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[anlaahoy]

AKO DI KO MAPRAKTIS EH...white belt lang ako eh...kaya wag nyo na akong praktisin...baka ako magulpi

[smart-ass]

tnx for the info corkscrew.... but I read somewhere that the internal style

bagua zhang ( correct spelling ba? ) is both suitable for frail as well as

stocky body built....and aikido is best suited for lean....

[Alphamale-X]

OK LANG SIR, WE ARE PRACTISING YAWYAN KASAMA SI ESME SA MAKATI ARDIGMA EVERY SAT 10-12 AM

AM 40'S NA.....EXERCISE AT THE SAME TIME SELF DEFENSE

INGGIT AKO SA MGA ANAK KO .... VARSITY NG TAEKWONDO SA UST

TRY MO MUNA SIR BAKA KAYA PA, KINAUSAP KO TRAINER KO NA WAG MASYADO TRAINING KASI BAKA MAHIRAPAN KAMI

OK NAMAN

 

Hi The humps!

 

Saan po ba yung address nyan..or better do you have their fone number? pa post naman po ..tnx in advanced

[SnobbySnak]

Hi All. Just wanted to put out that if anyone is interested in a Wing Chun Dummy, I've got a friend who makes good ones. It took awhile for him to get the design right, but he finally got it and I finally have one. Specs are right on.

 

I PM'd Corkscrew a couple of times regarding Wing Chun and I guess I was one of the only guess in Manila who practice this art. I'm sure there are others, but couldn't find them...Oh well...

 

Dummy are great quality and you don't have to pay those high prices you see on the internet...

 

Email at snobbysnak@yahoo.com for a quicker response...

[Corkscrew]

tnx for the info corkscrew.... but I read somewhere that the internal style

bagua zhang ( correct spelling ba? ) is both suitable for frail as well as

stocky body built....and aikido is best suited for lean....

 

Hi Smartass,

 

Baguazhang, Bagua zhang, Pakuachang, Pakua chang, Bagua or Pakua. Thats all correct. But the original name of the art prior to being renamed was "Zhang Zhuan" or Turning Palms. Depending on which historian you're going to listen to - the origins are sketchy. But most agree that it was born only 150 years ago. The person being attributed its creation is named Dong Hai Chuan (several spellings of the same name), he taught 5 main students. Each was already a master at some other Chinese martial art. Only the 6th student (and that is under debate), was a complete beginner. The funny thing is that he taught each one differently. He also encouraged each one to develop Bagua differently based on their previous martial mastery. So today, barring the Wu Shu versions of Bagua... there are at least 5 versions, named after these original 5 students: Cheng Style, Yin Style, Song Style, Liu Style and Ma Style. After that, other people improved on these, thus were born Sun Style, Liang Len Pu Style & Gao Style. Then there are also places that claim to have had Bagua for centuries, like Emei Style, Wu Dang Style, etc. As you can see... there's quite a bit, and its confusing.

 

Please take note: NONE OF THESE STYLES LOOK ALIKE. They don't even fight alike. One of the styles is completely linear in movement. They don't even practice circle walking, which is common to other Bagua schools. And yet - it is a legitimate school of Bagua. Another school tends to use throwing & chin na. Yet another likes to slap its opponents' to death - literally. No other martial art on the planet has so much variation in forms or methods of training as Bagua. Even the understanding of how things are internal is as varied. It is the most confusing martial art to discuss accurately because of the diversity of styles and very nature of the style itself.

 

Baguazhang is founded on the principles of the I Ching (rather, the fighting art came first - then was associated with the I Ching). The I Ching is the "Book of Change". Everything changes in Bagua.

 

So to go back to the point: the different bagua styles tend to favor specific body types too. The one I'm studying, is good for big people (thats why it was given to me in the first place). Yin Fu Style - which is the linear one, is best for the lean body. Just my opinion tho - not written on stone.

 

 

I'll pass commenting on aikido. ;D

[ken_2_10_nah]

tnx for the info corkscrew.... but I read somewhere that the internal style

bagua zhang ( correct spelling ba? ) is both suitable for frail as well as

stocky body built....and aikido is best suited for lean....

 

The founder of Aikido (Ueshiba Morihei O-Sensei) was about 5'3" and weighed about 180 pounds (muscle, not fat). That's not exactly lean...

[The Humps]

Hi The humps!

 

Saan po ba yung address nyan..or better do you have their fone number? pa post naman po ..tnx in advanced

 

the exact address is 4008 yague st. near corner pasong tamo makati. or u can check their website at www.yaw-yan.com

[smart-ass]

thanks for the enlightening info on bagua zhang and aikido...so it's safe to say...

when it comes to combat arts, you are what you practice!

[leloup]

Corkscrew,

 

Kindly explain to me what is Sanshou and what is its difference between the other style you discussed? I used to train with Ronald Bingwaoel, a former RP Sanshou team, but he wasn't able to fully explain the style to me. He's very light on his feet, despite of his size. And he attribute this to his Sanshou training in China.

[Alphamale-X]

the exact address is 4008 yague st. near corner pasong tamo makati. or u can check their website at www.yaw-yan.com

 

tnx bro! :cool:

[Corkscrew]

Corkscrew,

Kindly explain to me what is Sanshou and what is its difference between the other style you discussed? I used to train with Ronald Bingwaoel, a former RP Sanshou team, but he wasn't able to fully explain the style to me. He's very light on his feet, despite of his size. And he attribute this to his Sanshou training in China.

 

Hi Leloup,

 

The word San shou is used in three ways that I know of:

 

1) It relates to a type of Tournament specifically for Chinese Martial Arts. Thus the word would be used in a sentence as "San Shou Tournaments". This is a venue for any Chinese Martial Arts style to fight in. In the ancient days of China, deaths in a San Shou tournament was commonplace. Crippling - even more common.

 

2) It also is used to refer to the kind of fighting used in these tournaments. As you know, every kind of tournament has its own rules & regulations. Modern or Contemporary San Shou tournaments are held with the fighters wearing gloves. No grappling (the modern definition applies) happens since you can't really grab. But you are allowed to "hold" on to the opponent and throw him down to the ground. You cannot strike, apply strangulation techniques, locks of any kind (leglock, hiplock, kneelock, anklelock, elbowlock, wristlock, etc. etc.) are not allowed, to an opponent already down on the ground. This fighting method called "San Shou" was born out of the Tournament, which is centuries old in China.

 

3) It refers to a specific martial art. But the term San Shou is incomplete by itself. A more appropriate term would be San Shou Kiao Jiao (or San Shou Shuai Chiao). The additional terms of "Kiao Jiao" literally translates to "Fast Wrestling". It is not the western idea of wrestling, but rather the Chinese notion of it - which is Chin na (to sieze or grab the opponent). The San Shou Kiao Jiao - predates even Jujitsu... while not one of the 5 oldest Chinese martial arts.

 

**I was able to purchase a book from Squadron Shop many years ago w/c had pictographs of techniques from San Shou Kiao Jiao. I was surprised to find the full complement of Judo throws (all 64 of them were there in the book). There were variations to the techniques, but they're all there anyways. Some research into Brazilian Jujitsyu also revealed their throws also present in the book. In short, it is likely that the Japanese borrowed their techniques from San Shou Kiao Jiao and made it their own... possibly improving on it.

 

I've not met Mr Ronald Bingwaoel. I didn't even know there was an RP Team? But there are San Shou tournaments in Binondo. Its a yearly event as I understand. I've met a few fighters. Very impressive style.

 

I'd studied Kiao Jiao for a while, but didn't delve into it too much. Sorry I can't offer more information. ;D

[Boi Raymond]

Hi Leloup,

 

The word San shou is used in three ways that I know of:

 

1) It relates to a type of Tournament specifically for Chinese Martial Arts. Thus the word would be used in a sentence as "San Shou Tournaments". This is a venue for any Chinese Martial Arts style to fight in. In the ancient days of China, deaths in a San Shou tournament was commonplace. Crippling - even more common.

 

2) It also is used to refer to the kind of fighting used in these tournaments. As you know, every kind of tournament has its own rules & regulations. Modern or Contemporary San Shou tournaments are held with the fighters wearing gloves. No grappling (the modern definition applies) happens since you can't really grab. But you are allowed to "hold" on to the opponent and throw him down to the ground. You cannot strike, apply strangulation techniques, locks of any kind (leglock, hiplock, kneelock, anklelock, elbowlock, wristlock, etc. etc.) are not allowed, to an opponent already down on the ground. This fighting method called "San Shou" was born out of the Tournament, which is centuries old in China.

 

3) It refers to a specific martial art. But the term San Shou is incomplete by itself. A more appropriate term would be San Shou Kiao Jiao (or San Shou Shuai Chiao). The additional terms of "Kiao Jiao" literally translates to "Fast Wrestling". It is not the western idea of wrestling, but rather the Chinese notion of it - which is Chin na (to sieze or grab the opponent). The San Shou Kiao Jiao - predates even Jujitsu... while not one of the 5 oldest Chinese martial arts.

 

**I was able to purchase a book from Squadron Shop many years ago w/c had pictographs of techniques from San Shou Kiao Jiao. I was surprised to find the full complement of Judo throws (all 64 of them were there in the book). There were variations to the techniques, but they're all there anyways. Some research into Brazilian Jujitsyu also revealed their throws also present in the book. In short, it is likely that the Japanese borrowed their techniques from San Shou Kiao Jiao and made it their own... possibly improving on it.

 

I've not met Mr Ronald Bingwaoel. I didn't even know there was an RP Team? But there are San Shou tournaments in Binondo. Its a yearly event as I understand. I've met a few fighters. Very impressive style.

 

I'd studied Kiao Jiao for a while, but didn't delve into it too much. Sorry I can't offer more information. ;D

 

nice.. interesting...

[leloup]

That's very helpful information, Corkscrew. I've been thinking of cross training in Sanshou because, like you said, it teaches you how to throw an opponent even with gloves (which is very difficult). (Sanshou competitions is like Muay Thai and YY but without the use of the ring and with throws allowed). But I was told that the Wushu gym in Rizal Stadium is not open to Non-RP team members. Is this true?

 

Yes, we have a San shou RP team. They even competed in the last Manila SEA Games. The Wushu fighters that dominates in the URCC are Sanshou fighters like Mark Sangiao.

[Corkscrew]

That's very helpful information, Corkscrew. I've been thinking of cross training in Sanshou because, like you said, it teaches you how to throw an opponent even with gloves (which is very difficult). (Sanshou competitions is like Muay Thai and YY but without the use of the ring and with throws allowed). But I was told that the Wushu gym in Rizal Stadium is not open to Non-RP team members. Is this true?

 

Yes, we have a San shou RP team. They even competed in the last Manila SEA Games. The Wushu fighters that dominates in the URCC are Sanshou fighters like Mark Sangiao.

 

Leloup,

 

First, there are many throws from different styles that do not rely on a grip. San Shou Kiao Jiao has many. Please take a look likewise at SCARS or Special Combat Aggressive Reactionary System. They've a website, I believe it is www.SCARS.com. It used to be a pay-site, I no longer know for certain as its been awhile since I last looked.

 

I don't know if the Rizal Stadium is open to non-members or not. Besides, there's a lot of politics going on there. This follows not only for the Wu Shu team, but rather for practically every single martial art there. If you're interested in further training, do PM me - I can give you contact persons who may be able to help you with this. I'll have to talk to them beforehand tho, and see if they're willing to teach San Shou only.

 

Exactly what is your interest here? Fighting for tournaments? Street fighting? Wu Shu forms? Health? There's no bad answer. Everyone studies martial arts for different reasons & its all good.

 

Likewise, what is you main fighting style? You mentioned "cross training".

Edited August 11, 2006 by Corkscrew

[Alphamale-X]

HI corkscrew! what sigle martial arts would you suggest for a pure street fight..including the dirty moves