Utah Jazz

[FF]

luke.... the dude's still in russia. nba watchers say he's on the trading block. we'll update you with more news when he flies back in.

 

 

and the news is ... ( in case you haven't heard is ) ... AK47 wants out of the jazz . to read more click http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-28-7...-s-Staying.html

[orionpax]

AK 47 says he wont return to Utah and he doesnt deserve that much money... hehehe

[launchpad]

if he gets traded to the suns his on my fanstasy list! damn! amare and AK47 what a tandem i dont think there will be much guys getting easy baskets and nash and AK47 hahaha

[FF]

if he gets traded to the suns his on my fanstasy list! damn! amare and AK47 what a tandem i dont think there will be much guys getting easy baskets and nash and AK47 hahaha

 

marion for kirilenko is a good trade. for more on ak47's saga click http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-28-8...-Kirilenko.html

[howard_the_duck]

AK47 is one big BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZER

[tanis]

Uy meron na palang thread ang Utah Jazz ko.

Nice!!

[FF]

Uy meron na palang thread ang Utah Jazz ko.

Nice!!

 

welcome tanis ! just backread and you'll note that we've been here for quite some time. among the many fans ( joke ! at best there's five or six of us ) are spongebobby , lyssahot , myself and some other mtc people who find time to post when the season swings around.

[michael88]

oo nga marion for AK is a good trade. both are unhappy with their teams.

[boy anis]

lugi ang jazz pagnangyari un dahil sa sweldo plang eh mas malaki sweldo ni marion kaysa kay ak47. ngayon makakahinga ng malalim na ang suns ang jazz naman baka ma taxhan naman ng malaki bwahahaha :thumbsupsmiley:

[kanski]

lugi ang jazz pagnangyari un dahil sa sweldo plang eh mas malaki sweldo ni marion kaysa kay ak47. ngayon makakahinga ng malalim na ang suns ang jazz naman baka ma taxhan naman ng malaki bwahahaha :thumbsupsmiley:

 

 

If the swap pushes through, the Jazz will be getting the better player (albeit just barely) so they should get the raw end of having to pay more.

[FF]

lugi ang jazz pagnangyari un dahil sa sweldo plang eh mas malaki sweldo ni marion kaysa kay ak47. ngayon makakahinga ng malalim na ang suns ang jazz naman baka ma taxhan naman ng malaki bwahahaha :thumbsupsmiley:

 

if you're talking about cap space , shawn marion's contract expires at the end of 2008 while kirilenko's contract runs for three more years after this season. so taking on kirilenko really means more problems luxury taxwise for the suns. with that said , the jazz should really trade ak47 ( not unless andrei changes his heart and his game. he should realize that with okur , boozer and williams there simply aren't enough shots to go around. ) to a team in need of andrei's skills. problem is that a lot of teams will definitely lowball the jazz.

Edited September 25, 2007 by FF

[boy anis]

Point well taken but right now the most sensible trade might be the nets and jazz.Right now i think they are looking at AK and jefferson.Both sides will be fairly compensated since the nets need some inside presence and the jazz need a good scorer aside from boozer and williams. what do you think guys?... :thumbsupsmiley:

 

 

If the swap pushes through, the Jazz will be getting the better player (albeit just barely) so they should get the raw end of having to pay more.

 

 

if you're talking about cap space , shawn marion's contract expires at the end of 2008 while kirilenko's contract runs for three more years after this season. so taking on kirilenko really means more problems luxury taxwise for the suns. with that said , the jazz should really trade ak47 ( not unless andrei changes his heart and his game. he should realize that with okur , boozer and williams there simply aren't enough shots to go around. ) to a team in need of andrei's skills. problem is that a lot of teams will definitely lowball the jazz.

[FF]

Point well taken but right now the most sensible trade might be the nets and jazz.Right now i think they are looking at AK and jefferson.Both sides will be fairly compensated since the nets need some inside presence and the jazz need a good scorer aside from boozer and williams. what do you think guys?... :thumbsupsmiley:

 

it's really hard to get fair value for kirilenko. though the numbers may match ... ak47 has a freakish combination of skills ( check out his euroleague stats to see and believe ). but the problem is for andrei to shine is that he has to have a lot of touches which i don't see happening specially with dwill ( the man just admitted he didn't pass the rock that much to andrei last season).

 

so the jazz have to bite the bullet and deal the guy. any team would be lucky to have andrei.

[FF]

Marion for Kirilenko ? here's bill simmons from ESPN Page 2 :

 

1.Marion's agent must be the same guy who convinced David Caruso to leave "NYPD Blue." At some point on his next team, Shawn Marion is going to feel like an idiot for pushing to get traded AWAY from Steve Nash and Mike D'Antoni. That's a mortal lock. Playing for the Suns makes Marion seem better than he actually is. Watch what happens if he gets traded.

 

2. Kirilenko is the only attainable player who represents close to full value for Marion (maybe 85-90 percent). Playing with Nash in a freewheeling style that takes advantage of his considerable skills, he's a mortal lock to turn his career around. Hell, anyone who watched the Warriors-Jazz series last spring knows that Kirilenko is trapped on the wrong team -- he's playing for the wrong coach in the wrong system, and any time the pace changes (like in that Warriors series), he becomes a different player. He's also three years younger than Marion and saves the Suns $3 million this season (money they could spend on a veteran buyout guy this winter). The only drawback other than the fact that he's coming off an atrocious (but explainable) season is Kirilenko's contract, which lasts until 2011 and carries a whopping $34 million price tag over the final two seasons. For a team that's terrified of the luxury tax like the Suns, those are some frightening numbers on paper.

 

3. Every other trade option could potentially k*ll Phoenix's title hopes. Perusing ESPN's Trade Machine, only seven teams could even pull off a realistic offer for Marion: Utah (for Kirilenko), Los Angeles Lakers (for Lamar Odom and a small contract to make the numbers work), Detroit (for Rasheed Wallace and a small contract), Washington (for Antawn Jamison and his expiring deal), Memphis (for Mike Miller, one more young guy and Stro Swift's expiring deal), Houston (for Shane Battier and expiring contracts) and New York (for a package of young players and expiring contracts highlighted by David Lee). You could rule out the last four destinations because Suns fans would freak if Marion was traded for 60-70 cents on the dollar, especially on the heels of the Kurt Thomas trade. I don't see Detroit's going over the luxury tax for a Sheed/Marion swap. The Odom deal would save money and solve chemistry issues, only another problem would be created because Odom has so much trouble staying on the floor -- he's missed 146 games in the past six seasons and played more than 64 games exactly twice.

 

Really, the only logical move for the Suns is Kirilenko. He solves their chemistry issues, replaces Marion's rebounding/shot-blocking/defense and gives them a ton of flexibility with lineups. (With the way AK47 protects the rim, Phoenix could even play him at center in a breakneck, "smallball deluxe" lineup that would have Don Nelson drooling in envy.) I'm in the minority here, but I think Kirilenko would make the All-Star team every February playing with Nash. For some reason, it reminds me of the "Basic Instinct" producers' finally casting Sharon Stone to be in an erotic thriller in 1991. She went 10 years without the right script, then it happened and she immediately became a mega-star. I feel the same way about Kirilenko. He's been trapped doing the wrong movies for the past five years.

 

Over everything else, I hope the Kirilenko-Marion swap happens for one reason: Steve Nash deserves to play in one NBA Finals before the end of his prime, but it won't happen with an unhappy Marion, just like Utah won't make the finals with an unhappy Kirilenko. Rarely does a straight-up deal make this much sense on paper, although Utah should throw in something extra to account for the slight upgrade (as well as the fact that Phoenix gets stuck with those last two years of Kirilenko's deal). I hope this trade happens in some form. For everyone's sake. Even for you, Shawn Marion, the guy who won't know how good he has it until it's too late.

 

(Of course, this is the NBA, so the trade probably won't happen. Alas !

Edited September 27, 2007 by FF

[tanis]

thanks for the welcome FF.

 

my take on the AK saga: I hope he stays put. Due to the way Okur plays and Boozer defends, AK is the perfect complimentary player for the Jazz frontcourt. Close second is Millsap.

 

Deron floated the idea of playing AK as PF, Boozer at C (his natural position while playing for Duke) and sliding Okur to SF. It could work. And many of the jazzfanz have already suggested this idea as early as last season.

 

Another option would be having AK in the second unit ala Ginobili. He will be the focal point of offense with Harp/Millsap, Collins, Brewer, Hart/Price/Almond and/or Fess.

 

By the way .. has anybody followed Fess, his quotable quotes, stories and his play in RMR? Great dude! Hopefully the second coming of Millsap.