Poll: The Best And Worst Of Filipino Presidents

[rooster69ph]

"Marcos was a hero turned crook" - Lee Kuan Yew

 

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1309&dat=20000911&id=SFNIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=WxQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2078,99394&hl=en

[rooster69ph]

May masama bang naidulot ang Martial Law?

 

BBM : Yes

[punkee]

marcos won the 1986 elections? really? I was there when comelec personnel walked out when the funny things started to happen.

 

where were you?

[rooster69ph]

marcos won the 1986 elections? really? I was there when comelec personnel walked out when the funny things started to happen.

 

where were you?

 

Let us also not forget the report made by the International Observer Delegation regarding the said election.

[Ryuji_tanaka]

I was there in EDSA 1986, and I believe that aiding the "yellow army" was our biggest mistake as a people.

 

Best: Macoy

Worst: Aquino, both the Queen of Darkness and the Panot Special Adult.

 

Ok, so Macoy did a lot of stuff that left a bad taste in my mouth, but he did a lot of good as well. Compared to those who came after him, who did a lot of evil, and almost no good. Its a case of shades of grey. But if we get a Lee Kwan Yew, or if Duterte runs, wins, and cleans the sh*t out of this godforsaken hellhole, I might reconsider that item under "best".

Edited October 31, 2015 by Ryuji_tanaka

[rooster69ph]

I find this an interesting read from Raissa Robles

 

 

In the absence of an extensive history covering the Marcos regime, the Marcos family was able to hawk the following myths to new voters:

1.That Martial law was a “benevolent dictatorship”

2.That there were no human rights abuses during the period. As Senator Bongbong Marcos said, the alleged victims are only after money.

3.That the economy boomed under Marcos

4.That Marcos was the greatest president since he built the most number of infrastructure, notably the Cultural Center, Folk Arts Theater, Film Center, Heart Center, Kidney Center, Lung Center and San Juanico Bridge. You can see this particular claim all over the social networking sites Facebook and Youtube.

I’ll take these up now one by one.

Marcos called his regime a “benevolent dictatorship”, a “smiling Martial Law”. The reality was that fear prevailed throughout the country and the smile was grotesque.

In the Catholic school which I attended, a directive came down from the nuns after Martial Law was declared. Henceforth, during lunchtime, we were banned from eating three or more to a table. Because that would be a form of “illegal assembly.”

What do girls not even in their teens know about subversion? I had no idea what it meant at that time.

But that was how much Marcos controlled the population.

The military and the police could also pick up anybody at will on the street or right in their homes.

And one had to be very careful about making jokes about the Marcoses and the “New Society” in public.

It was really only after the Marcoses fell that Filipinos got to know the full horror of his New Society. There were at least 10,000 human rights victims who were killed, or were tortured and survived.

Just to give a rough calculation of how bad the human rights situation was and the extent of dissent against his New Society – for every month that Marcos held on as a dictator while his wife, Human Settlements Minister Imelda Marcos, indulged in shopping sprees abroad, 700 human rights victims would be added to the roster.

Or for each day he was in power as dictator, there were 23 new victims. Or almost every hour of the 14 years he remained a dictator, nearly one citizen was killed or tortured.

Even the beautiful Governor of Ilocos Norte, Imee Marcos, has blood on her hands. A student from Mapua named Archimedes Trajano once questioned her – whether the daughter of the President had to head the Kabataang Barangay.

Trajano was later found dead. Investigators claimed he died in a frat rumble.

Trajano’s mother filed a lawsuit in the US against Imee Marcos. The mother won the lawsuit.

Although I was never an activist I knew arrests were going on, because my father, who was a UP Law Professor, played a role in getting some of them out of jail. One was Gerry Barican. I’m not sure if another was Herminio Sonny Coloma. Another was someone who I believe would have made my father turn in his grave today. His name was Gary Olivar – President Gloria Arroyo’s propagandist.

This is interesting. All three became presidential spokesmen.

I can laugh about this now. But at that time, my father’s actions had serious consequences for my family. The Bureau of Internal Revenue suddenly told my father they could not believe he was that poor. If only the BIR had conducted a home visit, it would clarify what they thought was his unexplained poverty.

The BIR kept hounding him for high tax payments. In desperation, my mother turned to a neighbor employed at the BIR. He told her that the assessment for that year would be settled provided she paid something “for the boys”.

Every time that happened, my mother had to take it out of our food budget. I remember there were times that we were able to eat only because a customer of my mom, who sewed dresses, would suddenly pay her.

And so, even though I wasn’t an activist, I knew first-hand the consequences of dissent against Marcos.

And that’s not all. Marcos and his in-laws, the Romualdezes, had nearly total control of Philippine media – the TV, Radio and newspapers.

The Marcos-Romualdez-controlled media did not show the true extent of the Mindanao wars – the wars when Nur Misuari, Hashim Salamat and Murad Ebrahim fought as one under the banner of the Moro National Liberation Front.

An estimated 60,000 to 80,000 civilians and rebels died in Mindanao between 1972 and 1976. Over one million residents fled.

Marcos redrew the southern Philippine map, wrenched Palawan away from Mindanao, partitioned the south, and gave these to his various military commanders to govern.

Marcos’ actions in Mindanao and the ignorance of the people of Luzon about these, would fuel mistrust between the two populations and add to the misunderstanding of why the Muslim south wants autonomy.

Let me go now to Marcos’ “achievements” during Martial Law. It is true that he built those buildings and that bridge in the 20 years he was in power – from December 30, 1965 to February 25, 1986.

But at what cost? And how much was his commission? His tongpats?

When he became president in 1965, the Philippine foreign debt was less than US$1 billion. By the time he and his family fled, this had ballooned to US$27 billion – a nearly US$26 billion increase. That’s over US$1 billion per year.

The Presidential Commission on Good Government that was formed in 1986 estimated that the Marcoses had managed to loot up to US$10 billion. That’s 40% of what his regime borrowed.

But those who love him never talk about the foreign debt his government left behind. Nor do they talk about one other key achievement of his governance – the substantial devaluation of the Philippine peso.

When Marcos was elected in 1965 on the promise that “This nation will be great again”, the value of the peso was P3.90 to the dollar.

When he proclaimed Martial Law in order to build a New Society in 1972, the peso had sunk to P6.77 per dollar. When Senator Benigno Ninoy Aquino was assassinated in 1983, the peso plummeted to P11 per dollar. And when the Marcoses fled in 1986, it was P20 per dollar.

Those are the real achievements of Marcos – a US$25 billion increase in foreign debt; a nosediving peso from P3.90 to P20; and possibly US$20 billion in payoffs.

On top of that, there is the grinding poverty symbolized by Manila’s Smokey Mountain and the export of Filipinos as slave labor to the Middle East.

Please consider this: According to the 2003 judgment issued by former Supreme Court chief Justice Renato Corona on Civil Case 0141 or the civil forfeiture case against the Marcoses’ Net Worth was US$957,487.75 or under ONE MILLION DOLLARS when they fled in 1986.

So how do the Marcoses even account for the US$356 million which the Swiss government unilaterally froze in 1986 and later gave back to the Philippine government with interest?

In addition, how does Imelda Marcos account for her three jewelry collections worth a combined US$4 million? Last month, one collection was awarded to the Philippine government. But last week, Senator Bongbong Marcos submitted an appeal to have the decision reversed, saying the government never specified this particular collection in its forfeiture suit.

 

 

Edited November 7, 2015 by FleurDeLune

[FleurDeLune]

I put this thread back so as everyone can still share their stuff/views/ideas. I have already deleted some irrelevant posts and I am sure everybody (especially the concerned posters) will seriously take heed the Forum rules. Enjoy.

[Google]

medyo mahirap i determine...

 

I believe Marcos is the best... he had developed the country to one of the best in asia that time.... sayang lang at nasilaw ng power and money.

 

worst, medyo madami akong options:

 

Cory - ano ba nagawa? lalo atang nabaon sa utang ang bansa natin nun.... ang nakinabang ay mga kamaganak and mga kaibigan.

GMA - ok sana, pero nasakim sa kapangyarihan.

Pnoy - tingin ko, ito ang pinakamalala... Hindi nakikinig sa constituents, naglabasan lahat ng problema sa DOTC, sa DAP, lumala ang traffic (although hindi nya talaga kasalanan ito, kulang talaga sa planning ang mga leaders natin), lalong nagkaloko loko ang MRT, maski yung diskarte sa Luneta crisis nun di nahawakang mabuti, lalong nagkulang ang power supply lalo na sa mindanao (although again, hindi nya lahat kasalanan ito...).

[Ryuji_tanaka]

^ You forgot the Playgirls issue and the laglag bala scam.

[Edmund Dantes]

Easily APO wins in both categories! The best and the worst lol.

 

Kahit si Bongbong Marcos inamin na me masamang naging dulot ang Martial law. And yes sa administrasyon nya nagumpisa magkaroon ng mga squatter. Nga lang di rin maikakaila na napakalaki yung contribution ng administration nya sa modern infrastructure pa lang at urban planning. Ilang national highways, national high schools, state universities, hospitals nagawa under his leadership. We gotta swallow both the good and the bad. Naging masama man sya, maraming probinsya siguro wala pa din kuryente kung di dahil sa kanya. Kung si Stalin nga na talagang pinagtratrabaho mga russians hangang mamatay sa gutom, tinuturing na bayani ng ilan. Kasi naging heavily industrialized ang russia, naging superpower, at di pa nasakop ng mga nazi.

 

The worst for being worst para sakin ay si Erap. Wala ng iba!

 

1. Bobo na corrupt pa

2. Makamasa ba yung paboran mo si Pareng Danding kesa sa mga magsasaka? Si Pareng Lucio kesa sa empleyado ng PAL? Dahil lang nagkakamay kumain at sinusubuan batang gusgusin makamasa na?

3. Walang hiya at butangero. Akala nasa action movie sya "huwag nyo akong subukan".

4. Imbes pabahay sa mahihirap, pabahay para sa mga babae

5. The mere fact na lang na di man lang nagtagal sa pwesto reflects his incompetence.

6. The only president ever convicted of plunder.

[Ryuji_tanaka]

Easily APO wins in both categories! The best and the worst lol.

 

Kahit si Bongbong Marcos inamin na me masamang naging dulot ang Martial law. And yes sa administrasyon nya nagumpisa magkaroon ng mga squatter. Nga lang di rin maikakaila na napakalaki yung contribution ng administration nya sa modern infrastructure pa lang at urban planning. Ilang national highways, national high schools, state universities, hospitals nagawa under his leadership. We gotta swallow both the good and the bad. Naging masama man sya, maraming probinsya siguro wala pa din kuryente kung di dahil sa kanya. Kung si Stalin nga na talagang pinagtratrabaho mga russians hangang mamatay sa gutom, tinuturing na bayani ng ilan. Kasi naging heavily industrialized ang russia, naging superpower, at di pa nasakop ng mga nazi.

 

The worst for being worst para sakin ay si Erap. Wala ng iba!

 

1. Bobo na corrupt pa

2. Makamasa ba yung paboran mo si Pareng Danding kesa sa mga magsasaka? Si Pareng Lucio kesa sa empleyado ng PAL? Dahil lang nagkakamay kumain at sinusubuan batang gusgusin makamasa na?

3. Walang hiya at butangero. Akala nasa action movie sya "huwag nyo akong subukan".

4. Imbes pabahay sa mahihirap, pabahay para sa mga babae

5. The mere fact na lang na di man lang nagtagal sa pwesto reflects his incompetence.

6. The only president ever convicted of plunder.

Sounds like (except for 4 [walang gustong pumatol] and 6 [hope the next administration looks into it]) a list of disachivements for the Mongoloid in the Palace.

[Edmund Dantes]

Sounds like (except for 4 [walang gustong pumatol] and 6 [hope the next administration looks into it]) a list of disachivements for the Mongoloid in the Palace.

 

Narcissistic, corrupt, and truly a moron. Palibhasa action star! How could Erap not be the worst president ever? Maganda actually yun setup ni Ramos. Stable noon currency natin. Within 2 years pinabagsak ni Erap ang piso to 55 pesos = 1 dollar. Nawalan tiwala maraming investors, bukod pa dyan sunod sunod kontrobersiya sa administrasyon nya hangang pumutok na jueteng gate.

 

FPJ easily would fall under this category had he been president. Oh do not get me wrong I am an FPJ nerd. Pero hindi ako ganun katanga para iboto sya pagkapresidente. He would not even be a president. Because his advisers will be the one running this country

[haroots2]

Not many are vocal about Ramos but he is as corrupt as Marcos, GMA and the rest. Wala lang gustong kumaso sa kanya pero malaki rin ang kinurakot niyan. Number one is the Centennial Park sa Pampanga, malaki ang nabulsa nila ni Doy Laurel. A multi million pesos project pero ano na ngayon? Pinagbebeta din niya yung mga assets ng govt. and di mo alam kung saan napunta yung pera. Ang maganda lang ata naidulot sa pagbenta any yung Fort Bonifacio kasi napaunlad ng mga private inventors into BGC. Another shady deals are IPP contracts. Source of income din niya yung PAGCOR and Duty Free Phil.

 

Kaya hanggang ngayon marami pa ring bilib kay Marcos dahil puro palpak ang mga sumunod sa kanya. Kung lahat natuto sa mga pagkakamali ni Marcos e di sana maunlad na tayo ngayon.

 

Kaya I agree on the survey na si Marcos ang best and the worst president. Depende kung which side ang naranasan mo sa regime niya.

Edited November 10, 2015 by haroots2

[Edmund Dantes]

Not many are vocal about Ramos but he is as corrupt as Marcos, GMA and the rest. Wala lang gustong kumaso sa kanya pero malaki rin ang kinurakot niyan. Number one is the Centennial Park sa Pampanga, malaki ang nabulsa nila ni Doy Laurel. A multi million pesos project pero ano na ngayon? Pinagbebeta din niya yung mga assets ng govt. and di mo alam kung saan napunta yung pera. Ang maganda lang ata naidulot sa pagbenta any yung Fort Bonifacio kasi napaunlad ng mga private inventors into BGC. Another shady deals are IPP contracts. Source of income din niya yung PAGCOR and Duty Free Phil.

 

Kaya hanggang ngayon marami pa ring bilib kay Marcos dahil puro palpak ang mga sumunod sa kanya. Kung lahat natuto sa mga pagkakamali ni Marcos e di sana maunlad na tayo ngayon.

 

Kaya I agree on the survey na si Marcos ang best and the worst president. Depende kung which side ang naranasan mo sa regime niya.

 

Tama, ang dami dami daming pagkakataon sana mga sumunod patunayan na they can do better than Marcos. Na bigay satin totoong demokrasya at kaunlaran. Pero wala! Lahat sisi lang kay Marcos.

 

Ang mga kalsada na gawa nung panahon ni Marcos hangang ngayon ayus pa! Napapakinabangan pa. Pero yung mga itinayo pahanon ni Cory sumunod ilang ulan lang lubak lubak na. Pano, maanumalya mga kontrata kaya bumawi mga contractors sa materiales.

[darksoulriver]

 

Tama, ang dami dami daming pagkakataon sana mga sumunod patunayan na they can do better than Marcos. Na bigay satin totoong demokrasya at kaunlaran. Pero wala! Lahat sisi lang kay Marcos.

 

Ang mga kalsada na gawa nung panahon ni Marcos hangang ngayon ayus pa! Napapakinabangan pa. Pero yung mga itinayo pahanon ni Cory sumunod ilang ulan lang lubak lubak na. Pano, maanumalya mga kontrata kaya bumawi mga contractors sa materiales.

 

eh yung mga pinagawa ng DSWD na bahay dun sa mga Yolanda victims ayun hindi mapakinabangan... mas mtibay pa yung mga napagawa ng mga NGO's

 

sa tagal ng LRT 1 ni hindi naisipang pahabain ito ng mabuti para mdaming mas mkinabang nadagdag isang estasyon lng.