camiar Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 who are you kidding? "It is our duty to fight and secure the islands thru non-violent methods." A non-violent fight? A peaceful war? Answer the question directly: Will you say that it is no longer your duty to fight to defend our territory because it is futile against the almighty Chinese? 1 Quote Link to comment
dos8dos Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) picked up this line from asian defense news "a country with weak defense is at the mercy of its aggressor" Edited July 22, 2011 by dos8dos Quote Link to comment
2XS Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 "It is our duty to fight and secure the islands thru non-violent methods." Duty to fight tapos thru non-violent methods Teka lang diba fight is a violent thing? Nakakatuwa naman yan, talk about an oxymoron. Quote Link to comment
camiar Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 (edited) I don't know if you're playing stupid or really stupid.. Ito na para hindi ka na mahirapan.. I never said that we should sit idle and let the Chinese occupy the islands. It is our duty to fight and secure the islands thru non-violent methods. Risking an all-out war by engaging in skirmishes against a foe a thousand times stronger is reckless, blind patriotism, suicidal and stupidity on so many levels. Camiar, I already refuted and replied to all of your comments point by point, if this question is all you can muster then we are done here. who are you kidding? "It is our duty to fight and secure the islands thru non-violent methods." A non-violent fight? A peaceful war? Answer the question directly: Will you say that it is no longer your duty to fight to defend our territory because it is futile against the almighty Chinese? @ red60: I knew you can’t answer the question because you painted yourself into a corner. Just like inverbrass. Anyway, I’ll answer the question for you: No matter how weak we are militarily, it is our duty to defend our country against the aggressors. When called to duty, you can’t argue that fighting a stronger enemy is blind patriotism, reckless bravery, stupidity, or suicidal -- it is a duty you must accept. So instead of whining about your weakness and your fear of the Chinese, just keep quiet about it and do something to correct the situation. But instead, you and inverbrass just love to denigrate our military’s capability. You do it with so much relish, even questioning the sanity of those who would stand up to the Chinese aggressor. You and inverbrass self-righteously claim that your defeatist mindset is just being “realist”. Bakit? “Realist” na ba ang tawag ngayon sa mga walang bayag? Jopoc was right when he said:lets support our military rather than be pessimistic. kung takot kang lumaban, suportahan mo na lang mga kababayan mo. ang problema kasi ng iba sa atin, pakitaan lang ng malakas na armas, umiihi na sa pantalon. Edited July 23, 2011 by camiar Quote Link to comment
red60 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 (edited) @ red60: I knew you can't answer the question because you painted yourself into a corner. Just like inverbrass. Anyway, I'll answer the question for you: No matter how weak we are militarily, it is our duty to defend our country against the aggressors. When called to duty, you can't argue that fighting a stronger enemy is blind patriotism, reckless bravery, stupidity, or suicidal -- it is a duty you must accept. So instead of whining about your weakness and your fear of the Chinese, just keep quiet about it and do something to correct the situation. But instead, you and inverbrass just love to denigrate our military's capability. You do it with so much relish, even questioning the sanity of those who would stand up to the Chinese aggressor. You and inverbrass self-righteously claim that your defeatist mindset is just being "realist". Bakit? "Realist" na ba ang tawag ngayon sa mga walang bayag? Jopoc was right when he said: @ Camiar In case you haven't noticed I already directly answered your question several times and you just reiterated what I said. Didn't I say it was our duty to fight and secure the islands? You've been wobbly ever since we started and you can't even defend your inference on the Korean and Falklands War. You even changed your stand and conceded that we can't win against China. The discussion is not about "our willingness to fight for the country" but rather "if the Philippines is capable of engaging China in Spartly Islands". It's not really surprising that you're starting to deviate from our discussion. It often happens when you have nothing sensible to say about the subject matter. I refuted your statements and all I see here is a man desperate of salvaging what's left of his pride. Edited July 23, 2011 by red60 Quote Link to comment
KillTheDEVIL Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 (edited) Armed conflict is not anymore an option at present picked up this line from asian defense news "a country with weak defense is at the mercy of its aggressor" Of course that's right. That's why during the time of Christ a lot of weaker countries became vassals to the mighty ones Edited August 2, 2011 by TheSmilingBandit Quote Link to comment
dominoneedsu Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 (edited) i observed that instead of contributingexciting and good ideas on this forum,in south china sea/west philippine sea. Some of usFilipinos, tend to fight, insult each other. Ehkung sa forum pa lang d tau maging isa against a commonand superior enemy...paano tau lalaban? one good senatorwrote in a forum..na kaya wala respeto sa atin ang china,dahil masyado tayong fractured and divided as a nation.eh, bill about implementing family planning to restrictour high birth rate,d natin kaya ipasa, how much morea common voice to defeat china? each of us has it's own idea..lets respect it. good english or hinde...good idea or hinde...give him/hera chance to express himself.. Edited July 24, 2011 by dominoneedsu 1 Quote Link to comment
lomex32 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 This is very true Filipinos in the Philippines, since we do not have any adjacent neighboring country we tend to fight with each otherPerhaps engaging a war with another country will bind us all Filipinos together i observed that instead of contributingexciting and good ideas on this forum,in south china sea/west philippine sea. Some of usFilipinos, tend to fight, insult each other. Ehkung sa forum pa lang d tau maging isa against a commonand superior enemy...paano tau lalaban? one good senatorwrote in a forum..na kaya wala respeto sa atin ang china,dahil masyado tayong fractured and divided as a nation.eh, bill about implementing family planning to restrictour high birth rate,d natin kaya ipasa, how much morea common voice to defeat china? each of us has it's own idea..lets respect it. good english or hinde...good idea or hinde...give him/hera chance to express himself.. Quote Link to comment
SaintPeter5858 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 (edited) It's a good thing that there are now 42 Filipinos permanently residing in Pag-asa island of the Spratlys i observed that instead of contributingexciting and good ideas on this forum,in south china sea/west philippine sea. Some of usFilipinos, tend to fight, insult each other. Ehkung sa forum pa lang d tau maging isa against a commonand superior enemy...paano tau lalaban? one good senatorwrote in a forum..na kaya wala respeto sa atin ang china,dahil masyado tayong fractured and divided as a nation.eh, bill about implementing family planning to restrictour high birth rate,d natin kaya ipasa, how much morea common voice to defeat china? each of us has it's own idea..lets respect it. good english or hinde...good idea or hinde...give him/hera chance to express himself.. We to have to admit that we will never be united at this point in time. Those who are well-versed with Phil history can attest to this. Remember Galut? Our Igorot brother who helped the Americans in locating the position of Gen. Luna somewhere in tirad Pass which led to the death of the latter. Besides a lot of Filipinos in the provinces could not and do not want to speak Tagalog. Language alone is already a barrier "It is our duty to fight and secure the islands thru non-violent methods." Duty to fight tapos thru non-violent methods Teka lang diba fight is a violent thing? Nakakatuwa naman yan, talk about an oxymoron. Yeah, an oxymoron. But that was 4 decades ago. Now, fighting can be in spirit or by psycho warfare. Intelligent people always use diplomacy as the best immediate solution to any problem Edited July 27, 2011 by TheSmilingBandit Quote Link to comment
red60 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Yeah, an oxymoron. But that was 4 decades ago. Now, fighting can be in spirit or by psycho warfare. Intelligent people always use diplomacy as the best immediate solution to any problem Technically its no longer an oxymoron because fighting is not synonymous to violence. Quote Link to comment
jopoc Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Technically its no longer an oxymoron because fighting is not synonymous to violence. i agree. like the motto of ateneo.... ONE BIG FIGHT.... but they are not asking for violence. Quote Link to comment
camiar Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 what is this? Are you guys trying to redefine the word "fight" the way you redefined "realist"? "...fighting is not synonymous to violence"...? the last time I checked the Thesaurus, the synonyms of "fight" are all violent or forceful actions. a Marine gunnery sergeant once told off those who try to philosophize their way out of their duty to fight for the country, saying: "shut up, suck it up, and do your job." Quote Link to comment
laging_nagmamahal Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 what is this? Are you guys trying to redefine the word "fight" the way you redefined "realist"? "...fighting is not synonymous to violence"...? the last time I checked the Thesaurus, the synonyms of "fight" are all violent or forceful actions. a Marine gunnery sergeant once told off those who try to philosophize their way out of their duty to fight for the country, saying: "shut up, suck it up, and do your job." My apologies, but I failed to resist the temptation to reply. The Thesaurus also defines fight n. as contest, and fight v. dispute - both of which may suggest violence in the same way that they may also suggest peaceful confrontation. Most, if not all, of Mahatma Gandhi's biographies describe his efforts as a fight for freedom, independence, justice and so many other values through non-violence. Quote Link to comment
red60 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 (edited) My apologies, but I failed to resist the temptation to reply. The Thesaurus also defines fight n. as contest, and fight v. dispute - both of which may suggest violence in the same way that they may also suggest peaceful confrontation. Most, if not all, of Mahatma Gandhi's biographies describe his efforts as a fight for freedom, independence, justice and so many other values through non-violence. Correct. Fight is also used extensively in the medical field. "Fight against cancer, AIDS, Tuberculosis ..." Edited July 29, 2011 by red60 Quote Link to comment
camiar Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 (edited) ^^^ We are talking about military strength and the duty to defend our country from agressors. When you talk about how the Chinese will sink all our ships, shoot down all our planes, and make mincemeat of all our soldiers, that is all about physical, violent and deadly fight. We are talking about a shooting war! But when I asked what would you do if you are called to duty to face the Chinese agressors, you suddenly switch to fight against cancer, AIDS, and TB? WTF are you talking about? Try answering this question again: Will you say that it is no longer your duty to fight to defend our territory because it is futile against the almighty Chinese? Edited July 31, 2011 by camiar Quote Link to comment
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