camiar Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 (edited) I don't think the Chinese will invade any other part of the Philippines except the Spratlys. Once they take hold of the Spratlys that's it na, otherwise they will risk getting the ire of the other asian countries. This will happen as soon as there is confirmation that there's a lot of good quality oil in and around the Spratlys. But then that will also be a good reason for Uncle Sam to come to the aid of the Philippines, in the meantime puro "word war" lang iyan.Perhaps you mean the Pag-asa island, the biggest island in the Spratlys? That island is the most strategic of all, because it is the biggest, and it has the largest airstrip in the area. If China can take over Pag-asa Island, they can station jet fighters and bombers there and control virtually all the sea lanes in the area. It would be like having an aircraft carrier battle group permanently deployed in the middle of West Philippine Sea. But I doubt if they would make he first move to take the island by force. It's bad for their business and international relations. They cannot risk ASEAN turning from a political and economic alliance into a military alliance. And to whom would you think Japan, South Korea, and Australia would side with in case ASEAN stands up to China? But of course, the possibility of China getting too greedy and agressive to make the first move is still there. That's why we should upgrade our capabilities to defend our territory as much as we can. This is Pag-asa Island of the Kalayaan Group: This is a model a Naval and Air Base that the Chinese can transform it into if they ever get control of the island: Edited August 14, 2011 by camiar Quote Link to comment
red60 Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 O ayan na dumating na ang panlaban natin sa Tsina! 1 Quote Link to comment
zenislev Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 (edited) O ayan na dumating na ang panlaban natin sa Tsina! she arrived here with only a 76mm gun, unless she is refitted with a few more capable weapon system and equipped with a modern chopper, she will be still a moving operational sitting duck against China. yet, she pose a lot of potential despite her age. Edited August 25, 2011 by zenislev Quote Link to comment
KillTheDEVIL Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Don't worry about the dilapidated Chinese carrier. Its aircrafts are Su-33 which are too old to fly too coz they were manufactured in 1995 and were even decommissioned already by the Soviets. Quote Link to comment
KillTheDEVIL Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 The Chinese will use their blue water navy to keep their sea lanes and supply routes open. I doubt if they will ever use them to invade smaller countries like the Philippines. Not good for their relationship with the rest of their Asian neighbors. correct. Invasion is farfetched to say the least. Quote Link to comment
zenislev Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Don't worry about the dilapidated Chinese carrier. Its aircrafts are Su-33 which are too old to fly too coz they were manufactured in 1995 and were even decommissioned already by the Soviets. compared to what we have, they are still more capable. Quote Link to comment
jopoc Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 heard from the grapevine that Pnoy is shopping for some blackhawks. Quote Link to comment
heatseeker0714 Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 (edited) heard from the grapevine that Pnoy is shopping for some blackhawks. scuttlebut is, they're going for 3 Medium type Helis that are to be stationed 1 each for the 3 Hamiltons... 2 more Hamiltons after the GDP are currently on the negotiating block which Uncle Sam is likely to approve. Each Medium Type Chopper (which the Blackhawk is one of) can be armed with either Torpedoes for anti-submarine warfare or Precision Guided Munitions (Smart Bombs for desk bound warriors who watch CNN)... Plus there are already plans to install Long Range Air Search Radars on the GDP and the 2 others on the board because the Yanks removed the ones installed on them prior to transferring to the Philippine Navy. The GDP currently has only a Long Range Surface Radar, they can only detect ships, not planes.... The future plans for the 3 Hamiltons which would be funded by the Malampaya gas fields income are the following: -Brand New Long Range Air Search Radar-Brand New Medium Class Chopper (Probably Sokols from Poland or Blackhawks from the US)-Surface to Surface Missiles (Probably Tomahawk cruise missiles)-Sonar System (to detect submarines)-Torpedoes-Air Defense Missiles-25MM Automatic Cannons-Additional .50Cal Mahineguns -Chaff (to lure away incoming Air to surface or surface to surface Missiles) Remember guys, those 3 Hamilton's are just for Naval Visibility, they're not expected to go toe to toe with the commie chinks. They were bought to Patrol the WPS, not slug it out with the Chink Navy. Kaya lang naman malakas loob manghimasok ng mga intsik na yan kasi wala tayong assets sa lugar, but with the arrival of the Hamiltons, well, they're a game changer... di na basta-basta makapag tatayo ng mga structures mga intsik na yan sa spratly's.... kasi yung mga intsik parang squatters sila eh.... pag squatters nakakita ng bakanteng lote at walang bantay, tayo agad ng mga bahay yan. pero kahit na isang barangay sila at nakita nila na yung lote eh meron kahit na isang sekyu, kahit na kinakalawang na yung shotgun nung sekyu, they wouldn't dare build their shanties on said lot. ang kailangan lang kasi eh bago pa sila makapagtayo ng structures nila eh meron nang sumita sa kanila. yung mga squatter ganon din, hanggat hindi pa buo yung bahay nila at nasita na agad nung sekyu, karipas mga P.I. na yan.... Edited August 26, 2011 by heatseeker0714 Quote Link to comment
zenislev Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 scuttlebut is, they're going for 3 Medium type Helis that are to be stationed 1 each for the 3 Hamiltons... 2 more Hamiltons after the GDP are currently on the negotiating block which Uncle Sam is likely to approve. Each Medium Type Chopper (which the Blackhawk is one of) can be armed with either Torpedoes for anti-submarine warfare or Precision Guided Munitions (Smart Bombs for desk bound warriors who watch CNN)... Plus there are already plans to install Long Range Air Search Radars on the GDP and the 2 others on the board because the Yanks removed the ones installed on them prior to transferring to the Philippine Navy. The GDP currently has only a Long Range Surface Radar, they can only detect ships, not planes.... The future plans for the 3 Hamiltons which would be funded by the Malampaya gas fields income are the following: -Brand New Long Range Air Search Radar-Brand New Medium Class Chopper (Probably Sokols from Poland or Blackhawks from the US)-Surface to Surface Missiles (Probably Tomahawk cruise missiles)-Sonar System (to detect submarines)-Torpedoes-Air Defense Missiles-25MM Automatic Cannons-Additional .50Cal Mahineguns -Chaff (to lure away incoming Air to surface or surface to surface Missiles) Remember guys, those 3 Hamilton's are just for Naval Visibility, they're not expected to go toe to toe with the commie chinks. They were bought to Patrol the WPS, not slug it out with the Chink Navy. Kaya lang naman malakas loob manghimasok ng mga intsik na yan kasi wala tayong assets sa lugar, but with the arrival of the Hamiltons, well, they're a game changer... di na basta-basta makapag tatayo ng mga structures mga intsik na yan sa spratly's.... kasi yung mga intsik parang squatters sila eh.... pag squatters nakakita ng bakanteng lote at walang bantay, tayo agad ng mga bahay yan. pero kahit na isang barangay sila at nakita nila na yung lote eh meron kahit na isang sekyu, kahit na kinakalawang na yung shotgun nung sekyu, they wouldn't dare build their shanties on said lot. ang kailangan lang kasi eh bago pa sila makapagtayo ng structures nila eh meron nang sumita sa kanila. yung mga squatter ganon din, hanggat hindi pa buo yung bahay nila at nasita na agad nung sekyu, karipas mga P.I. na yan.... still the question is, will these dream will be come real, or will just remain the way it is? keep on dreaming.. Quote Link to comment
heatseeker0714 Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 still the question is, will these dream will be come real, or will just remain the way it is? keep on dreaming.. reality na yan, no doubt about it... yung GDP nga November last year lang sinimulan yung procurement process, May this year transferred na satin.... matagal ng plano ng PN yan, pera lang talaga kulang. The Malampaya Gas fields going full blast is the game changer. Pera-pera lang yan eh, basta meron kang pera ang bilis. What i like about the malampaya gas fields is that it's income is controlled by the Department of Energy... kaya halos discretion nila kung saan dadalin yung pera... kung controlled ng congress yang income ng malampaya naku!!!!! meron nakong apo at lahat wala pa ding barko. Credit should be given where credit is due. The primary mover of this idea that Malampaya income be used to help the AFP was former Dept. of Energy Secretary Angelo Reyes during his term in the DOE... Also the Petroleum industry here in the Philippines.... kung di sila sumang-ayon kay Reyes at di nag-ingay yang mga yan sa gobyerno, wala pa ding barko kahit meron ng pera... 3 up-armed Hamiltons with 3 medium helicopters on board, the proposed 3 Brand New MPV's to be bought from Indonesia and the Brand New Lead-in Jets to be bought are a credible force in the WPS.... They may not be strong, but they're credible enough to put those commie chink squatters on hold... Nowadays, NAVAL VISIBILITY's the name of the game in the WPS.... Quote Link to comment
dos8dos Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 ^talaga lang ha, kay angie ang credit ha..basta alam ko kaya hindi nagkaroon ng bagong barkong pandigma ang pinas dahil panay ang bulsa ng mga namumuno alam nating lahat na pakikiapid sa china ang policy ng glory admin (joint seismic survey agreement) at hindi pagtatangol sa bayan Quote Link to comment
kidpoker Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Dumating na ang isa sa mga Hamilton class ships. Ang pangalan na ibinigay ay BRP Gregorio H del Pilar. Tutuloy kaagad ito sa Spratleys. 4 months continuous operations ang capability nito sa high seas. Fully equipped din ng sophisticated military weapons at surveillance equipment. Quote Link to comment
kidpoker Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 scuttlebut is, they're going for 3 Medium type Helis that are to be stationed 1 each for the 3 Hamiltons... 2 more Hamiltons after the GDP are currently on the negotiating block which Uncle Sam is likely to approve. Each Medium Type Chopper (which the Blackhawk is one of) can be armed with either Torpedoes for anti-submarine warfare or Precision Guided Munitions (Smart Bombs for desk bound warriors who watch CNN)... Plus there are already plans to install Long Range Air Search Radars on the GDP and the 2 others on the board because the Yanks removed the ones installed on them prior to transferring to the Philippine Navy. The GDP currently has only a Long Range Surface Radar, they can only detect ships, not planes.... The future plans for the 3 Hamiltons which would be funded by the Malampaya gas fields income are the following: -Brand New Long Range Air Search Radar-Brand New Medium Class Chopper (Probably Sokols from Poland or Blackhawks from the US)-Surface to Surface Missiles (Probably Tomahawk cruise missiles)-Sonar System (to detect submarines)-Torpedoes-Air Defense Missiles-25MM Automatic Cannons-Additional .50Cal Mahineguns -Chaff (to lure away incoming Air to surface or surface to surface Missiles) Remember guys, those 3 Hamilton's are just for Naval Visibility, they're not expected to go toe to toe with the commie chinks. They were bought to Patrol the WPS, not slug it out with the Chink Navy. Kaya lang naman malakas loob manghimasok ng mga intsik na yan kasi wala tayong assets sa lugar, but with the arrival of the Hamiltons, well, they're a game changer... di na basta-basta makapag tatayo ng mga structures mga intsik na yan sa spratly's.... kasi yung mga intsik parang squatters sila eh.... pag squatters nakakita ng bakanteng lote at walang bantay, tayo agad ng mga bahay yan. pero kahit na isang barangay sila at nakita nila na yung lote eh meron kahit na isang sekyu, kahit na kinakalawang na yung shotgun nung sekyu, they wouldn't dare build their shanties on said lot. ang kailangan lang kasi eh bago pa sila makapagtayo ng structures nila eh meron nang sumita sa kanila. yung mga squatter ganon din, hanggat hindi pa buo yung bahay nila at nasita na agad nung sekyu, karipas mga P.I. na yan.... 2 More Hamilton Class ships are already a done deal. There is already a contract for a total of 3 with 1 already delivered as the GDP. New group of sailors and officers will be trained in the USA like the group that boarded the GDP. The US Coast Guard is set to decommission 3 more Hamilton class ships and 2 of them will go to the Philippines. Quote Link to comment
kidpoker Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 reality na yan, no doubt about it... yung GDP nga November last year lang sinimulan yung procurement process, May this year transferred na satin.... matagal ng plano ng PN yan, pera lang talaga kulang. The Malampaya Gas fields going full blast is the game changer. Pera-pera lang yan eh, basta meron kang pera ang bilis. What i like about the malampaya gas fields is that it's income is controlled by the Department of Energy... kaya halos discretion nila kung saan dadalin yung pera... kung controlled ng congress yang income ng malampaya naku!!!!! meron nakong apo at lahat wala pa ding barko. Credit should be given where credit is due. The primary mover of this idea that Malampaya income be used to help the AFP was former Dept. of Energy Secretary Angelo Reyes during his term in the DOE... Also the Petroleum industry here in the Philippines.... kung di sila sumang-ayon kay Reyes at di nag-ingay yang mga yan sa gobyerno, wala pa ding barko kahit meron ng pera... 3 up-armed Hamiltons with 3 medium helicopters on board, the proposed 3 Brand New MPV's to be bought from Indonesia and the Brand New Lead-in Jets to be bought are a credible force in the WPS.... They may not be strong, but they're credible enough to put those commie chink squatters on hold... Nowadays, NAVAL VISIBILITY's the name of the game in the WPS.... Merong support ang acquisition ng 3 Hamilton class ships based sa Foreign Military Sales program ng Amerika. Ang dinig ko may financial incentive ito na component kaya malakas ang interes ng gobyerno ng Pilipinas. Quote Link to comment
zenislev Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Dumating na ang isa sa mga Hamilton class ships. Ang pangalan na ibinigay ay BRP Gregorio H del Pilar. Tutuloy kaagad ito sa Spratleys. 4 months continuous operations ang capability nito sa high seas. Fully equipped din ng sophisticated military weapons at surveillance equipment. Yes its here but it will go into the dry docks again for repainting of our Navy colors, some repairs, refitting of additional weapons and equipments. I believe there was already a bidding for its refitting. It maybe not enough to face the Chin's Flat Top, but it could be enough to fight before it goes down. Quote Link to comment
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