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If you're into martial arts or combat sciences, then please discuss a bit about yourself & your fighting style. Kindly detail experience, number of years, lineage (if you will), etc.

 

Kindly refrain from saying "my style is better than your style" and all that crap... mature posts only, please. :)

 

Lets keep this topic - INTELLIGENT. Thanks!

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Nice thread Corkscrew........

 

mine is WTF (Olympic style) Taekwondo( since 1989)........boxing , Muay Thai and basic arnis.

 

My lineage in TKD is the Legitimate WTF (World Taekwondo Federation), recognized by the IOC.

I have instructors in boxing which came from LnM stable, were PACMAN came from,..but ofcorz,..they're far frm Manny,....hehehe

 

Muay thai? UNofficial,.....coz I dont train in a Muay tHaI gym,,..a few kickboxers would go into to the gym and teach me some moves.

 

I also learned some basic INTERNAL Martial ARts, from a very famous YOGI and "energy healer" in thE US,........his name is Master Del Pe......but the focus is mor eon healing, intense meditation and MAKING one's life and others HAPPY! :cool: :mtc:

 

Arnis,..so sad to say that I havent continued na eh,.....I learned some moves from the UP Kali ligthing arnis team,....but that was a long long time ago :thumbsupsmiley:

 

PEACE to ALLLLLL!!!!! :mtc:

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Hi Shambala,

 

My lineage in TKD is the Legitimate WTF (World Taekwondo Federation), recognized by the IOC.

I have instructors in boxing which came from LnM stable, were PACMAN came from,..but ofcorz,..they're far frm Manny,....hehehe

 

mine is WTF (Olympic style) Taekwondo( since 1989)........boxing , Muay Thai and basic arnis.

 

Thats a good martial arts background, very colorful too. Don't worry about "authenticity". Although I've studied a few arts that seem to focus on this - unless you're trying to popularize a "new" martial art in the country or trying to earn a reputation (or trying to impress a Babe, hehehe) - in truth, its NOT that important.

 

Muay thai? UNofficial,.....coz I dont train in a Muay tHaI gym,,..a few kickboxers would go into to the gym and teach me some moves.

 

Very powerful kicks. Very dangerous. If you got the concept & the nuances for generating power for these kicks plus the headlock - then, thats all you need. A piece of paper on the wall saying "Shambala is an authentic practitioner of Muay Thai" will not help you one bit if you get into a fight. The nuances on the other hand, will.

 

I also learned some basic INTERNAL Martial ARts, from a very famous YOGI and "energy healer" in thE US,........his name is Master Del Pe......but the focus is mor eon healing, intense meditation and MAKING one's life and others HAPPY! 

 

Very interesting. What Internal Martial Art is this? From the title Yogi, I gather that its Indian? Or is it Tibetan? Does it have "Kundilini" Training? Most important question of all, how do you define "Internal"?

 

Different people engage in martial arts for varied reasons. Some for self-defense, others sport, others as a hobby, others to lose weight, some for pure health reasons, others for National Pride, some are just war-freaks, some for preservation of the art, some for beauty, some for competition, some for confidence, some for fame or money, some for the spiritual aspects, some for the philosophical, etc. Whatever reason you practice martial arts for... its all good. You have your reasons, and need no justification.

 

 

Arnis,..so sad to say that I havent continued na eh,.....I learned some moves from the UP Kali ligthing arnis team,....but that was a long long time ago 

 

I think that they've renamed the group already. UP Lema Lightning or something like that. The word "Kali" has been taken out. It is, afterall - not even a Pilipino word. I've many friends in the group, like John Escudero & Prof Bot Hokano... perhaps their names will sound familiar at the very least. I too practiced very little of this, which is lamentable. But personally, I'm not too interested in weapons. I find it impractical. Kung may dala kang katana sa Tondo - may magho-hold up ba sa iyo? BUT, this doesn't mean that I don't think its valuable. Because, it is. Just not my cup of tea.

 

Here is a link to John's website...

 

http://www.littlebadboy.net/academia/

 

 

Did you know that Filipinos doing Wu Shu weapons are winning abroad? The trainers & training is happening in Baguio & Cebu.

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WOW pare! small world. Those 2 definitely rings a BELL! I juz dunno if they still know me. Actually, ndi naman ako nagtagal dun eh. The ones that I really know PERSONALLY are "bad boy" Nathan Dominguez and my good friend back in college, si Verlin Magbitang :hypocritesmiley: , who also happens to be a FRIEND of 1 of the moderators here: Tamago :mtc:

 

Ur question about Kundalini? YES! We do that in the INternal MA.......actually my former nickname sa myspace is KUNDALINI,.hehehehe

 

 

the focus of the internal ma is mor eon meditation, recitations of MANTRAS( yes I do that 1x or 2x a wekk, even if my sisters say am WEIRD) , a LOT of physical exercises and Breathing.

 

Oh, going back to the ARNIS thingie,..I AGREE wid yah! It aint rlly that practical to carry weapons these days,..and it aint Practical to train aNd train with juz weapons :mtc:

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Corkscrew great review. I am a avid flyer since 1989 and transfered to Cagayan de Oro.

 

Cebu will host the 20th PNAT on April 28 to 30

 

Hope to see you guys there. lots of prizes and Japanese flyers or guys from Hirobo and Futaba will come.

 

 

This is a Yearly event when we flyers show our talent on Heli and Planes

 

COme on over to the Queen City

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start ako karate (shoto) nun highschool, then sinabayan ko ng arnis nun college... nun tumigil ako ng karate nag aikido naman ako, ang hirap i-complement nun dalawa, stop ako ng aiki 2 years ago dahil sa work... nag kendo rin ako pero d ko masyado nagustuhan, maganda kendo pero arnis kc talaga ang hanap ko na weapons training

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never too late to start

 

I wholeheartedly agree with Olympus. Any age is a good age to start martial arts. Personally, I started when I was almost 7 years old. Pero, marami akong kilala na matanda na bago nagumpisa. One fellow I've met, started out when he was 52 years old. Now, he is considered a master of his own style and recognized as one of the best fighters that we have. Sa mga taga-Cebu, siya'y kilala as "Uncle Sam".

 

 

Having said that however, please note aj oragon that there are some styles which are more suitable for you... based on your age, your body type and even your temperament. Maraming factors yan. Hindi purkit magaling daw isang art ay okay na yan. Lahat ng bagay, may binabagayan.

 

Lets say for example that you're in your mid-40's, even-tempered and middle-weight. A style like Tai Chi might be more suitable for you as opposed to lets say Hsing I. Hsing I tends to favor the young, one-track minded and aggressive individuals (the style is dependent on it). Kung praning ka, mag-aral ka na pakua chang (baguazhang) dahil ito lang ang martial art na sa umpisa pa lang - walo kaagad ang kalaban mo.

 

Likewise, different people practice martial arts for different reasons. If you're into gold medals - then take up something like Judo, Karate, Taekwondo or Wu shu. If you're in it for the spiritual aspect - then maybe Aikido or Kendo would do you justice. If you're into tradition, and want something that is part of a long history na may lineage pa at lahat... Chinese Kung Fu styles might suit you best. Samples would be Choy Li Fut, Hung Gar, Ngo Cho, Zirranmen, 7 Star Mantis, White Crane, etc. Well, kung mahilig ka sa weapons - eh di Arnis na. Walang kasing galing. If you're into short-term fast results, try looking up combat sciences instead (LINE, SCARS, VIPER, etc). If you're into Health - balik ulit tayo sa Tai Chi - pwede din Rei Ki Ken. Kung gusto mong ala Bruce Lee e di Jeet kun do or Wing Chun. Kung type mo ang mga katutubong martial arts - subukan mo Arnis, Bakbakan, Sarian (Sariling Pamamaraan), Taysan (pamatay sandata), Yawyan (sayaw ng kamatayan), Away-Kalye (kailangan pa bang itranslate yan?) o kaya's WASP (Women's Anti-Assault Self-Protection Program) kung ika's babae. Kung hindi ka makapag-decide, eh di mag-mixed martial arts ka. Maraming-marami nyan tulad ng TRACMA, Tapon-do, o kaya'y Hybrid Yaw-yan.

 

I suggest that you pick-up a RAPID Magazine, basa ka konti para alam mo kung anong mga mayroon. Best to ask Alex Co also, owner of Squadron Shop. Squadron is the biggest (if only) martial arts store in the Philippines. Kahit siya ang hinirang na punong guro ng Benkiam Ngo Cho - or 5 Ancestor Fist, hindi siya biased. At maraming siyang alam na martial arts - martial arts gyms and teachers. Siya ang main supplyer kasi ng lahat. :)

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My style is better than your style... i like this phrase ;). There is no martial arts style that is better than other martial arts style. It really depends on the practitioner. I practice wushu/kung fu but i'm still equally impressed by other style. Although i think its useless for me to learn other style since they all have the same basic principle. Its really how you apply it that makes the difference.

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i started training aikido when i was in highschool, started learning bjj and sarian in 1st year college, boxing and kickboxing on 2nd n 3rd yr college and stick and knife technics in 4th year college... seen lot of martial arts and disciplines... all i can say is that all the arts are effective.. theres no such thing as which art is better than the other one... it really depends on the person practicing the art.. how he use it and how he manage to act right when something unexpected happens! great power comes with great responsibility hehehe! peace my fellow mma practitioners!!! train hard

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i started training aikido when i was in highschool, started learning bjj and sarian in 1st year college, boxing and kickboxing on 2nd n 3rd yr college and stick and knife technics in 4th year college... seen lot of martial arts and disciplines... all i can say is that all the arts are effective.. theres no such thing as which art is better than the other one... it really depends on the person practicing the art.. how he use it and how he manage to act right when something unexpected happens! great power comes with great responsibility hehehe! peace my fellow mma practitioners!!! train hard

 

Yup, i agree with that one. although i believe sayonachi and takbokaido is still the best martial arts to learn especially in an unexpected event. :D

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ask ko lng kung anong range ng age ang magandang mag enrol sa martial arts class?

 

 

The EARLIEST age to start learning martial arts is around 5 to 6 years old. But when you ask if your too old to start learning, the answer is no.

 

Judo player John Baylon a 7 time SEA games gold medalist started learning judo at the age of 22. A 6th dan black belt in his early 40's. He is also the champion in the philippine absolute brazilian jiu jitsu tournament.

 

Anything is possible. :)

 

I am obviously a judoka studying for one year now. The art's principle is what got me hooked up on this sport, "to use your opponents strength to defeat his own aggression".

 

I personally dont like striking, I prefer takedowns/throws and grappling. Because to employ takedowns and to grapple is not part of a person's natural instinct.

 

Plus, judo is one of the safest sport since it is the first martial art that was included in the olympics since 1964.

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Judo player John Baylon a 7 time SEA games gold medalist started learning judo at the age of 22.  A 6th dan black belt in his early 40's.  He is also the champion in the philippine absolute brazilian jiu jitsu tournament.

 

Good day M16A2,

 

Its interesting that J Baylon has done so well in the SEA games. 7 times is no joke... even if we talk about NCR, let alone the Nationals or SEA games. That is definitely not his muscles at work, but rather SKILL.

 

I'm curious tho... have you heard any news of ANDY MACION? Not sure if the spelling is Macion or Masyon. Supposedly, he was one of the highest ranking male Judokas during the mid-80's, being 5th Dan at that time. He was still competing at age 56, and winning consistently on the Nationals level. It was always fun to watch John go toe to toe against Andy. Of course, John was not as skillful then as he is now. And Andy was 10 times (at least by 1988) National Champion.

 

Likewise, there were the DINO brothers from Bagiuo. They too were giants in Judo during the 80's. Any news of these fellows?

 

I am obviously a judoka studying for one year now.  The art's principle is what got me hooked up on this sport, "to use your opponents strength to defeat his own aggression".

 

Judo is a great art to be armed with. Sport Judo tho doesn't exactly follow the principle that it is supposedly built upon. Afterall, during tournaments... philosophy often flies out the window. More often than not, muscle & endurance become great factors in games. At least, thats how I experienced it during my tournament days. And, that seems like ages ago. :)

 

If you love Judo so much and like the Philosophy, I suggest that you try to obtain the book entitled "HAGAKURE" written by Yamomoto Tsunetomo. This is not a book on Judo, but rather BUDO - the Way of the Warrior. Yamomoto was one of the last samurai, and this book (written by his student, making direct quotations of him) translates into english as "Hidden Behind the Leaves". The book tackles the Philosophy, the mental framework, and the Spirit behind Budo. It also discusses some personal fighting strategy. A great book that may supplement your Judo practice. Why the title? It talks about what is hidden, what is unseen... that which is within the warrior. :)

 

I personally dont like striking, I prefer takedowns/throws and grappling.  Because to employ takedowns and to grapple is not part of a person's natural instinct.

Plus, judo is one of the safest sport since it is the first martial art that was included in the olympics since 1964.

 

Different people do martial arts for different reasons. And your preference for Judo is quite VALID. For other people tho, striking feels natural & grappling is alien. Each to his/her own. There is a saying, "Liu ho pa fa is not for everyone". Just remove Liu ho pa fa and replace it with any martial art you can think of. This is not elitist, but rather a truth. You can call it "hiyang" or "binabagayan"... imagine a tall and lanky person doing judo. Or a smallish, squat heavyweight doing taekwondo.

 

regards,

 

Corky

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presently training in kickboxing National Kickboxing Fed. (NATKICK) ang galing magturo n instructor sa amoranto stadium yung gym,800 monthly lang ang bayad mababait ang mga tao,mura and quality training talaga , dito din nagtrain one of the tulfo bros. some celebs .... one big familyang turingan dito...the instructor is jun francisco 5 time kickboxing champ,a yawyan senior , yung mga ibang nanalo sa last fearless fighting last week dito din nagtrain....try to visit the gym mwf 4-8pm tth 930-1130am,6-8, sat 930-1130,4-6pm quality for your money....very affordable

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presently training in kickboxing National Kickboxing Fed. (NATKICK) ang galing magturo n instructor sa amoranto stadium yung gym,800 monthly lang ang bayad mababait ang mga tao,mura and quality training talaga , dito din nagtrain one of the tulfo bros. some celebs .... one big familyang turingan dito...the instructor is jun francisco 5 time kickboxing champ,a yawyan senior , yung mga ibang nanalo sa last fearless fighting last week dito din nagtrain....try to visit the gym mwf 4-8pm tth 930-1130am,6-8, sat 930-1130,4-6pm quality for your money....very affordable

 

Uy! Sounds good. Questions padre: anong kickboxing style and tinuturo ni Jun Francisco? Yawyan? Hybrid Yawyan? May halo na ba itong muay thai? Iba pang stilo?

 

Share ka pa! :)

 

Salamat.

 

Corky

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for me been practicing muythai before, parang muay thai siya na halo halo na eh...kase sa mga fighters dun sa gym tinuturuan niya ng halohalo grapple etc...the best part for me as a beginner sa gym nila being a bigboy as myself....talagang tinututukan nila ako,they motivate me a lot...halos lahat naman ganun ang turo dun kaya soba ok....

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Good day M16A2,

 

 

 

I'm curious tho... have you heard any news of ANDY MACION? Not sure if the spelling is Macion or Masyon. Supposedly, he was one of the highest ranking male Judokas during the mid-80's, being 5th Dan at that time. He was still competing at age 56, and winning consistently on the Nationals level. It was always fun to watch John go toe to toe against Andy. Of course, John was not as skillful then as he is now. And Andy was 10 times (at least by 1988) National Champion.

 

Likewise, there were the DINO brothers from Bagiuo. They too were giants in Judo during the 80's. Any news of these fellows?

 

 

Im not familiar with those people you mentioned but i'll ask my sensei about them.

 

 

Judo is a great art to be armed with. Sport Judo tho doesn't exactly follow the principle that it is supposedly built upon. Afterall, during tournaments... philosophy often flies out the window. More often than not, muscle & endurance become great factors in games. At least, thats how I experienced it during my tournament days. And, that seems like ages ago. :)

 

I agree that when playing judo POWER and STAMINA is a great advantage. But for me TIMING is what's most crucial in judo. When your opponent resists, you will change the direction of your force in the same direction where your opponent is putting his force to execute a powerful throw. Its like when your pushing one another you'll have to pull to gain an advantage. Parang weight shifting. Nahirapan ako sa ganun right now im still using power all the time. I hope I learn proper timing soon. :)

 

If you love Judo so much and like the Philosophy, I suggest that you try to obtain the book entitled "HAGAKURE" written by Yamomoto Tsunetomo. This is not a book on Judo, but rather BUDO - the Way of the Warrior. Yamomoto was one of the last samurai, and this book (written by his student, making direct quotations of him)  translates into english as "Hidden Behind the Leaves". The book tackles the Philosophy, the mental framework, and the Spirit behind Budo. It also discusses some personal fighting strategy. A great book that may supplement your Judo practice. Why the title? It talks about what is hidden, what is unseen... that which is within the warrior. :)

 

Where can I buy one? powerbooks perhaps?

 

 

Different people do martial arts for different reasons. And your preference for Judo is quite VALID. For other people tho, striking feels natural & grappling is alien. Each to his/her own. There is a saying, "Liu ho pa fa is not for everyone". Just remove Liu ho pa fa and replace it with any martial art you can think of. This is not elitist, but rather a truth. You can call it "hiyang" or "binabagayan"... imagine a tall and lanky person doing judo. Or a smallish, squat heavyweight doing taekwondo.

 

 

Hehe yeah everyone has their own likes and dislikes. Their is really no such thing as a "SUPERIOR MARTIAL ART" each has its own cons. I am also planning to take up muay thai in the future so I can learn how to defend intelligently against kicks and punches.

 

How about you? what martial art/s do you practice? Sorry if i didnt read your old posts im in a bit of a hurry.

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Im not familiar with those people you mentioned but i'll ask my sensei about them.

 

Thanks. Even a little news is good. Although I did read in another thread (under Mixed Martial Arts - kahapon ko lang nakita) here yesterday that Gerry Dino had already passed away. Sad to have read that news.

 

BTW - who is your Sensei?

 

 

I agree that when playing judo POWER and STAMINA is a great advantage.  But for me TIMING is what's most crucial in judo.

 

Timing is a difficult proposition in the sense that its hard to share anything concrete about it. But you're right, it is very important. Only experience will teach you that. Basta sali lang ng sali ng tournament. Don't aim for medals at the start. Aim to gain experience & confidence. It took me 9 gruelling tournaments of absolute failure before I won my first medal.

 

To share my opinion, I would have a different approach to what is essential in Judo. To sum it up in one word, Judo is all about BALANCE. With it, your opponent can't throw you. Without it... well, we quickly become acquainted with the dojo's ceiling and its many intricacies. :)

 

Likewise, as you mentioned below - the number one deterrent to throwing our opponent is his Resistance. While he may have speed, agility and/or strength, there are many ways of getting around that. Ultimately, it will boil down to his own sense of balance & your ability to take it away. Without balance, anything you do to your opponent will work.

 

When your opponent resists, you will change the direction of your force in the same direction where your opponent is putting his force to execute a powerful throw.  Its like when your pushing one another you'll have to pull to gain an advantage. Parang weight shifting. Nahirapan ako sa ganun right now im still using power all the time.  I hope I learn proper timing soon. :)

 

Hay... what you'd written brings back so many memories. Yes, thats all true. Nakakapagod to use power all the time. Even if you're strong, by the time you get to your third, or fourth opponent... its hard to even keep your arms up. I recall a tournament wherein, by the time I got to my ninth opponent - the tips of my fingers were already dark blue.

 

Would you believe me if I told you that there's an easier way to go about things? For example, that taking you opponent's balance is as easy as "push & pull"? I'm no longer talking about Judo, since the source of these principles & techniques are not from there... but can easily be transmuted to suit a Judoka's needs.

 

 

Where can I buy one? powerbooks perhaps?

 

I bought mine way over 25 years ago at National Bookstore. The version I had was made by Bantam Books. If you go to Popular Bookstore (near ABS CBN), you can talk to Willie - their requisitions manager, and he can order the book for you. No advance payment required, and they will advise you via text/email as soon as the book arrives. Book orders usually take about 1 to 2 months.

 

Hehe yeah everyone has their own likes and dislikes.  Their is really no such thing as a "SUPERIOR MARTIAL ART" each has its own cons.  I am also planning to take up muay thai in the future so I can learn how to defend intelligently against kicks and punches.

 

That sounds like a good idea to me. In fact, I took it up too. Muay Thai has only a few kicks, but they're very powerful in terms of actual force generated (pounds per square inch). These would be: front kick (different from karate or taekwondo front kicks since this kick pushes), round kick, up-kick (45 degree angle up, again different from karate or TKD), down-kick, cut-kick, and spinning kick. The rotary kicks of muay thai are among the top ten most powerful kicks in the world (taking 4th place to 9th for some of these). The average muay thai practitioner generates 180 PSI force. Thats more than enough to break a dried femur (your thigh bone).

 

I would caution you tho against delving too much into this. Learn the kicks, learn the counters... but get out very quickly. Muay thai fighters are considered retireable when they hit the "venerable" age of 21. By that time, their bodies are so badly beaten that they can no longer fight competitively. So they move on to being instructors and get out of the tournament scene. Most I have met in Thailand are partially lame for life. :)

 

How about you? what martial art/s do you practice?  Sorry if i didnt read your old posts im in a bit of a hurry.

 

Not to worry, I haven't actually posted anything about me. I prefer to discuss facts, not the personal. Likewise, I'm not sure if you mean "currently practicing" or "used to practice" or both?

 

Are you familiar with Taoist Martial Arts? Unless you're familiar with the genre, it would be pointless to name names. But this is what I have been into lately.

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for me  been practicing muythai before, parang muay thai siya na halo halo na eh...kase sa mga fighters dun sa gym tinuturuan niya ng halohalo grapple etc...the best part for me as a beginner sa gym nila being a bigboy as myself....talagang tinututukan nila ako,they motivate me a lot...halos lahat naman ganun ang turo dun kaya soba ok....

 

Pogi,

 

Saan gym ninyo? At anong claseng grappling ang tinuturo?

 

Partners are essential in studying martial arts. Even internal martial artists eventually need partners too (but that comes much much later).

 

regards,

 

Corky

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