several former American military officers who played important roles in the events described in the records were interviewed.

[everyman]

The document sources where the Alfred McCoy/NHCP research was based, however, is solid and unassailable. Primary sources. Astig.

[everyman]

Marcos loyalists should not miss reading the NHCP pamphlet kahit na unfavorable ito sa mga Marcos. Pirma ni Macoy nung 1947 nandun, ang linaw. Piece of history, men.

[everyman]

A must read for those really interested in separating fact from fiction, a treasure trove for history buffs:

 

Why Ferdinand E. Marcos Should Not Be Buried at the Libingan ng mga Bayani

by the National Historical Commission of the Philippines

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_Fxiq95vA8ORC0tVzBoM1Flckk/view

 

 

--can be downloaded from the NHCP website and Facebook page

 

 

 

 

[punkee]

good link, everyman.

 

So much of that around already from reputable sources both here and abroad. The only thing left for those who did not experience Marcos is to objectively read and they will have an idea what is true - that the Marcoses are a family of murderers and thieves.

 

For those old enough to experience Marcos, then you have witnessed the family's exaggerated extravagance, their political enemies gone missing and turning up dead, the heroic war stories proven to be made up, and a country totally bankrupt. So what are you guys supporting again? And is what is so good about this Marcos again? He is not even a good leader when he cant control his wife.

 

like many pinoys nowadays, the truth and facts do not seem to be important anymore. there is an abundance of weaklings now who would just rather believe what they get from hearsay, fascinating stories, interesting personalities, and worse, MONEY.

[punkee]

Whether 1965 or 1986, if they were lies they are lies. Even if there was pamumulitika, point is, THEY ARE still LIES. So what is Marcos? A president who lied about his credentials. A soldier who lied about his medals. There is no stopping that.

 

You dont have to support any Aquino to say that. Kahit si Pokwang binoto mo, it doesnt change the fact that Marcos lied about his medals so hwag nang pilitin ang dilaw or Aquino.

 

And he has a son who lied about his education too. And no yellowtard had anything to do with that. Credit that lie fully to BBM.

[everyman]

Like I said, history is written by the victors. If the Edsa Revolution failed and Marcos was still president, do you think the NHCP would still put Marcos in an unsavory light?

 

Whether Marcos is still president or not, the fact remains that Ferdinand E. Marcos lied about his World War 2 heroics.

 

Whether the U.S. Military documents surfaced or not, the fact remains that Ferdinand E. Marcos lied about his World War 2 heroics.

 

The U.S. Military records of the 1940's where the NHCP/Alfred McCoy based their research on are authentic and the documents are unassailable.

 

The investigation done by the U.S. Military in the 1940s, long before Marcos or EDSA held any meaning to Philippine history, precludes any bias for or against Marcos.

Edited August 8, 2016 by everyman