riceb0i Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 the Lesnar Herring fight was decided by that 1st right straight in the fight... too bad Heath was at the receiving end... yup never saw Heath dominated even in Pride, i was hoping he'd give Brock a run for his money standing up, but as Brock said Heath doesn't know much about him & not much tapes to review what he's gonna do in the fight. over all it was a nice card, and yeah i would like to see Lesnar against a big man like Congo in the octagon as well. but i'd bet Lesnar would win this as well. Brock = The Next Big Thing? Quote Link to comment
reachard Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 wasn't able to watch it, yung weigh in lang sa site ang kulit yung battle of the nerds sayang I go for Jon Fitch sana pero GSP is more athletic Quote Link to comment
TheButcher Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Brock rocks! GSP was amazing! Quote Link to comment
hardtohandle Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 brock came out to fight this time, the first right straight sent herring tumbling on his back. he is still yet to be tested though, i'd like to see him against congo to match his power and size. GSP was totally awsome! his take down defense is remarkable He also came out to fight against Mir, its just that he committed a rookie mistake then... Brock = The Next Big Thing? Well, he is the Big Thing right now, literally and figuratively, heheheh! He will definitely terrorize the HW division while he is working on his progress (partida pa yan, nag-aaral pa lang ng MMA pero dinodominate na yung mga kalaban), its just a matter of time... Sino pa ba itatapat sa kanya dyan? I think Cain Velasquez will be a good fight for Brock pero kakainin din nya ng buhay yun... Good thing Brandon Vera slid down to LHW, coz I dont want to see our fellow countryman mutilated by Brock, heheheh! Sa tingin ko may tulog lang sya sa mga high-level BJJ experts in the HW division like Gonzaga and Werdum. Knowing those high-level bjj experts, you can f*ck them all night, but they will still have the last laugh, heheheh! Quote Link to comment
geneticfreak Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 (edited) Sa tingin ko may tulog lang sya sa mga high-level BJJ experts in the HW division like Gonzaga and Werdum. Knowing those high-level bjj experts, you can f*ck them all night, but they will still have the last laugh, heheheh! Yup Yup. I agree. I think he can beat up either Werdum or Minotauro all he wants but he'll still bet submitted in the end. (Remember that Bob Sapp - Nog fight back in PRIDE. Nog was beaten to a pulp but came out with the submission victory in the end) But who knows? Brock showed a lot more "maturity" this time in his fight with the Texas Crazy Horse. It was all a matter of capitalizing on his strengths (his base, his size and strength and his wrestling Pedigree) and minimizing his weaknesses. Brock knew Herring was probabbly better in BJJ than he was and that is why he didn't take any uneccessary risks this time. Mike Goldberg even commented that despite the fact that Brock got Herring's back a lot during the fight he never put in the hooks. He just rode Herring, instead of choosing to try and submit him he just battered him with punches and knees to the body. He capitalized on his strengths and what he was good at. Even more impressive was that punch he threw at the very start of the fight that floored Herring. It showed us that he's not just a wrestler, that he has tools standing up and is not afraid to use them. He is clearly now a force to be reckoned with in the UFC HW division (even more so due to the lack of "quality" heavyweights in the said division) and I expect to see him improve further in his next few fights. I'd love to see him against either Kongo or Werdum or Napao that would be a great fight. Edited August 11, 2008 by geneticfreak Quote Link to comment
geneticfreak Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 (edited) sayang I go for Jon Fitch sana pero GSP is more athletic Not just athletic. He really is the more COMPLETE fighter. But kudos to Jon Fitch. To get knocked down twice in the fight and nearly finished and still keep one's composure and poise and FINISH is something quite remarkable especially if you do it against someone as highly touted as GSP. He had nothing to be ashamed of after that performance. Kudos to to Heath Herring for finishing the fight against Brock Lesnar. Now that's what you call heart, grit and determination. Edited August 11, 2008 by geneticfreak Quote Link to comment
ray004 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 pansin ko lang kay brock mabilis din mapagod Quote Link to comment
geneticfreak Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 pansin ko lang kay brock mabilis din mapagod Well that's the price of trying to be "explosive" in your movement while carrying that amount of muscle mass. (That flying knee attempt right off the bell was quite something. ehehe). But then again it could have been the "butterflies" also. Brock was trying to prove he was legit so he probabbly had that at the back of his head all the time he was in there and it's given that stress does cause you to fatigue a lot quicker. He was a lot more relaxed though as the fight wore on. Even nodding his head to the crowd while they were chanting his name, eventually relishing the experience of dominating Heath Herring and being a winner in the octagon. Quote Link to comment
ray004 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 i was waiting for him to be more explosive during the latter rounds after that devastating first punch..after the fight i thought i just saw him deliver 2 solid punches. other than that he was just contented to be on top of heath. just my observation Quote Link to comment
fatso8 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 im not yet sold on Brock (parang Houston Alexander, flash in the pan.. ), pero he was impressive.. Di ko pa din sya nakitang masuntok ng solid.. plus,Dan Miragliotta poked herring's eye! Quote Link to comment
riceb0i Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 i was waiting for him to be more explosive during the latter rounds after that devastating first punch..after the fight i thought i just saw him deliver 2 solid punches. other than that he was just contented to be on top of heath. just my observationi don't know chief, Brock was explosive the whole fight, he'd take down Heath with authority and i felt bad about it because Heath didn't know what to do everytime he was under Lesnar. i didn't expect Brock to be that athletic for his size & i was rooting for Heath, but man o man, after that first right hand that tumbled Heath the match was decided. i can't say Brock is like a Houston, yups he's never tasted a solid shot & we don't know if his chin is solid as well, but i just can't think of anyone in the HW division of UFC that can match up to that quickness and power as of present, Cain Velasquez? maybe, but probably not, he'd be the one i'd compare to Houston since he never tasted the end of a 2nd round in a fight. Napao & Brock would be good to see, i'd say Napao has a solid chin sort of & probably can roll to a sub victory against Brock's GnP Quote Link to comment
ixnay Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 (edited) plus,Dan Miragliotta poked herring's eye! hahaha... that could be a bad omen as joe rogan said it!... its quite a good outing this time for brock as he completely dominated the texas crazy horse. that first punch has so much power that really rocked & bloodied heath herring early. GSP proved that he has the complete arsenal in the welterweight division. next in line would be a collission with BJ Penn which surely will bring the house down. also, kudos to jon fitch for bringing the fight but was just outclassed by the champ. KenFlo was also great in his outing against the huerta. Edited August 11, 2008 by ixnay Quote Link to comment
Solitude00 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Affliction vs UFC? Hehehe ... Emelianenko vs Lesnar would be interesting to see. I don't think Fedor has fought a man as Large and as "Explosive" as Lesnar. Though seeing Emelianenko in action against Tim Sylvia in Affliction: Banned really was something else. Quote Link to comment
Serial Killer Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 My UFC 87 picks: Brock LesnarGSPKenFlo am i good in picking or what? damn, ako lang ata tama sa mga predictions dito. Quote Link to comment
kuya willie Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Affliction vs UFC? Hehehe ... Emelianenko vs Lesnar would be interesting to see. I don't think Fedor has fought a man as Large and as "Explosive" as Lesnar. Though seeing Emelianenko in action against Tim Sylvia in Affliction: Banned really was something else. hahahaha Fedor will destroy Brock Ground and pound lang itong si brock eh, pag nahuli ng armbar ni fedor yan, tapos agad si lesnar Quote Link to comment
geneticfreak Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Affliction vs UFC? Hehehe ... Emelianenko vs Lesnar would be interesting to see. I don't think Fedor has fought a man as Large and as "Explosive" as Lesnar. Though seeing Emelianenko in action against Tim Sylvia in Affliction: Banned really was something else. I don't know about explosive but Fedor has fought opponents larger and stronger than Brock Lesnar and has been very impressive. His last fight before the Affliction PPV was against a massive 300 pound Korean named Hong Mang Choi (who even managed to get in a lil GNP on Fedor before eventually getting submitted with an armbar from the guard). The korean did even better than big Timmy against Fedor in my opinion. Quote Link to comment
geneticfreak Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 (edited) KenFlo was also great in his outing against the huerta. Yup yup. He did exactly what he had to do to counter Huerta's "brawling" style, which was to stick and move and "mix it up". From the outset Ken Flo was always the better technical striker than Huerta and Huerta's often "devil may care" style does leave a lot of openings, not just for strikes but for takedowns and submission attempts as well. To put it simply, Ken Flo just "picked him apart". Edited August 12, 2008 by geneticfreak Quote Link to comment
geneticfreak Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 i was waiting for him to be more explosive during the latter rounds after that devastating first punch..after the fight i thought i just saw him deliver 2 solid punches. other than that he was just contented to be on top of heath. just my observation We call that "riding" in wrestling sir. To make up for his lack of BJJ experience (and to counter that of Herring's) he was simply content to stay on his back and control him. He was simply avoiding a repeat of what happened to him when he fought Frank Mir. Quote Link to comment
mistergold Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 brock the killer....hehehehehe Quote Link to comment
riceb0i Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 (edited) hahaha with that win over Herring, i guess its too much hype they give Brock. okay okay Heath is a solid fighter, but what Brock said he wasn't prepared for Brock, he didn't had tapes to review, nothing to base on what would Brock do since the fight with Mir isn't exactly a good tape to review. but yeah Brock won that fight save the kneebar he tapped out of. even now someone is saying he'd like to see Brock fight Fedor, i mean if you wan't to see how easily the cookie crumbles then i'd say they should go at it. but in reality, Brock's just starting to make a name for himself, he'd not even be matched up against Napao since Gab would have a huge percentage of subbing Brock from the guard, so i would presume Brock would be fighting strikers until his BJJ gets good to a level that he can pull of subs instead of just sitting on an opponent and try to bash his head off. Edited August 12, 2008 by riceb0i Quote Link to comment
ambrosio Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 ^ Nice point bro... He still has a lot of work to do with his BJJ Quote Link to comment
JustSmile=) Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 (edited) YEY!! Philippines is on top of the list that Dana and the UFC plans to go to... UFC goes worldwide... First stop, Philippines!! Hope Dana puts an awesome card on their visit in the Philippines.. Can't wait... Edited August 12, 2008 by G_sKiLLz Quote Link to comment
TheButcher Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 YEY!! Philippines is on top of the list that Dana and the UFC plans to go to... UFC goes worldwide... First stop, Philippines!! Hope Dana puts an awesome card on their visit in the Philippines.. Can't wait... nice! sana mga top playes dalin nila dito. Quote Link to comment
geneticfreak Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 (edited) ^ Nice point bro... He still has a lot of work to do with his BJJ Well yes he does. But then again how much of how his BJJ develops will also depend on how it will fit with the way he fights. As Joe Rogan said, some guys would rather ride and GNP (guys like Tito or Randy). Brock is a former Division 1 NCAA Wrestling Champion, he 's a wrestler and that will always be his strength. As for his BJJ the most I think that he needs to develop is his submission defense and maybe that would be enough for him to win even against the toughest competition. In terms of ground control and base Brock already has that courtesy of his wrestling (He spent majority of the fight either on Herring's back or on mount if you remember). If he can keep that kind of base and posture and know how to defend submissions even the Napao's and the Nog's of the world would have a hard time with him. Keep in mind that BJJ in MMA is different. The fact that it's no gi favors Brock as there are less submissions to defend. Also it does get a lot harder to submit someone as an MMA fight wears on cause of the excess sweat (and blood). Add to that the fact that he has the first hands in the UFC to ever wear 4XL gloves and his fists can cause a lot of damage even within someone's guard. Speaking of BJJ. That Damian Meia dude is a real badass on the ground. He nearly got Jason McDonald(another talented ground specialist) in a triangle choke during the first round of their fight and eventually got him in a rear naked choke to finish him off. Edited August 13, 2008 by geneticfreak Quote Link to comment
geneticfreak Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 nice! sana mga top playes dalin nila dito. well yah, and I also do hope they do a good job promoting the event here. The first time an international fight outfit tried to do a major show here, Araneta coliseum wasn't even half full in my estimate. Quote Link to comment
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