bods1000 Posted June 10, 2005 Author Share Posted June 10, 2005 Ola Winos! I was at Nuvo the other night with 20+ colleagues from work celebrating some industry awards we won and as I walked through the door, I pictured Bods and Masi in my mind sitting at a secluded corner enjoying their wine. Anyway I have no effing idea what we drank that night just that there was champagne, white and red wine overflowing. After the first 30mins of drinking, I think my tastebuds just got numb and I couldn't taste a thing anymore except feel the alcohol go to my head. Such a waste of good wine. I'm joinster for the next Wine and Cheese socials, hopefully that happens soon? Cheers big ears! :thumbsupsmiley:<{POST_SNAPBACK}> yes, hopefully soon.......... Quote Link to comment
batibut Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 Hi bods. Can I ask a stupid question? hahaha Anyway, a friend of mine said na lahat ng wine na may bahay sa label masarap. Totoo ba yon? Kasi I gave a friend of mine a bottle of Louis Chatel based on that lang ha. May bahay kasi sa label. I'm not much of a wine drinker. Is that a good wine? Quote Link to comment
agxo3 Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 Ola Winos! I was at Nuvo the other night with 20+ colleagues from work celebrating some industry awards we won and as I walked through the door, I pictured Bods and Masi in my mind sitting at a secluded corner enjoying their wine. Anyway I have no effing idea what we drank that night just that there was champagne, white and red wine overflowing. After the first 30mins of drinking, I think my tastebuds just got numb and I couldn't taste a thing anymore except feel the alcohol go to my head. Such a waste of good wine. I'm joinster for the next Wine and Cheese socials, hopefully that happens soon? Cheers big ears! :thumbsupsmiley:<{POST_SNAPBACK}> You discovered wine truth number 1 - after a bit of drinking, it's hard to tell one wine from another except to distinguish red from white, bubbly from not. Then there are the wines that defy classification anyway - like that bubbly shiraz I had some time ago. Wierd...... Anyway - that leads to wine truth number 2. When you plan on drinking more than one bottle of wine, drink in descending order of expected quality. That is, start with the best, working downwards. Why? As you saw, after a while, you can't really appreciate the subtler qualities of the wine. Exception to wine truth number 2 is my annual bad wine contest - in which we sample wines brought in and rank them for worst of show and worst of breed. Much of that wine goes to fertilize this shrub I have in the back yard that is no longer a shrub but now a full-sized tree! But getting back on-topic - a good wine after all that bad wine is such a treat, it's unbelievable! Quote Link to comment
agxo3 Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 I'm sure there's some high-alti wines that are good - must do some research before buying the next one...after all, the one I had was a real cheapo <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What would you consider high-altitude? I visited some wineries in the hills above the Mendocino coast and found some outstanding wines from grapes grown at anywhere up to 2,000 ft above sea level. Pinot seemed to be the favored varietal in that area. Quote Link to comment
agxo3 Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 Hi bods. Can I ask a stupid question? hahaha Anyway, a friend of mine said na lahat ng wine na may bahay sa label masarap. Totoo ba yon? Kasi I gave a friend of mine a bottle of Louis Chatel based on that lang ha. May bahay kasi sa label. I'm not much of a wine drinker. Is that a good wine?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey that's a good one! I'd never heard THAT before. Does that explain why Bonny Doon's Big House Red is so good for a relatively inexpensive wine? Seriously - no. Good vs. not good has nothing to do with houses on labels, just with good grapes and good winemaking. And let's not forget your own personal tastebuds and what they like, or not. I like some wines that my friend and fellow wino doesn't like, and he is enamored with the cheap wines that I don't even consider buying. But hey! taste is personal and subjective! Quote Link to comment
bods1000 Posted June 10, 2005 Author Share Posted June 10, 2005 Hi bods. Can I ask a stupid question? hahaha Anyway, a friend of mine said na lahat ng wine na may bahay sa label masarap. Totoo ba yon? Kasi I gave a friend of mine a bottle of Louis Chatel based on that lang ha. May bahay kasi sa label. I'm not much of a wine drinker. Is that a good wine?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> hi! Nice to see you here May bahay sa label? What could that be? Are you referring to a Chateau? Well that's the first time I heard that.......... As I've mentioned somewhere earlier in the thread, faced with an array of wines which I don't know about, I ahmm, excuse the expression, finger the bottom In a wine bottle there is an indentation in the bottom and this is called a punt. So I read that the deeper the punt the better the wine and 90% of the time this is correct Price could be a good indicator of quality but at a certain price level, quality is hardly distinguishable except perhaps for those true connoiseurs, like my friend agxo A bottle in the price range of P600 to P800 is I think good enough... hope I helped....I must admit kulang pa din ang knowledge ko hehehe Quote Link to comment
bods1000 Posted June 10, 2005 Author Share Posted June 10, 2005 What would you consider high-altitude? I visited some wineries in the hills above the Mendocino coast and found some outstanding wines from grapes grown at anywhere up to 2,000 ft above sea level. Pinot seemed to be the favored varietal in that area.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> yeah pare - high-altitude na yan...anywhere from 2000 to 3000ft. elevation...what are those wineries in the hills pare - baka we have them here... now pinot...........SIDEWAYS na naman uli how's the pinot brouhaha there? Quote Link to comment
batibut Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 (edited) Hey that's a good one! I'd never heard THAT before. Does that explain why Bonny Doon's Big House Red is so good for a relatively inexpensive wine? Seriously - no. Good vs. not good has nothing to do with houses on labels, just with good grapes and good winemaking. And let's not forget your own personal tastebuds and what they like, or not. I like some wines that my friend and fellow wino doesn't like, and he is enamored with the cheap wines that I don't even consider buying. But hey! taste is personal and subjective!<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hehe sabi niya si bongbong marcos nagsabi nun sa kanya. hahaha ako naman gulliver! thanks. i rarely drink wine. i'm a beer drinker kase. pero i'm thinking of switching ang lake na kasi ng chan ko e. hi! Nice to see you here May bahay sa label? What could that be? Are you referring to a Chateau? Well that's the first time I heard that.......... As I've mentioned somewhere earlier in the thread, faced with an array of wines which I don't know about, I ahmm, excuse the expression, finger the bottom In a wine bottle there is an indentation in the bottom and this is called a punt. So I read that the deeper the punt the better the wine and 90% of the time this is correct Price could be a good indicator of quality but at a certain price level, quality is hardly distinguishable except perhaps for those true connoiseurs, like my friend agxo A bottle in the price range of P600 to P800 is I think good enough... hope I helped....I must admit kulang pa din ang knowledge ko hehehe<{POST_SNAPBACK}> hey bods! i'm a regular lurker here...haha trying to imbibe some "culture." nyaaaaah! i do enjoy the discussion, though i often can not relate. sige next time i need to get a bottle yung ilalim naman pupunteryahin ko. ano naman kaya iisipin sakin nung wineshop clerk...last time bahay ang hinahanap...ngayon naman ilalim ng bote....wahahaha :boo: :boo: happy weekend! Edited June 11, 2005 by batibut Quote Link to comment
masi Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 Hi bods. Can I ask a stupid question? hahaha Anyway, a friend of mine said na lahat ng wine na may bahay sa label masarap. Totoo ba yon? Kasi I gave a friend of mine a bottle of Louis Chatel based on that lang ha. May bahay kasi sa label. I'm not much of a wine drinker. Is that a good wine?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> hmmmm pretty interesting question.. bahay sa label, i would presume chateau or estate wines... para no second guessing, i would suggest you look for the following phrase "appellation controlle" or "denomination controli" or "qualitatswein". these would mean that the process adhere to industry quality standards be it french, italian or german. bad wines cannot be labelled such. of course there are other descriptives such as a grand cru... for a daily drinking wine, a vin de pays (pronounced as van de pay) would be good.. Quote Link to comment
igol ays Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 (edited) i was in THE valley yesterday visiting my daughter who lives in st helena, and to have my eyes checked. i was introduced to karen williams, co-owner of a wine shop specializing in local wines that rarely end up on shelves across the country. since i was set on picking up a few bottles, karen gave me a tour of their cellar. i ended up picking up the following (notice a few of imports ): carter, merlot, truchard vineyard 2002saxon brown, syrah, parmelee hills 2003atrea, old soul red, 2002coto de hayas, fagus, garnacha, angels share special cuvee 2002dinnhoff, reisling, kabinet northelmer dellchen 2002schloss gobelsburg, gruner vetliner, steinsetz 2003macmanis, petite sirah 2004pax, cuvee moriah, sonoma co 2003melka, cj, cabernet sauvignon 2002twenty rows, cabernet sauvignon 2003ottimino, zin 02 van weidlichpavi, pinot grigio 2004 Edited June 12, 2005 by eagleyes Quote Link to comment
bods1000 Posted June 13, 2005 Author Share Posted June 13, 2005 Hehe sabi niya si bongbong marcos nagsabi nun sa kanya. hahaha ako naman gulliver! thanks. i rarely drink wine. i'm a beer drinker kase. pero i'm thinking of switching ang lake na kasi ng chan ko e. hey bods! i'm a regular lurker here...haha trying to imbibe some "culture." nyaaaaah! i do enjoy the discussion, though i often can not relate. sige next time i need to get a bottle yung ilalim naman pupunteryahin ko. ano naman kaya iisipin sakin nung wineshop clerk...last time bahay ang hinahanap...ngayon naman ilalim ng bote....wahahaha :boo: :boo: happy weekend! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> tignan mo 'to - lurker ka pala dito ngayon ka lang nag-participate and I must say that with your first post here - NABULABOG kami It really got us thinking what that "bahay sa label" is :boo: Better check on what masi said - you can't go wrong with wines with such appellations although these wines are a bit pricey... What "culture" are you talking about hehehe....We're just regular guys who happen to love drinking wine and it just so happened that wine carries a certain cultural baggage - so we have to pick up on a few things about it so we could bring the experience of drinking wine to a a much more enjoyable level. It was my intention to disabuse this "snobbish" appeal of wine when I started this thread, but I don't know if I succeeded Yung pagkapa sa ilalim ng bote simplehan lang ha, or else the wine clerk will think of you as some kind of a nut hehehe....Last night at a wine store, the punt of the Knappstein measured at least 3 inches inside :boo: and this is one of the few excellent Aussie wines you'll ever have. But it carries a hefty price tag of P900 whereas the cheap wines have bottoms which are almost level - or almost no punt at all....Syempre sinimplehan ko lang yung pagkapa kasi tinitingnan na ko nung clerk... I was also an exclusive beer drinker before - still does now at gatherings - but beer carries too much calories and one becomes reputedly prone to diabetes if you drink it to excess.... You have to attend any EB's we'll have para makita namin kung malaki na nga ang tyan mo :boo: Have a nice week! Quote Link to comment
batibut Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 hmmmm pretty interesting question.. bahay sa label, i would presume chateau or estate wines... para no second guessing, i would suggest you look for the following phrase "appellation controlle" or "denomination controli" or "qualitatswein". these would mean that the process adhere to industry quality standards be it french, italian or german. bad wines cannot be labelled such. of course there are other descriptives such as a grand cru... for a daily drinking wine, a vin de pays (pronounced as van de pay) would be good..<{POST_SNAPBACK}> I will remember that. Thanks for the tips. Next time may wine tasting sa provencal may macocontribute na ko! hehehe tignan mo 'to - lurker ka pala dito ngayon ka lang nag-participate and I must say that with your first post here - NABULABOG kami It really got us thinking what that "bahay sa label" is :boo: Better check on what masi said - you can't go wrong with wines with such appellations although these wines are a bit pricey... What "culture" are you talking about hehehe....We're just regular guys who happen to love drinking wine and it just so happened that wine carries a certain cultural baggage - so we have to pick up on a few things about it so we could bring the experience of drinking wine to a a much more enjoyable level. It was my intention to disabuse this "snobbish" appeal of wine when I started this thread, but I don't know if I succeeded Yung pagkapa sa ilalim ng bote simplehan lang ha, or else the wine clerk will think of you as some kind of a nut hehehe....Last night at a wine store, the punt of the Knappstein measured at least 3 inches inside :boo: and this is one of the few excellent Aussie wines you'll ever have. But it carries a hefty price tag of P900 whereas the cheap wines have bottoms which are almost level - or almost no punt at all....Syempre sinimplehan ko lang yung pagkapa kasi tinitingnan na ko nung clerk... I was also an exclusive beer drinker before - still does now at gatherings - but beer carries too much calories and one becomes reputedly prone to diabetes if you drink it to excess.... You have to attend any EB's we'll have para makita namin kung malaki na nga ang tyan mo :boo: Have a nice week! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sige lilinawin ko kay Wyn kung ano ba yung bahay. The way I understood it, kahit anong bahay so it can be a picture of a cottage or a mansion or whatever. Basta may bahay ok daw. Thanks again. Quote Link to comment
missmanners Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 hello fellow wine-drinkers! when's the next wine eb? i've been backreading and enjoying the trade of information. it's so nice to hear from people who know what goes behind those things they enjoy. i am, admittedly, rather clueless... and follow the "if it tastes good, then it must be good" mantra. so to know the itty bitty details is always very interesting. keep em' coming. Quote Link to comment
igol ays Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 As I've mentioned somewhere earlier in the thread, faced with an array of wines which I don't know about, I ahmm, excuse the expression, finger the bottom In a wine bottle there is an indentation in the bottom and this is called a punt. So I read that the deeper the punt the better the wine and 90% of the time this is correct <{POST_SNAPBACK}> most people don't agree on the reason for punts on wine bottles. the most common explanations being: 1. has historical glass blowing technique significance2. makes the bottle less likely to topple over3. serves to strengthen the bottle, particularly in case of sparkling wine4. they can make bigger bottles for same amount of wine5. for sediments6. help to sell wine to people who believe that a deep punt is an indicator of a high quality wine check out alt.food.wine punt faq: http://pweb.netcom.com/~lachenm/puntFAQ.html Quote Link to comment
agxo3 Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 para no second guessing, i would suggest you look for the following phrase "appellation controlle" or "denomination controli" or "qualitatswein". these would mean that the process adhere to industry quality standards be it french, italian or german. bad wines cannot be labelled such. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not really true. What "appellation controlle" or "denomination controli" really means is that the wines carry a regional appellation. A Bodeaux is from the Bordeaux region of France ONLY. A Champagne is ONLY from the Champagne region of France - from Spain it's a "cava", from other places it's a "sparkling wine". A Chianti is from - you guess it!, the Chianti region in Italy. That's different from the way American, Australian, New Zealand and other New World wines are marked, which is by varietal - cabernet sauvignon, suavignon blanc, chardonnay, etc. A Bordeaux is typically a cabernet sauvignon, cabernet franc, or merlot, or a blend of some or all. A Burgundy is pinot noir (red) or chardonnay (white). Chablis is chardonnay. Vouvray is chenin blanc. The Rhone varietals are grenache, syrah, mourvedre. Loire Valley wines are either chenin blanc or semillon. Interestingly enough, the US now has what's called an AVA - American Viticulture Appellation - similar tothe French system. This was driven by some Napa Valley wineries that were upset with Central Valley (Fresno. Modesto, Lodi) wineries putting "Napa Valley" somewhere on the label to try to fool the unwary consumer into thinking these were Napa Valley wines. This from a local industry that has a couple of wineries producing "California champagne" in defiance of the French appellation laws. As for "houses" on lables - lots of French wines carry a drawing of a house, chateau or castle on the label. Many are made by "chateaux" or estates and carry the name of the state. Hence the drawing of the house (or manor, or chateaux, or castle) that stands on the estate. Has nothing to do with quality. Bonny Doon (Santa Cruz Mountains, just south of where I live) also has a wine with a house on the label - Big House Red. It's a blend, varies from year to year, but is blended for consistency and quality. Relatively inexpensive, drink now (doesn't get appreciably better with age). The "Big House" is a prison! :cool: Quote Link to comment
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