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[deeper_chill]

hmm... sayonachi is still the best!

 

sayonachi forever!!!

 

:cool:

[Corkscrew]

btw... I forgot their surnames but ung isa kasi professional photographer and ung isa featherweight champion

ng int'l martial. Ronald and Melvin Sia. Sa Chang Kai Chek kasi ako eh.

I'm not really desperate in looking for an instructor since ayoko ng sbrang strict!!!

Lol. Though i know martial arts need discipline. I just pick those stuffs for recreational

purposes lalo na ngayon i gaines weight.

But when you check Sta.Cruz or Binondo may Wushu gym dun who still practices the

traditional wushu [ the fighting thing, with the exhibition and the stunts etc. ] but anywa

i'm satisfied with the kickboxing thingy. I'm only 15 so i don't think i would be really into

it specialy may pasok ngaun.

But hey i really appreciate the effor answering my question

 

That explains why you're practicing wu shu! A lot of wushu teachers I know go to your school & teach. Some of these fellows are Editors for Rapid Magazine (the only martial arts mag in the country), they're Kung Fu brothers of mine. I'd invited them to learn under my teacher. These bros are from Binondo, and were once members of the Wu Shu National Team. Incidenally, while not an editor - I do write for Rapid. The last two issues have my articles on it.

 

I'm afraid I've not met Ronald & Melvin.

 

15 is a good age. Not sure tho what it is that you're looking for. There are better ways of losing weight than martial arts. Although, if you stick to a tough external style - you will lose some of it. Being healthy is another can of worms so as to speak. Glad to help.

[tricy_25]

me..i like to learn..how much ba pag nag enroll ka sa ganyan?

[Corkscrew]

Hi CorkScrew,

sorry, something went worng with the last post, reposting it

Thank you very much for the reply and for the time you spend for answeing me.

 

Hi Vi-king,

 

No problem. My pleasure!

 

It's very informative and interesting .The infighting kicks of yawyan sounds amazing.I know what you mean ,The opponent will not be getting a clue where it came from.I have got an article about yawyan which came on inside kungfu mag long before .In that ,the author just mention about this like yawyan prefer to use their kicks in close quarter .

 

And about the hand techniques of yaw-yan, read like the empty hands of escrima or arnis is very fast similar to winghun+boxing,but with weapon awareness,trapping and triangle footwork.And the primary step is attacking the opponents attacking limb first.Does pure Yawyan follows the same principle.And it's said like Yawyan was a complete martial art before it became just a kickboxing style ,and it contains grappling (YY buno),groundfighting etc and yaw-yan ardigma is bringing back the pure yawyan.

 

Ok. When I met Nap - there was no groundfighting in YY yet (thats why he was asking me and others to teach at his school). But, as early as then... shortly before any of the UFC bouts started appearing, Nap already foresaw a need to develop Yaw Yan even further. Not really to get into groundfighting, but rather to address groundfighting. You don't have to go down to the ground to beat a grappler. But you do have to study how to get out of the ground, if in case it happens. THAT, was his purpose.

 

Can you please explain about the elbows and knees in Yaw-Yan,i think yawyan has more elbow and knee strikes than muaythai and various combinations.And in the Ikf article author states the kicks by calfs,thighs,(assume it's a close qurterkicks.only that type of kick i 've seen is in 'ongbak').And it would be nice if you can share some insight on YY's fighting strategies.

Thank you very much

Regards

 

We're talking about the same human body here. There's a finite amount of ways to move this same body - including the elbow & knees. Both MT & YY employ these weapons often & whenever possible. While the body movements are finite, the uses & combination of movements is what is infinite. There are likewise many ways to fight with the same movement (that statement is so profound if you really think about it).

 

Let's talk about your statement "primary step is attacking the opponents attacking limb first"... well, that is a common Filipino fighting strategy used in many Arnis styles. What is uncommon is that YY takes that one step further. It attempts to destroy one side of the opponent first. Think about it, if your arm & leg on the same side gets so badly hurt to the point of being limp... can you defend yourself on that side? While some may answer "yes", most will humbly admit "no".

 

YY differs from MT in the sense that MT will scatter its elbow & knee strikes anywhere & everywhere on his/her opponent's body. The YY fighter will favor striking only the leg & arm on the same side of his/her opponent. There's a significant deviation in fighting method & strategy here. In short, MT will "maul" the opponent to death. YY will incapacitate the opponent on one side, because once this has been done - anything that follows will work. It is called the "Dance of Death" because you literally can play around with your opponent once he's incapacitated... then, k*ll him off if needed. You merely have to continue attacking on the incapacited or debilitated side.

 

Nap is a genius.

 

Beyond this, can't really offer more info on Yaw Yan (unless its historical info you need). Again, I don't practice YY. Never did, never will.

 

I hope this helps.

 

regards,

 

Corky

Edited August 3, 2006 by Corkscrew

[Corkscrew]

me..i like to learn..how much ba pag nag enroll ka sa ganyan?

 

hi Tricy,

 

that depends on what your interests are? also location has a lot to do with it. natural kapag sobrang layo, malabo na kahit mura. teachers will charge anywhere from zero to 200K for a six month course. it really depends. what have you seen that catches your fancy?

[lomex32]

Where can we find Nap Fernandez's training

 

This surprise maneuvers are practical for any engagement

 

Nap Fernandez's design of Yaw Yan is not based on Taiji or Aikido. Mga hilong hybrid na yan. The basics of this art is founded on what Nap calls "Unorthodox Kicks". Surprise kicking maneuvers baga. Very effective by itself. Arnis is the main addendum in Yaw Yan.

 

 

I reside in Mandaluyong (labas)

 

san ba location mo bro?

 

Same question here were can we find Yawyan. thanks

[vi-king]

 

Hi Vi-king,

 

No problem. My pleasure!

Ok. When I met Nap - there was no groundfighting in YY yet (thats why he was asking me and others to teach at his school). But, as early as then... shortly before any of the UFC bouts started appearing, Nap already foresaw a need to develop Yaw Yan even further. Not really to get into groundfighting, but rather to address groundfighting. You don't have to go down to the ground to beat a grappler. But you do have to study how to get out of the ground, if in case it happens. THAT, was his purpose.

We're talking about the same human body here. There's a finite amount of ways to move this same body - including the elbow & knees. Both MT & YY employ these weapons often & whenever possible. While the body movements are finite, the uses & combination of movements is what is infinite. There are likewise many ways to fight with the same movement (that statement is so profound if you really think about it).

 

Let's talk about your statement "primary step is attacking the opponents attacking limb first"... well, that is a common Filipino fighting strategy used in many Arnis styles. What is uncommon is that YY takes that one step further. It attempts to destroy one side of the opponent first. Think about it, if your arm & leg on the same side gets so badly hurt to the point of being limp... can you defend yourself on that side? While some may answer "yes", most will humbly admit "no".

 

YY differs from MT in the sense that MT will scatter its elbow & knee strikes anywhere & everywhere on his/her opponent's body. The YY fighter will favor striking only the leg & arm on the same side of his/her opponent. There's a significant deviation in fighting method & strategy here. In short, MT will "maul" the opponent to death. YY will incapacitate the opponent on one side, because once this has been done - anything that follows will work. It is called the "Dance of Death" because you literally can play around with your opponent once he's incapacitated... then, k*ll him off if needed. You merely have to continue attacking on the incapacited or debilitated side.

 

Nap is a genius.

 

Beyond this, can't really offer more info on Yaw Yan (unless its historical info you need). Again, I don't practice YY. Never did, never will.

 

I hope this helps.

 

regards,

 

Corky

 

Hi Cork screw

thank you very much,

Very Interesting post.......if you would like to have a look on that old Ikf mag article about yawyan,just inform me.will send it to you.

 

Once again Thank you

God Bless

[tricy_25]

hi Tricy,

 

that depends on what your interests are? also location has a lot to do with it. natural kapag sobrang layo, malabo na kahit mura. teachers will charge anywhere from zero to 200K for a six month course. it really depends. what have you seen that catches your fancy?

 

 

wow! ganun pala kamahal un..hindi pala basta2 yun.thanks for the info ha

[badburnmd]

Hi badburnmd,

 

There's quite a number of FMA's to begin with: Yaw Yan, Tay San, Sarian, Bakbakan, Away Kalye, Dumog, Panununtukan, Sikaran, Eskrima, Espada y daga AND a whole host of ARNIS schools (too many different styles to mention). Which one are you interested in?

 

im interested in any form of arnis... tried sarian way back before in college, pero i quit, just want some to learn and maxinize my spare time, toxic work kasi...any place near me (taft/malate area) would be greatly appreciated...thanks

[smart-ass]

interested in arnis? try looking up the Filipino Martial Arts thread sa SPORTS section...

Natabunan na ata coz of little interest in the native arts...page 2 or 3..

[Corkscrew]

Where can we find Nap Fernandez's training

 

I asked my friend Danny, Editor-in-Chief of Rapid Mag and he advised me that Nap may be retired already. But, his main students are still actively teaching. There's a link to a webpage that has the existing original style (non-hybrid) schools below:

 

Yawyan School Directory

 

I reside in Mandaluyong (labas)

 

Hehehe! Are you sure?

Edited August 4, 2006 by Corkscrew

[Corkscrew]

im interested in any form of arnis... tried sarian way back before in college, pero i quit, just want some to learn and maxinize my spare time, toxic work kasi...any place near me (taft/malate area) would be greatly appreciated...thanks

 

Taft/Malate area? Wow... sorry, I don't know anyone who teaches ARNIS in that area. Kung fu teachers, yes. That's close enough to China Town. But most of the guys I know teaching Arnis are in the QC Area. Hmmm... there is one guy, he's a Prof at UP and he frequents Squadron Shop in Binondo to study Ben Kiam style Go Cho (Five Ancestor Fist) with Alex Co, owner of Squadron (another friend). Bot is one of the 5 Main Students of the late Master Lema of the Lema-Lightning Arnis style. His name is Prof. BOT HOKANO. An old friend. If you're interested, PM me so I can give you his cellphone number. Will have to confirm with him first his schedule, & permission.

 

Smart-ass is right, there's a good discussion on FMA also on this same Board. I've read through it & its pretty good.

[Corkscrew]

Hi Cork screw

thank you very much,

Very Interesting post.......if you would like to have a look on that old Ikf mag article about yawyan,just inform me.will send it to you.

Once again Thank you

God Bless

 

Hi Vi-king,

 

Thanks. Just trying to help.

 

About the IKF mag, sounds good to me. Yes, I would like to have a look at it. How do we arrange that? PM?

 

God Bless,

Corky

[leloup]

I'm a practitioner of TKD (for 12 years and was my University's varsity player), Muay Thai (been practicing for 4 years and I'm an officer of Muay Association of the Philippines, the NSA for Muay Thai and have visited training camps in Thailand) Yaw-yan (been practicing for 2 years) and currently cross training in boxing, judo and BJJ. Having practiced these disciplines, I believe that I am in a good position to make some comments regarding the differences between these martial arts.

 

There are several differences between TKD and MT. Beside from the point of contact, MT using the shin while TKD using the instep, Muay Thai kicks are thrown dead legged style. It's like swinging a baseball bat with your shin as the bat and your hips as the swinging arms. Whereas in TKD, the kicks are chambered (just like Yaw-yan). There are a lot of jumping, turning and flying kicks in TKD but you will not see them in MT. I've fought in TKD and Muay thai matches and jumping, turning and flying kicks takes too long to execute and thus can easily be evaded or countered, especially in a match that you can throw punches. A fancy turning long kick can easily be countered by a simple push kick.

 

There are advantages and disadvantages between Yawyan and MT kicks. It would really boil down to the fighter's preference and fighting style. Even here in the Philippines, MT and YY have squared off several times and the results are mixed. Sometimes YY wins, sometimes MT carries the day.

 

I've something against unorthodox kicks because aside from being difficult to learn, it also takes a long time to execute. Scorpion kicks takes much longer to execute. Clinching your opponent then executing several knees to the head is much faster and you can do more damage to your opponent. In the ring, a split second is a long time. But then again, it really boils down to the fighter's preference and fighting style. Even if you watch YY matches, unorthodox kicks are rarely executed. The simple kicks such as roundhouse and push kicks are more commonly used.

 

And I study judo and BJJ because in a match, it is very easy to close the gap and take down an opponent. In UFC and Pride matches, even world class kickboxers or MT fighters can easily taken down by wrestlers and BJJ practitioners. These are world class stand up fighters, what more of a fighter of lesser caliber. I remember Badong Valdueza (no disrespect to him, he's a friend of mine) a fighter of Yaw-yan, and nephew of the legendary Emiliano Zapata, lost via armbar from a BJJ fighter in a URCC match. Badong is one of the best fighters of yaw-yan at present. But he was beaten by a submission maneuver. Now, tell me is yaw-yan alone enough or cross training in a grappling art would improve your game.

 

No disrespect intended to Yaw-yan (I'm a practitioner of Yaw-yan myself) but when they went to Thailand, did they went up against the top notch Lumpinee or Rajadamnern champions? Perhaps they did mangled the thai fighters but what is the caliber of these fighters? Did yaw-yan sent their very best to Thailand's very best or very worst fighters? Even American kickboxing legend Benny Urquidez did that. He went to Thailand and fought against an ageing Muay Thai fighter. He of course won but where is the glory in fighting an overmatched opponent.

 

Martial arts has evolved so much in the last 13 years since the first UFC that it will be foolish for a fighter to say that one style is enough, that one style can dominate every martial arts. It's no longer the age of "my kung fu is better than your kung fu". It's take the best of every art, eliminate the unnecessary, and incorporate it in your fighting style. Even the fabled Gracie family is cross training in Muay Thai and boxing because they get beaten by nonpractitioners of BJJ. In UFC, Pride and even in the local URCC, you can't see a fighter who did not cross trained in another martial art.

[tricy_25]

hello po...ano pa yung ibang martial arts?kasi gus2 ko tlagang matuto eh..pang self defense lang..kaso ndi kaya magka lasug lasog ang katawan ko pag ako nag enroll sa ganyan???