We Are Awesome Thread

[Edmund Dantes]

 

 

During Marcos era, my aunt and uncle owns a bakery. After martial law was declared, military people came to the bake shop and forced my aunt and uncle to give them daily food for free. They have no choice but to give way as they were terrified of them. Until one day, the shop got bankrupt and they are forced to close it. To the anger of the military men, they captured my aunt and uncle. Tortured them, raped my aunt while forcing my uncle watch. They were released after 2 months leaving my uncle with dismembered leg and my aunt pregnant. Later my uncle died because of complications and infection while my aunt later suffered from trauma.

 

Months later my cousin was born, without a father and his mother can no longer talk. It's very hard for our family to bear this, while it the worst for my cousin who will take this burden for the rest of his life.

 

Now, please don't tell my cousin an idiot victim. you just have no idea.

I don't care if you are sick and tired of hearing these stories, but you are not one of us. so just show some respect.

 

Well I am sorry to hear that

 

Ang mga lolo at lola ko pinahirapan din nung panahon ng mga hapon. Sadista daw talaga yan sila. Yun isa kong lolo na nagsundalo nabulag kaliwang mata. Pero nagpatawad naman sila, nabuhay, at namatay ilan sa kanila ng masaya at kuntento.

 

Pero kung ayaw nyo magpatawad, nasa inyo din yan. Kaya nga sabi ko agree to disagree na lang. But for chris' sake let our history and politics move on. Let the man be burried at LNMB, then huwag nyo dalawin puntod. Huwag nyo ituring na bayani. Huwag nyo din iboto mga buhay pa nilang angkan. Wala naman pumuipigil sa inyo nyan eh.

 

The way I see it, kahit dito, hating hati talaga mga tao sa issue na ito. And some of us just want to close this chapter of history to just start a new era of politics.

[daphne loves derby]

 

Well I am sorry to hear that

 

Ang mga lolo at lola ko pinahirapan din nung panahon ng mga hapon. Sadista daw talaga yan sila. Yun isa kong lolo na nagsundalo nabulag kaliwang mata. Pero nagpatawad naman sila, nabuhay, at namatay ilan sa kanila ng masaya at kuntento.

 

Pero kung ayaw nyo magpatawad, nasa inyo din yan. Kaya nga sabi ko agree to disagree na lang. But for chris' sake let our history and politics move on. Let the man be burried at LNMB, then huwag nyo dalawin puntod. Huwag nyo ituring na bayani. Huwag nyo din iboto mga buhay pa nilang angkan. Wala naman pumuipigil sa inyo nyan eh.

 

The way I see it, kahit dito, hating hati talaga mga tao sa issue na ito. And some of us just want to close this chapter of history to just start a new era of politics.

 

edmund, the guy is not contesting your opinion. read his post again. he is requesting for some respect for martial law victims after your profane post (i wonder why no action from the mods on this), they are NOT japanese war victims. Its a very far and wrong comparison. He is not even questioning your position on the threads issue.

 

be open minded

[Edmund Dantes]

To all patrons of the Marcos Burial thread.

 

I would like to apologize for having that thread closed. Someone has to claim responsibility for it, and after my distasteful comment I will gladly man up and take one for the team.

 

DaphnelovesDerby,

 

You are right, profanity was uncalled for. I went full douchebag mode and I should not have done that.

 

Ibirp.

 

If you are reading this, I do not know you personally, but please accept my sincerest apology for what you have read. You did not deserve to hear something like that from a total stranger. And if respect is what you are asking for, let this act of humility be the evidence of my sincerity.

 

I am not even going to elaborate why I said what I did, as it would appear I am making excuses, so the best thing really for me to do is own up to it.

 

Again I am sorry

 

FluerdeLune

 

If you still can, please delete my comments, you may also raise my warning status, and reopen the thread again. I think that is fair because ako naman yun mali.

 

I promise to not participate na muna in that thread, since nasabi ko na naman gusto ko.

 

 

Lastly, I would like to say, the forums can sometimes bring out the devil in us. It is almost impossible most of the time to argue dispassionately. And because we have less restrictions online and more freedom, we tend to sacrifice things like prudence in the heat of discussion.

 

For what its worth though, I'll let you know that whatever beef I might seem to have with you in threads, from my end that will stay in the threads. Life is too short to hold online grudges. I can only hope you guys feel the same. Kung celebrities nga na sumasablay pinatatawad eh.

[boy popoy]

Yes, the guy has been dead for almost 30 years, yet, a noisy "yellow" minority want to dictate where he should get buried. However, their whining noise won't be able to stop the burial of a war hero (medal of valor), a soldier and president. Rody Duterte is just following the law and, as he said, the "yellows" had all the time in the world to create a law prohibiting the burial of Marcos at the LNMB but failed to do so. In their arrogance, this "yellow" minority must have thought that it would be a national travesty if someone even suggested the burial of Marcos at the LNMB. The law supersedes this noisy minority's opinion. Dura lex sed lex.

 

 

This post is a classic example of why this issue is not about uniting the country at all. It is more about a family trying to regain the power they once had, rewriting history and regaining their 'glory days'.

[Ryuji_tanaka]

 

 

Why does every Marcos issue always have to turn into a Marcos vs. Aquino issue?

 

 

Like I said earlier... For those who want to know the truth, the facts are there. You cant pick and choose just what you want to hear. I gave you a link of a video wherein BongBong acknowledges cases which granted compensation to human rights victims. You immediately dismissed it because you didn't like the source without even verifying it was credible news. The PCGG has recovered from the Marcos estate more than $4 billion - surely you cannot recover those without cases.

Because we are f**cking sick and f**cking tired of the propaganda of "Saint Cory and the Holy Ninoy" being spread by Abnoy and the Yellow Army. Yes, Macoy did some nasty s@%t, yes he stole. But so did the Aquinos, both of them, along with Kamag Anak Inc. The Aquinos had cronies too, the Lopezes and Ayalas. The Aquinos got people killed too...Mendiola Massacre and Kidapawan Massacre. Macoy did some human rights abuse, but the Aquinos and their goons have been doing it to the Hacienda Luisita farmers and their familes on a daily basis since EDSA I. It was not a "freedom vs tyranny" thing. It was an intramural fight between 2 thieveing families of the oligarchy!

[ibirp]

Marcos was never convicted of any moral turpitude and he was never dishonorably discharged from the army. Furthermore, he is a Medal of Valor winner. Marcos was a president, soldier and Medal of Valor winner, hence, he is qualified three times over. The Marcoses aren't fighting for anything because the law is on their side. Move on.

 

Marcos was never convicted because he died; simple as that.

But neither mean that he's guilty or not.

[ibirp]

Yellow media would say the same thing. How sure are you that Marcos would have been convicted had he lived? Unless you are gifted with clairvoyance, this is another nonsensical conjecture.

 

If any suspect dies, the case gets automatically dropped. Don't blame this on yellow media because it's fact. I have not also mentioned that he is guilty.

 

I think your statement is the nonsensical.

[boy popoy]

Marcos was never convicted of any moral turpitude and he was never dishonorably discharged from the army. Furthermore, he is a Medal of Valor winner. Marcos was a president, soldier and Medal of Valor winner, hence, he is qualified three times over. The Marcoses aren't fighting for anything because the law is on their side. Move on.

 

 

Guilty of what? I already asked you a question and I will repeat, how sure are you that Marcos would have been convicted had he lived? I am blaming the yellow media for the lies peddlled about Marcos. What is it about my statement that is nonsensical?

 

 

Osama Bin Laden was never convicted of any moral turpitude. So I guess its the stupid media's fault for portraying him as a terrorist.

 

Hitler also was never convicted with relation to the Holocaust.... So I guess he had nothing to do with the murder of millions of Jews.

 

Both are probably innocent, because how sure are we that they would have been convicted if they were apprehended or was alive.

[ibirp]

 

Marcos was never convicted because he died; simple as that.

But neither mean that he's guilty or not.

 

Yellow media would say the same thing. How sure are you that Marcos would have been convicted had he lived? Unless you are gifted with clairvoyance, this is another nonsensical conjecture.

 

 

 

If any suspect dies, the case gets automatically dropped. Don't blame this on yellow media because it's fact. I have not also mentioned that he is guilty.

 

I think your statement is the nonsensical.

 

 

Guilty of what? I already asked you a question and I will repeat, how sure are you that Marcos would have been convicted had he lived? I am blaming the yellow media for the lies peddlled about Marcos. What is it about my statement that is nonsensical?

 

Hindi mo yata naiintindihan yung mga sinasabi mo earlier. sinasabi ko sayo na dahil patay na si marcos, wala na trial na mangyayari kaya hindi mapapatunayan kung guilty cya or hindi. e ikaw, puro not guilty ka lang, sabay sisi mo sa yellow media.

basahin mo kaya uli mga sinasabi mo para maintindihan mo

[boy popoy]

It is really hilarious when yellowtards compare Marcos to Hitler and Bin Laden. This is an utterly asinine analogy. First and foremost, Marcos never issued a directive to k*ll Filipinos. Hitler had a directive to exterminate the Jews while Bin Laden declared war on America and with it a directive to k*ll Americans. The next time you make an analogy, make sure you know what you arr comparing.

 

 

I was comparing your asinine train of thinking. Basing all your arguments on the fact that Marcos was never convicted of a criminal act without looking at the facts and circumstances is just plain foolish.

[ibirp]

This is what you said. You are implying that Marcos would have been convicted had he lived. Which is why I asked you how sure are you that Marcos would have been convicted had he lived? It is apparent you don't even know what you are posting about.

 

That was in response to your statement that: "Marcos was never convicted of any moral turpitude."

Can't you see in my 2nd sentence? "But neither mean that he's guilty or not"

[punkee]

 

Do you blame the Emperor of Japan for the women raped by the Japanese during World War II. Do you think Marcos have specific orders to rape and torture them?

Ah, if I follow your thinking, then Marcos was a weakling and a poor leader. His military was doing all of these heinous crimes left and right, and people knew about it but were afraid to speak up. By not having anything to do with it, as you imply, then Marcos was a lousy leader. Still, command responsibility, right? Just that you guys like to defend the indefensible.

 

But really, do you think Marcos didnt know what was going on? ;-)

What do you want me to say? That what you're saying are absolute truths? Again, check out the CHR and check if there are complaints filed against Marcos before engaging me in an argument.

 

Like I said, I don't need to fight for anything because I am just stating what is in the law while here you are making conjectures which you obviously can't prove. Throwing ad hominems won't help your hopeless case. Move on.

My ad hominems have been repeatedly proven many times over here and abroad. It is asinine for you to repeatedly give credence to sources that are convenient to your stand.

 

What I have been saying about Marcos are absolute truths. Proven many times over. Not just by me. But by sources that the logical should give credence to. No amount of falsifying and paid (or worse, unpaid?) troll call center agents can change that.

 

Edited September 10, 2016 by TheSmilingBandit

[punkee]

Are you speaking for yourself?

naks. you think so?

 

im impressed. the words, ad hominem, asinine, credence, dolt and the like are not in your post. good job.

 

seems like the SC has temporarily put a stop to the burial of the plunderer, or the wax dummy, whichever comes first. hehe.

[punkee]

Yes, I think so. Why? Are you envious that I have a wide vocabulary?

 

The SC has temporarily put a stop to the burial of a president, soldier and Medal of Valor recipient. These are facts. Your labels on Marcos are all conjectures.

and since james cutter says so, it must be gospel truth! hallelujah! i give credence to james cutter on this statement. it would be asinine of me to say otherwise. just like so many of his bold predictions. and yes, i wish i too had somebody to feed me these words that i dont regularly use.

 

so conjecture lang pala lahat na lumalabas na human rights victims ng idol mong kawatan. derechohin mo na. sabihin mo na that they are lying and conjecture lang silang lahat.

[punkee]

Huh? I said "I think so". I never said "I said so." Anyway, this is trolling. I leave you to the mods.

Yes, conjecture because they have never been proven.

leave me anywhere you want. you call people so many things, and you are still around with all your made-up stuff like your idol murderer. if the words "think" and "said" deserve a warning because it is such an insult to an esteemed username-changing poster like you, then let them warn me.

 

so oo nga, your point is that all the whining of the victims are untrue, right? it is all staged, right? kasi nga Marcos never committed any of those things since they were unproven, right? that is why Marcos deserves a burial with all the honors due a person with his credentials, right? that is your point, right?