Boston Celtics

[rooster69ph]

If you think a second-round pick makes them "lamang", then that is your warped opinion.

Well wala akong sinabing ganyan...

 

 

as you said the C's overpaid ... Kaya nakalamang

 

Yun 2nd rd pick sabi mo di na dapat nagbigay ng pick pa, kaya ....nakaisa pa

 

Kaya nakalamang na nakaisa pa. Hehehe ... Anong warped dun? Ikaw naman ang pinanggalingan nun.

 

Bottomline is Ainge should have just walk away from the deal considering it was a fair deal already, in fact as you said he even overpaid, if he thinks the Cavs has no leverage. The Cavs too won't ask for additional sweeteners if they think they don't have leverage. Well the leverage might have been their knowledge that Ainge would really wanted to get Kyrie and probably won't let this deal slip away even if there are people like you who thinks he already overpaid and have to pay some more to a team that has no leverage with them.

Edited September 1, 2017 by rooster69ph

[JFK]

Apparently, Danny agreed to a second-round pick. The question now is: would the Nets absoutely suck this year?

I think it just really shows how bad the Celtics organization wanted to have Irving. They certainly took a big risk in this trade. Who knows this might be a good trade for them after all. It might be worth it after giving away so much. Remember the Jabbar trade (Milwaukee to L.A.) and the Robert Parish trade (Golden State to Boston) ? Add to this, the trade that gave them the no. 3 pick which turned out to be Kevin Mchale. This might be a blessing in disguise.

Edited September 1, 2017 by JFK

[rooster69ph]

I think it just really shows how bad the Celtics organization wanted to have Irving. They certainly took a big risk in this trade. Who knows this might be a good trade for them after all. It might be worth it after giving away so much. Remember the Jabbar trade (Milwaukee to L.A.) and the Robert Parish trade (Golden State to Boston) ? Add to this, the trade that gave them the no. 3 pick which turned out to be Kevin Mchale. This might be a blessing in disguise.

True ... The Cavs probably believe that the C's really wanted Irving (maybe even desperate) thus they used this as leverage to ask for Additional compensation after evaluating the extent of IT's injury.

 

At the end the day, Ainge can actually take a hardline stance and tell the Cavs he's walking away from the deal if they want more assets and they can have Irving back. instead he blinked and gave another 2nd rounder to the Cavs just to make it happen even if many believed that the C's original offer was already the best the Cavs could get and the C's may have already overpaid.

[rooster69ph]

Again, the Cavs had no leverage because if they did, they would have gotten Tatum or Brown.

 

Your argument that if the Cavs had leverage then they should have gotten either one of the two players you mentioned is flawed since there is is no absolute disclosure or confirmation that either of them was asked for by the Cavs. So, paano mo naman nalamam na hinihingi talaga (with absolute certainty) ng Cavs na isama un alinman sa dalawa bilang pandagdag sa naunang napagkasunduan? Hearsay dahil may nabasa ka lang? Well kung ganun a day after may naibalitang baka isa dun sa dalawang player ang hingiin ng Cavs eh may lumabas na balita na sinasabing hindi nila ito hinihingi kundi additional picks. Quite convenient not to incorporate that to boost your argument noh?

 

Leverage is being able to use your position to get what you want. In this case it is clear the cavs wanted more assets to compensate them for the extent of IT's injury and the C's on the other hand does not want to give more. At the end of the day after negatiations, the fact is the celtics had to throw in an additional asset (even if it was just a 2nd round pick) the Cavs were asking just to complete the deal even though as you said the celtics have originally overpaid already since the nets pick is enough.

 

As JFK said, it shows how bad the C's wanted to get Irving ... The Cavs knew this and used this as their leverage to get more ... They got more when as you said the C's overpaid to get this deal and they have to pay some more than what was originally agreed upon. The C's if they think they have the upper hand could simply take a take it or leave it stance instead of renegotiating.

Edited September 1, 2017 by rooster69ph

[rooster69ph]

It seems teams know how bad Ainge wanted to add another superstar this summer and use this as their leverage to get more from him considering the assets he has.

 

I mean look at the Irving deal, they not only overpaid as people thought but have to pay some more to seal it. Are there even other offers out there that can beat the C's original offer? the Bucks offer? Well not close imho. Also remember the negotiations with the Pacers for PG? Many believe that the C's offer definitely was superior than what the Pacers actually got for PG. well could it be a case wherein ainge thought the Pacers have no leverage and therefore given the very good deal he offered thinks he should just stick to it and force the Pacers to accept it as is instead of giving more. Unfortunately, the Pacers played hard ball and took the far inferior offer probably to make a statement to Ainge that despite the fact that they are in a desperate position to move PG or lose him for nothing after the end of the season. Could this have played a part in the Kyrie renegotiation? I mean even if the celtics already overpaid or have the best offer out there they couldn't threaten the Cavs to take it or leave fearing that the Cavs may call their bluff and take a lesser deal. if that happens he'd be f#&ked up the second time around this summer. Note that another consideration is that the Cavs are not even in the same desperate position as the Pacers to move Kyrie as he still under contract for 2 yrs. if the Pacers could just walk away from a best deal they have on the table just like that to pist Ainge, what makes him think the Cavs won't do the same if they don't get what they are amenable to?

[rooster69ph]

This post of yours only proves you are clueless on how the deal worked. Yes, the Cavs targeted either Tatum or Brown when they held out on this deal. Read up and don't quote a post which you have no inkling about.

Hearsay...

 

There were also reports that Says they didn't

Edited September 2, 2017 by rooster69ph

[rooster69ph]

The fact of the matter is the Cavs had no leverage. This is another convoluted post which does not prove anything.

Because you said so???

[rooster69ph]

No, it's a fact that the Cavs had no leverage because if they did, they would have gotten either Brown or Tatum. Use your common sense.

 

Go on and think that way. I mean you are entitled to have an opinion, no matter how warped it is.

 

Well if the cavs didn't have the leverage then why didn't ainge just stick to his original offer which you said he already overpaid with that nets pick?

[bigintaguig]

Well for this year in particular they've completely gutted their roster, traded away their best player, will choose starters from a combination of levert, Lin, kilpatrick, Russell and Crabbe. This doesn't even take into consideration that their front court is literally non-existent. I think it would be pretty safe to say that they will suck.

[Guest]

Its Final Thomas goes to Cavs

[ARWA]

boston has a new big three

[Eddy Syet]

I know that the C fans loved Thomas but I really liked the Irving trade for Boston.

[ARWA]

I know that the C fans loved Thomas but I really liked the Irving trade for Boston.

i love this trade as well, personally thomas is overrated... and hes too short to be a go to player

[TheListOfJon]

Overrated? If anything, IT was an underrated player who wasn't really expected to be a big-time scorer when he came to Boston. Under the tutelage of Brad Stevens, IT played way above his potential. He's too short to be a go-to-player, yet, Boston depended on him during crunch time. He was the Cs' main man when he was with the Cs.

 

What did Brad's "tutelage" exactly do to help IT2 become a better scorer? Nothing in terms of teaching. It was about opportunity.

 

IT2 just found himself in a team without a true #1 Option. Brad simply decided to give him the "green light" because he knew he had the talent to do it.

[ARWA]

What did Brad's "tutelage" exactly do to help IT2 become a better scorer? Nothing in terms of teaching. It was about opportunity.

 

IT2 just found himself in a team without a true #1 Option. Brad simply decided to give him the "green light" because he knew he had the talent to do it.

totally agreed with this one. when tjimas went to celtics they have no go to player at that time.