PacMan's Corner

[jerzz]

My scorecard is for JMM 114-113

 

Pero ganito yan, pag dikit ang laban sa Las Vegas, pinapaboran ng judges yung mas sikat na boksingero, yung magdadala ng maraming pera sa kanila, at alam naman natin kung sino yun

 

Mali yung technique ni MP na lumaban ng may distansya, mas mahaba at mas technically skilled sa kanya si JMM, dapat dikitang laban ginawa niya, labo labo style, dun nya napabagsak si JMM. Kaya naman niya ang suntok ni JMM, pero yung suntok niya hindi kaya ni JMM kaya dapat dikitang labo labo matira ang matibay.

 

Nawala yung NO FEAR attittude niya

 

The Associated Press score it 114-113

Yahoo Sports score it 115-112

ESPN had it 114-113

all for JMM

 

buti na lang hindi kami yung judge

Edited March 16, 2008 by jerzz

[Fusarium_jimini]

Im quoting a post from a boxing message board from a guy who is a diehard Pacman fan. This post shows how the fight could have gone either way. Meaning, an argument could be made for either guy winning.

 

Here's the quote:

 

 

 

 

"I was at the fight live and I'll be honest...in my heart I felt JMM won. I didn't score the fight because I was too busy chewing the skin off my knuckles, but it just seemed like JMM had more "moments" than Pac.

 

But, I will also say that I called up a friend (who's Mexican) and he was watching the fight with a whole house full of other mexicans and I asked him what everyone thought...and he said, "Almost all of them felt Pac clearly won, were saying JMM needed a KO to win in the 12th, and were surprised that JMM actually won on one judges' scorecards."

 

The filipino friend of mine sitting next to me also thought JMM won. Now you gotta remember that me and my flip friend are two of the biggest Pac fans there are. So I then called my other friend who is a Pac HATER (he sat the opposite end of the arena) and he thought Pac won a close one.

 

I guess all this means is...too f#&king close to call...could have gone either way, and after getting a draw in the first fight, I have no problem with this one going to Pac.

 

oh...and I definitely gotta watch the hbo replay.

 

btw...this was the first fight my wife ever went to and she f#&king LOVED IT. Even though I would have loved nothing more than a 1st KO by Pac, I'm kinda happy it went 12 hard, back and forth rounds, because she was actually yawning in the Luevano fight.

 

Lastly...I think everyone needs to give both Pac and JMM huge ass props...my god what a couple of f#&king warriors."

 

the best post so far... maybe us pinoys are used to watching the pacman deck an opponent to submission til the mandatory 10-count is finished that most of us remain totally unconvinced of the fight's outcome..

 

yeah, Pacquiao won probably by a single point or two only..it may be an unconvincing victory but nonetheless he won it fair & square (unlike his first fight with marquez)...personally, I would have scored the 3rd round as 10-7 and not 10-8 in favor of pacquiao (f#&kin' Marquez went down with both feet high up in the air, hehehe)..

 

peace!

[buddy01]

its a close decision and could have gone either way.manny pacquiao is lucky to have it his way.

[plush]

May 2nd knockdown pa sana nung 3rd round right before the bell. Humawak lang si marquez sa ropes para hindi matumba.

[Eddy Syet]

whats funny about us filipinos is were TOO PROUD hahaha,may hati kb sa panalo ni pacqiao? or ung kasikatan nya? kahit manalo siya panget parin ang tingin sa pilipinas,no amount of his glory can change our countrys image to the perspective of other nations. in short parang nakikisawsaw tayo sa walang laman na baso.

pacqiao WAS a good boxer...BEFORE he involved himself with politics,etc.

now hes not the peoples champion except for those who still fantasize about him...he WAS the people champion...but not anymore.

 

maybe lito atienza's champion or GMA's champion but definitely NOT this country's'

 

looking at the scoring of every round...it was LUCK and maybe influence that won pacqiao that match...

 

hindi na cya tulad dati...people champ amp

 

Bitter?! Tsk!

 

You're actually having problems about Filipinos who are proud to be one because of Manny's success?! I can't believe you just said that. Know what, IKINAHIHIYA KO NA KABABAYAN KITA! You shouldn't have been born here! You're gloating about Manny's victory because he tried his hand once in politics. You didn't even even gave him the benefit of the doubt. That maybe he ran because of two things? First, because of the first gentleman's insistence (Cong. Darlene, Manny's opponent in the recent elections, was a known enemy of the GMA administration) knowing that "malaki ang utang na loob ni Manny kay" Mr. Arroyo; second because he REALLY thought he can do something for his kababayans in the South.

 

I was an OFW in KSA when Pacquiao defeated Erik Morales and Larios. You didn't know the sense of pride that he's bringing to his co-Filipinos. Para sa mga katulad kong nagpapakahirap sa ibang bansa at sumusunod sa mga among ibang lahi, malaking bagay sa amin ang may maipagmalaki kami na Pilipinong nagtatagumpay lalo pa't sa sikat na larangan ng boxing.

 

Filipinos are not dumb to think that Manny's closeness to the first family or Lito Atienza has something to do with his greatness in the ring or vice versa. If you think that the people who are applauding Pacquiao are also applauding the GMA Administration or Lito Atienza then you're an exclusive case. Ikaw lang yung "dumb" na Pilipinong kilala ko pagdating dyan. You wanna frown because Pacquiao won?! So be it. Suit yourself. After all, KAYA MO NAMAN SIGURO KAMING PAKITAAN NG BAGAY NA MAIPAGMAMALAKI NAMIN SA IBANG LAHI DI BA? Hindi kagaya ni PacMan.

 

Ang hirap sa ibang Pilipinong gaya mo, utak-talangka kayo. Matatanggap ko pa na disappointed ang ibang kababayan natin kasi sa tingin nila hindi convincing ang pagkaka-panalo ni PacMan. Pero MASAYA sila kasi PANALO si PacMan. Eh ikaw... bakit ba nagliliyab ang tumbong mo kay PacMan?! Kasi wala kang balato? Kasi talo pusta mo? Kasi tinalo niya si Marquez mo?

 

Pilipino ka ba? Better check your loyalties now. Nakakasuka ang mga tulad mo! :thumbsdownsmiley:

[Eddy Syet]

look at his WINNER look

 

http://i27.tinypic.com/2llk0p5.jpg

 

pag nagsesearch ka ng pix sa net of pac and marquez fight...mga WINNER looks lang ang nakukuha ko hahaha

 

Winner pics ba gusto mo? Eto oh...

 

 

 

 

Nakita mo? Sige isaksak mo sa baga mo! Next time, I'll teach you how to use the internet, ok?

[juniperxxx]

Anyone got details of the scoring made by the judge who saw it 115-112 Pacquiao? How could Marquez lost 7 rounds?

[jerzz]

Anyone got details of the scoring made by the judge who saw it 115-112 Pacquiao? How could Marquez lost 7 rounds?

 

http://www.fightnews.com/pacmarscorecard.gif

[Eddy Syet]

Sana ganito din tayo kabusisi nung makatabla si Marquez kay PacMan noon ano?!

 

O kaya nung natalo si Onyok Velasco kay Bugilov noon sa Olympics...

 

O kaya nung natalo si Gerry Peñalosa nun sa South Korea...

 

 

The fight was too close to call that I myself who believes that Pacquiao won this fight against Marquez wouldn't disagree if people would say that the fight could've gone either way.

 

C'mon guys, what's wrong with you?! If we're going to compare this fight to a basketball game, this will be a game decided by a single point with the winning team getting an endgame break. It's not a like tinambakan ng losing team ang kalaban and then niluto ng referees ang laban kaya nanalo yung nanalo, di ba?

 

Pacquiao showed up... he fought... and his performance albeit subpar from his previous fights is NOT mediocre. Marquez got hit... he got floored... he received some... hell, even the computers say that he only landed 10 more punches than Pacquiao but of course, we all know who's got heavier punches.

 

Why can't we be happy that PacMan won?! The win's not impressive but it is a win nonetheless. Hindi nakakahiyang panalo dahil hindi naman dinaya si Marquez eh. Mas nakakahiya kung natalo yung kababayan natin.

[wizard23]

it used to be everytime MP wins, united ang bayan. but now backreading this thread, panalo na nga si MP, me nag aaway pa....

 

tsk tsk tsk... it's all water under the bridge or no use crying over spilt milk...

 

tama na yung i express niyo yung opinion who you personally think won the fight...pero yung i highlight pa yung negative ni Pacman and being satirical pa with the killer looks effect? only in the Philippines lang yung kapwa pilipino, sisiraan ang kapwa pilipino...

 

we are all Filipinos here. we should be proud that Manny Pacquiao won the fight. everytime he fights, he brings honor and pride to the country, win or lose...

 

let's do away with this crab mentality where pinoys love to pull down their kapwa pinoys when they see their compatriots succeeding. let's look at the positive side...

 

peace!

[stormgray]

Bitter?! Tsk!

 

You're actually having problems about Filipinos who are proud to be one because of Manny's success?! I can't believe you just said that. Know what, IKINAHIHIYA KO NA KABABAYAN KITA! You shouldn't have been born here! You're gloating about Manny's victory because he tried his hand once in politics. You didn't even even gave him the benefit of the doubt. That maybe he ran because of two things? First, because of the first gentleman's insistence (Cong. Darlene, Manny's opponent in the recent elections, was a known enemy of the GMA administration) knowing that "malaki ang utang na loob ni Manny kay" Mr. Arroyo; second because he REALLY thought he can do something for his kababayans in the South.

 

I was an OFW in KSA when Pacquiao defeated Erik Morales and Larios. You didn't know the sense of pride that he's bringing to his co-Filipinos. Para sa mga katulad kong nagpapakahirap sa ibang bansa at sumusunod sa mga among ibang lahi, malaking bagay sa amin ang may maipagmalaki kami na Pilipinong nagtatagumpay lalo pa't sa sikat na larangan ng boxing.

 

Filipinos are not dumb to think that Manny's closeness to the first family or Lito Atienza has something to do with his greatness in the ring or vice versa. If you think that the people who are applauding Pacquiao are also applauding the GMA Administration or Lito Atienza then you're an exclusive case. Ikaw lang yung "dumb" na Pilipinong kilala ko pagdating dyan. You wanna frown because Pacquiao won?! So be it. Suit yourself. After all, KAYA MO NAMAN SIGURO KAMING PAKITAAN NG BAGAY NA MAIPAGMAMALAKI NAMIN SA IBANG LAHI DI BA? Hindi kagaya ni PacMan.

 

Ang hirap sa ibang Pilipinong gaya mo, utak-talangka kayo. Matatanggap ko pa na disappointed ang ibang kababayan natin kasi sa tingin nila hindi convincing ang pagkaka-panalo ni PacMan. Pero MASAYA sila kasi PANALO si PacMan. Eh ikaw... bakit ba nagliliyab ang tumbong mo kay PacMan?! Kasi wala kang balato? Kasi talo pusta mo? Kasi tinalo niya si Marquez mo?

 

Pilipino ka ba? Better check your loyalties now. Nakakasuka ang mga tulad mo! :thumbsdownsmiley:

 

 

Pareng Legionnaire,

 

Couldn't have said it better myself!

 

To me, it's still kind of shocking that a lot of Filipinos display the characteristics of a crustacean with two claws; it's really embarrassing! I've even heard some Filipinos say "sana matalo si Pacquiao kasi lumalaki na ulo niya." While some of us Filipinos think that Manny's head has swollen to obscene proportions, the consensus of foreign journalists is that Manny is one of the humblest fighters around. Wow grabe ang inggit! Remember, envy is a deadly sin.

 

C'mon, if you think Manny lost because Marquez kicked his butt, that's okay, but if you think Manny lost because of something else not related to his performance in the ring, then you're stupid, dumb and a complete idiot.

 

Now, onto the match. After Manny's ass got kicked in the 8th, I was really scared that he'd lose. He came back in the late rounds so I thought it would really, really be close. When the fight ended, I honestly didn't know who won. I had feared Manny lost. I knew it would be a split decision one way or the other, or at worst a draw, so I hung my head and thought to myself, "oh no, not again." Fortunately, he won and I can't be happier, despite the controversy.

 

JMM should stop crying foul. He's a great fighter and a sure HOF. However, he can't knock down Manny, nor could he stop Manny from knocking him down. The fact is, the KD in the 3rd round spelled the difference. It's time boxing judges started rewarding aggressive fighters like Manny. I'm sick and tired of counter-punchers and hit-and-run types (attention, Floyd). Remember what they say: "Let's get it on!" MMA fans should be familiar with this.

 

Go Manny! Next stop, kicking David Diaz's ass!

[don juan casanova]

Keeping it real Pacman 3rd round Knockout is a savior, Marquez is very Skilled and Technical while Pacman's Speed and Power it the best in the bizz, well I wish Manny will just stick on what he's good at. And thats "BOXING!" stay away from showbisnezz, politics kung anung bisyo he's too overrated wala naman kwenta showbizz dito, and we have a corrupt and dirty government. I know Manny is an amazing fighter he could knockout Marquez on the early rounds but I'm kinda felt na nawala yung something magical about him when he last fought Morales he was on his peak now he's slowing a bit... :cry: but anyway hes's still the best!!!! :cool:

[ZO9zaa]

Pac got "robbed" of his victory four years ago, so this is possibly poetic justice. hehehehe

[stormgray]

One of the better write-ups about the match (http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=14851&more=1). See, foreigners like Manny. It's a shame some Filipinos are embarrassingly crab-minded:

 

Pac-Man-Marquez II - Whoever You Think Won, One Thing Is Clear; As Boxing's Most Exciting Fighter Pacquiao Is Back!

 

16.03.08 - by James Slater: The argument as to just who deserved the decision after Saturday's instant classic between Manny Pacquaio and Juan Manuel Marquez, in their superb rematch, will no doubt go on for some time. Yet one thing the fight proved beyond any doubt is the fact that Pac-Man is once again boxing's number one most thrilling operator.

 

In his last two bouts, against Jorge Solis and Marco Antonio Barrera, it was clear Manny was not firing on all cylinders. As a result, both fights did not produce the pulsating action Pacquiao fights normally do. Well, guess what - Pac-Man is back to doing what he does best, namely putting the fans attending his fights through absolutely pulse quickening drama. Last night's return bout, four years in the making and all, was nothing short of a majestic and glorious battle..

 

The fight also asked a number of questions, not least, who actually won? Also, the following posers were put forth; can Pacquiao really go any further up in weight? Will there be a third Pacquiao-Marquez bout, was the rematch even better than March 1st's Vazquez-Marquez rubber match? And, finally, can we simply stop talking about a Pacquiao-Ricky Hatton fight?

 

Now to answer these questions one by one.

 

Firstly, for what it's worth, this writer had last night's fight scored as a one point win for Juan Manuel Marquez. The fight was desperately close, however, so the question of who won can only come down to a case of take your pick. One does hope that there are no cries of robbery, though. This fight was too good to be spoiled, at least partially, by any complaints of that nature. The action was dead close, let's leave it at that.

 

Can Pac-Man go up any further in weight? For a guy who made his pro debut down at a mere 106 pounds, the Filipino superstar has already achieved plenty. But to go up to lightweight? That may be biting off a little more than Manny can chew. Super-featherweight looks, to this writer, anyway, about as successfully high as the 29-year-old can go. As it is, Manny has already earned himself the accolade of being the first boxer from his country to win as many as four world titles in different divisions. In short, Pacquaio doesn't need to take risks by going up any higher, his legacy is already cemented beyond any doubt.

 

Will there be a third fight? How can there not be? The fights, both one and two, were absolute barnburners, and it could be argued (indeed, it almost certainly will be) that we have yet to see a clear winner in either fight between the two men. As great as fights one and two were, last night's return especially, there will surely be a third clash. Hopefully this year.

 

Was last night's great fight even better than March 1st's rubber match war between Israel Vazquez and Rafael Marquez? Again, it's down to individual opinion, but I say yes. The drama was absolutely agonising last night, and the action more than delivered. Sure, the March 1st fight between Juan Manuel's brother and the magnificent Israel Vazquez delivered big style too, but for me Pacquaio-Marquez II topped it. Just. Whatever the case, though, we have almost certainly seen 2008's fight of the year - whether or not you think it took place two weeks ago, or just last night.

 

How about talk of a Pac-Man-Ricky Hatton clash? No. In a word, no. This fight should not happen. Yes, I know Manny enters the ring at around 144 pounds or so, but he is just too small for Hatton. There is no shortage of other, equally intriguing fights out there for Pacquaio, so why go after a natural light-welterweight like "The Hitman?" Such a fight would no doubt prove incredibly lively and dramatic for a while, but it wouldn't be a long while. Manny is not the hardest guy in the world to hit, and get hit hard and often he would by Hatton. Against a man so much naturally bigger, it would simply not be fair. Pacquiao is fearless, and would take the fight in a heartbeat, without question, but this particular mountain would be one too high to climb.

 

For the time being, however, whatever path he chooses to follow in the coming months, let's all congratulate, not only Manny Pacquaio, but also the equally superb Juan Manuel Marquez, on a fight exceedingly well fought last night at The Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas.

 

Without any question, Pacquiao-Marquez II was a fight for the ages!

[revi]

anyway, i think nakahinga ng maluwag si gma/malacanang people. time to celebrate. UNITY WALK photo-ops galore!

 

hahaha... Nice one! Suddenly, because of this win, the Filipino people are now pro-government? hehehe.. Nakalimutan na ang lahat? I hope not..