Duterte's Presidency : Expectations, Controversies, Rants, Etc.

rooster69ph · November 13, 2017

Sir, your question if nasa metro manila ka and ang hospital is nasa nueva ecija pupunta ka pa din ba dun? of course. Kahit nasa Baguio ba siya pupunta ako dun dahil dun lang ako gagaling e. Same with drug rehab. If gusto may paraan, if ayaw puro dahilan. If gusto ng family na gumaling siya, they will put him inside no matter how far the rehab center is. Though in the long run, dun pa lang darating ang mga issues like family support, ung mga pagdalaw dalaw. Pero sa start hindi. And I'll have to agree that it was built para ma support ang war against drugs ng presidente. Minadali. But for me critical talaga ang drug problems sa Pinas. Very scary. And it's also the same reason why Digong won. By the way correct me if im wrong, pero may ibang rehab center pa din ata within the METRO tama ba? Though may bayad nga lang. And mahal.

The scenario is kung taga maynila ka at may ospital naman sa maynila bakit ka pa pupunta sa nueva ecija upang magpagaling. Siyempre ang baseline assumption natin jan eh all things being equal di ba.

May government owned and private owned na drug centers naman within metro manila as well as in other provinces although kokonti nga lang. But for discussion lets focus lang sa government owned rehab center. Kaya nga ang suggestion dagdagan pa ito to make it more accessible and convenient sa mga gusto magbago. Imbes na isang napakalaki e bakit hindi 10 maliliit? Kung taga maynila ako bakit ako pupunta sa nueva ecija kung pwede naman sa existing rehab sa may taguig. Now if malapit naman sa iyo ang nueva ecija kaysa taguig then obviously it makes sense na sa nueva ecija ka pumasok.

Tama naman na sabihin kung gusto may paraan kung ayaw may dahilan. But lets face it when you are dealing with drug dependents ano sa palagay mo ang probability na ang mga ito ay kusang magbabago dahil nagising sila isang umaga at namulat na dapat na nilang maging drug free? This is a real problem so lets be realisting in dealing with possible solutions. Ang aking malamang di na nga magkusa ang mga yan magbago bibigyan mo pa ng dahilan magdalawang isip magbago. Halimbawa naisipan ni juan magbago para sa kanyang kaisa-isang pinakamamahal na anak at asawa kaya willing na magparehab pero ilang buwan o taong na malamang hindi sila magkita. Imspirasyon nga niya ang magina niya sa pagbabago ipagkakait mo na di niya makita ang magina? It plays a factor in the decision. Yun pagbabago mahirap na nga gusto mo pang dagdagan ang paghihirap? Hindi ba pagnagisip tayo ng solusyon yun pinaka effective ang gusto natin hindi kahit ano na lang nandiyan tutal pag gusto may paraan naman

When you said "critical" ang problema ng droga sa Pilipinas maybe you have to qualify it. Oo this problem on drugs has always been there but is it our number one problem to the point of being "critical"? Before duterte well ang sinasabi sa survey pagtaas ng bilihin, kakulangan sa kita in other words kahirapan sa buhay, yan ang laging pangunahing problema na isinisigaw ng bayan. Sa totoo lang mas malaking issue pa ang palpak na mrt kaysa droga before he became president dahil yun ang mas madalas na nirereklamo ng taong bayan. Then suddenly duterte comes in at sinasabi malaki problema sa droga, because of his popularity ayun dumami na nagsasabi droga ang number one problem o issue. Hindi kaya dahil para maiba kontra droga ang naging plataporma niya so he had to sow fear to the public on the issue to sell that there is a problem and only him can solve this. And despite as you said critical ang problema natin sa droga, the magnitude of this problem what did he promise? His campaign promise is susugpuin niya in 6 months diba? And what, only to say later on nun nanalo na siya hindi niya kaya. Eh yun mga nauto napasubo na ... Pwede ba balik taya? Kahit naman gusto ninyo wala nang magagawa. Sa umpisa napakaraming naniniwala he can deliver most of his promises not only on drugs, but the recent survey shows padami na ng padami ang nagdududa sa kakayahang yan.

rooster69ph · November 13, 2017

una is that your assumption na puro tga Nueva Ecija lng ang nagparehab?

u cant also assume na kung ggwin mung 10 drug center ay magiging efficient din yan kc hindi nga seryoso ang mga nagsisuko na user or pusher... hindi kb nakakapanood ng balita khit sa youtube meron mga brgy officials na nagsasabi itigil na yung gawain, even yung pamilya. ang problema kc yung tao, ang pagiging seryosong magbago eh kung dun sila kumikita bkit ka magpaparehab?

cguro nman nabalitaan mo rin yung isang dealer pinatay yung isang runner kc hindi nagreremit at itinuturo pa sila sa mga parak para mahuli...

again wag iliteral... figure of speech lng yun!

Logically which is easier to fully utilize the 10000 capacity mega rehab center located in nueva ecija or 10 smaller centers spread across the country?

What we are talking here is drug users not pushers...kung pusher/user ka tama yan pinupunto mo na pinagkakakitaan nila yan kaya mas mahirap. What about yun habitual users o experimental users na nalulong? Dun muna tayo sa simple...10000 capacity lang naman pinagtatalunan natin pare-pareho dito.

Bottomline is this, valid point naman ang issue na hindi seryoso ang mga users magbago pero sa tingin ko valid point din yun issue na maganda pa rin na di inilalayo sa support system ang mga users na gustong magbago. Ang tanong ko nga ano ba ang naging pagaaral ng gobyerno regarding the optimal utilization of building the mega rehab center? Did they assume basta nagpalista sa tokhang eh magbabago na lahat yun? Ano ba ang naging assumptions nila to build it in nueva ecija and bakit ganun kalaki ang capacity? Did they even consider building more smaller centers in various places, if so then bakit hindi ito ang napili. Mali ba sa pananaw nila si Santiago o baka naman tama siya pero napahiya kaya ayun sinibak. So far wala akong nakikitang pinasisinungalingan nila ang mga pinagsasabi ni Santiago na kung saan mas effective yun gusto niyang isulong na programa. Ang nakikita lang natin ay mga palusot na pwede naman magamit sa ibang paraan yun rehab center. Kung gayon e di hindi na rehab center ang dapat pinatayo kundi military housing o office na lang.

tk421 · November 14, 2017

Baka naman gusto nila gawin sanang Amusement park/zoo yun mega rehab kaya ganun kalaki?

rooster69ph · November 14, 2017

Baka naman gusto nila gawin sanang Amusement park/zoo yun mega rehab kaya ganun kalaki?

Well madami naman animal/hayup at payaso na nasa gobyerno di ba?

But seriously sa tingin ko kasi poor planning talaga. Haste make waste ika nga. Pagkaupo ng presidente he has to do something drastic siyempre nangako siyang 6 months tatapusin niya problema sa droga. So ayun malawakang operasyon tokhang na may pagbabantang kapag di sumuko o magpalista baka mapatay ka. Addict man ang mga yan takot pa rin mapatay ang mga yan. Yun ngang mahuli silang user natatakot na yun pa kayang mapatay. So after oplan tokhang what's next? Madaming nagsasabi hindi naman natatapos sa pagsuko at pagbabago ng isang user. The gov't has to provide rehab support na alam natin kulang na kulang based sa magnitude ng drug problem ng bansa. So next move is to build a rehab center. Ayun na ....sa excitement dahil nga naman may nag offer magdonate ayun di na gaanong pinagaralan siguro yun optimal usage basta nakahanap ng malaking property that where a mega rehab center can be built go na. Ang yabang nga naman nila the biggest rehab center ever built by a philippine president.

Poor planning if there was indeed any planning made as to where to build and what capacity should be built. Tapos blame the drug users for not seriously wanting to change? Ang dali kasi magturo o isisi sa iba ang kapalpakan.

Edited November 14, 2017 by rooster69ph

Jasonkidd · November 14, 2017

The scenario is kung taga maynila ka at may ospital naman sa maynila bakit ka pa pupunta sa nueva ecija upang magpagaling. Siyempre ang baseline assumption natin jan eh all things being equal di ba.

May government owned and private owned na drug centers naman within metro manila as well as in other provinces although kokonti nga lang. But for discussion lets focus lang sa government owned rehab center. Kaya nga ang suggestion dagdagan pa ito to make it more accessible and convenient sa mga gusto magbago. Imbes na isang napakalaki e bakit hindi 10 maliliit? Kung taga maynila ako bakit ako pupunta sa nueva ecija kung pwede naman sa existing rehab sa may taguig. Now if malapit naman sa iyo ang nueva ecija kaysa taguig then obviously it makes sense na sa nueva ecija ka pumasok.

Tama naman na sabihin kung gusto may paraan kung ayaw may dahilan. But lets face it when you are dealing with drug dependents ano sa palagay mo ang probability na ang mga ito ay kusang magbabago dahil nagising sila isang umaga at namulat na dapat na nilang maging drug free? This is a real problem so lets be realisting in dealing with possible solutions. Ang aking malamang di na nga magkusa ang mga yan magbago bibigyan mo pa ng dahilan magdalawang isip magbago. Halimbawa naisipan ni juan magbago para sa kanyang kaisa-isang pinakamamahal na anak at asawa kaya willing na magparehab pero ilang buwan o taong na malamang hindi sila magkita. Imspirasyon nga niya ang magina niya sa pagbabago ipagkakait mo na di niya makita ang magina? It plays a factor in the decision. Yun pagbabago mahirap na nga gusto mo pang dagdagan ang paghihirap? Hindi ba pagnagisip tayo ng solusyon yun pinaka effective ang gusto natin hindi kahit ano na lang nandiyan tutal pag gusto may paraan naman

When you said "critical" ang problema ng droga sa Pilipinas maybe you have to qualify it. Oo this problem on drugs has always been there but is it our number one problem to the point of being "critical"? Before duterte well ang sinasabi sa survey pagtaas ng bilihin, kakulangan sa kita in other words kahirapan sa buhay, yan ang laging pangunahing problema na isinisigaw ng bayan. Sa totoo lang mas malaking issue pa ang palpak na mrt kaysa droga before he became president dahil yun ang mas madalas na nirereklamo ng taong bayan. Then suddenly duterte comes in at sinasabi malaki problema sa droga, because of his popularity ayun dumami na nagsasabi droga ang number one problem o issue. Hindi kaya dahil para maiba kontra droga ang naging plataporma niya so he had to sow fear to the public on the issue to sell that there is a problem and only him can solve this. And despite as you said critical ang problema natin sa droga, the magnitude of this problem what did he promise? His campaign promise is susugpuin niya in 6 months diba? And what, only to say later on nun nanalo na siya hindi niya kaya. Eh yun mga nauto napasubo na ... Pwede ba balik taya? Kahit naman gusto ninyo wala nang magagawa. Sa umpisa napakaraming naniniwala he can deliver most of his promises not only on drugs, but the recent survey shows padami na ng padami ang nagdududa sa kakayahang yan.

Yes. I do agree na much better na mas accesible sana sa kanila ang rehab center. It will be like you've said an inspiration sana if someone he cares and loves is there to support him morally. BUT, hindi siya malapit e. So, it all boils down to are you willing to make the sacrifice? Are they? It's like working abroad. They should be willing to make the sacrifice too. Meron naman sa Pinas ang trabaho, but lesser pay, so they chose to work abroad. 2 years 3 years din ang kontrata. Mas maganda sana kung andyan ang family for the moral support, but wala. And still they continue to do so. If they want rehab, then they need to make the sacrifice. Mahirap, but for his own future, kelangan. And also, Im not saying na tama ha. BUT, andun na, pointing fingers wont do any good. And the reason of the patient that rehab center is very far is not and won't ever be a valid reason.

rooster69ph · November 14, 2017

Yes. I do agree na much better na mas accesible sana sa kanila ang rehab center. It will be like you've said an inspiration sana if someone he cares and loves is there to support him morally. BUT, hindi siya malapit e. So, it all boils down to are you willing to make the sacrifice? Are they? It's like working abroad. They should be willing to make the sacrifice too. Meron naman sa Pinas ang trabaho, but lesser pay, so they chose to work abroad. 2 years 3 years din ang kontrata. Mas maganda sana kung andyan ang family for the moral support, but wala. And still they continue to do so. If they want rehab, then they need to make the sacrifice. Mahirap, but for his own future, kelangan. And also, Im not saying na tama ha. BUT, andun na, pointing fingers wont do any good. And the reason of the patient that rehab center is very far is not and won't ever be a valid reason.

Well different scenarios here ...

Galing sila sa iba't-ibang lugar. sumangayon ka na much better kung accessible. Ang tanong ko nga hindi lang naman sa nueva ecija may rehab center sa ngayon so bakit sila pupunta sa malayo kung mayroong mas malapit? Remember the mega rehab center is not the only rehab center operated by the government today. Kasalanan ba nila pumunta sa mas malapit na rehab center imbes na tangkilikin yun mega rehab center? Yan ang pagkakaiba sa example mo na ofw ... Wala siyang choice kasi doon lang yun trabahong magbibigay sa kanya ng pagasang mabago niya ang kanyang buhay dahil sa mas malaking sahod. But if he can get the same pay here do you think he will make that sacrifice?

But again the main issue is this ...sabi nga haste makes waste. Therefore tama ba ang desisyon na mega drug center ang itinayo o mas maganda yun mas marami na mass maliliit na community based rehab center na sinasabi ni Santiago? Pinagisipan dapat sa simula kaysa naman padalos-dalos tapos pilit ninyong gustong isubo at tangkilikin ngayong di ito nagtagumpay. Sop ang magkaroon ng project study. At isa dito ay alamin kung ano ba ang gugustuhin o tatangkilikin ng target market which in this case is yun mga users na magpaparehab. Dapat nga may pagaaral pa sila sa expected occupancy rate. Kung yun meron ngang pagaaral eh sumasablay paano pa kaya kung wala at aasa na lang sa tiwala sa sarili nila na dahil yan ang hinain nila ay siyang kakainin? Good luck na lang at bahala na si super Digong?

Sa mga sagot at palusot ng gobyerno mukhang walang masusing pagaaral na ginawa tungkol dito at basta na lang ipinatayo ang ganun capacity sa lugar kung saan may available na lupag pagtitirikan.

Jasonkidd · November 14, 2017

Well different scenarios here ...
Galing sila sa iba't-ibang lugar. sumangayon ka na much better kung accessible. Ang tanong ko nga hindi lang naman sa nueva ecija may rehab center sa ngayon so bakit sila pupunta sa malayo kung mayroong mas malapit? Remember the mega rehab center is not the only rehab center operated by the government today. Kasalanan ba nila pumunta sa mas malapit na rehab center imbes na tangkilikin yun mega rehab center? Yan ang pagkakaiba sa example mo na ofw ... Wala siyang choice kasi doon lang yun trabahong magbibigay sa kanya ng pagasang mabago niya ang kanyang buhay dahil sa mas malaking sahod. But if he can get the same pay here do you think he will make that sacrifice?
But again the main issue is this ...sabi nga haste makes waste. Therefore tama ba ang desisyon na mega drug center ang itinayo o mas maganda yun mas marami na mass maliliit na community based rehab center na sinasabi ni Santiago? Pinagisipan dapat sa simula kaysa naman padalos-dalos tapos pilit ninyong gustong isubo at tangkilikin ngayong di ito nagtagumpay. Sop ang magkaroon ng project study. At isa dito ay alamin kung ano ba ang gugustuhin o tatangkilikin ng target market which in this case is yun mga users na magpaparehab. Dapat nga may pagaaral pa sila sa expected occupancy rate. Kung yun meron ngang pagaaral eh sumasablay paano pa kaya kung wala at aasa na lang sa tiwala sa sarili nila na dahil yan ang hinain nila ay siyang kakainin? Good luck na lang at bahala na si super Digong?
Sa mga sagot at palusot ng gobyerno mukhang walang masusing pagaaral na ginawa tungkol dito at basta na lang ipinatayo ang ganun capacity sa lugar kung saan may available na lupag pagtitirikan.

For me doesnt matter if tangkilikin man or hindi ung mega drug rehab center. If may pera ka at gusto mo mas malapit sa area niyo GO. And I've heard hindi mura ang mga rehab centers na yan. BUT, if wala kayo or gipit kayo, welcome kayo sa mega rehab centers na malayo, but dont make any excuse of not going into rehab dahil mahal, kaya nga andito ang gobyerno para suportahan ang pagpapagamot nila. And san ka man magpa rehab doesnt matter, importante magpa rehab ka. The mega rehab center wasnt built to earn profit, but to accomodate the many drug users. Same as ofws, pwede silang mag work dito at a lesser pay, pero kasama pamilya nila, or at a higher pay, malayo sa pamilya. Some of them chose the former, but many of them sacrificed for the latter. And "no choice sila" isn't the right words. Santiago has his point actually. But telling it to the public it was a "mistake" at naging "excited" lang ang presidente. Sounds offensive to me. Kahit ako I will fire him. Ang tamang term should be sana magpatayo pa tayo within the metro area nang sa ganun mas malapit sila sa mga mahal nila sa buhay na pwedeng suportahan ang kanilang pagbabago.

rooster69ph · November 14, 2017

For me doesnt matter if tangkilikin man or hindi ung mega drug rehab center. If may pera ka at gusto mo mas malapit sa area niyo GO. And I've heard hindi mura ang mga rehab centers na yan. BUT, if wala kayo or gipit kayo, welcome kayo sa mega rehab centers na malayo, but dont make any excuse of not going into rehab dahil mahal, kaya nga andito ang gobyerno para suportahan ang pagpapagamot nila. And san ka man magpa rehab doesnt matter, importante magpa rehab ka. The mega rehab center wasnt built to earn profit, but to accomodate the many drug users. Same as ofws, pwede silang mag work dito at a lesser pay, pero kasama pamilya nila, or at a higher pay, malayo sa pamilya. Some of them chose the former, but many of them sacrificed for the latter. And "no choice sila" isn't the right words. Santiago has his point actually. But telling it to the public it was a "mistake" at naging "excited" lang ang presidente. Sounds offensive to me. Kahit ako I will fire him. Ang tamang term should be sana magpatayo pa tayo within the metro area nang sa ganun mas malapit sila sa mga mahal nila sa buhay na pwedeng suportahan ang kanilang pagbabago.

Balat sibuyas lang yun lodi mo ... Aware ka naman sa salitang constructive criticism? Kung talagang it was a mistake what's wrong in telling the truth? But yes as president he has the right to hire and fire his appointees at his pleasure regardless of but it shows the king of person he is. However we are not here to debate about Santiago's firing but to debate on whether builing it was really a mistake or not. On the side yun "PI ka pope" dahil nagkatraffic nun pumunta ka dito hindi ba offensive? I always believe kung kaya mong bumitaw kayanin mo rin tumanggap. Sports lang kasi pikon talo.

Again let me reiterate we are only talking of government owned rehab centers here para wala nang ibang issues as to mahal ba ang magpagamot etc. And sa ngayon there are various government rehab centers hindi lang yun nueva ecija. The main issue we are talking of is what decision should have been made and not how to justify its existence.

Tangkilikin man o hindi wala nang magagawa diyan kasi naitayo na di ba? Ang pinagtatalunan dito ay kung nasayang ba ang resources ngayong hindi naman na accomplish nito ang gustong objective which is madaming users sana ang matulungan magbago. Wag na natin gawin argumento na ayaw kasi nila magbago...given na hindi lahat ng sumuko sa tokhang ay seryosong magbago. Pero sa mga gusto magbago bakit ba bibigyan pa ng gobyerno ng dahlias magdalawang isip dahil ang mga ito na pumasok sa isang rehab kung may magagawa naman sila by planning for it properly at hindi yun bara-bara tapos pag palpak isisisi sa iba imbes na aminin na poor planning on their part.

While the mega rehab center is not built to earn profit i think we would be in a common position to say that the government envisioned to increase the capacity of our existing rehab centers in order to accomodate as much people that can be accomodated. As such it brings me back to the question pinagaralan ba ng maige bago nagdesisyon na mega drug rehab ang kailangan hindi yun mas maliliit na community based. Pinagaralan ba kung ano ang mas tatangkilikin o mas convenient sa "target market" nila ... Yun ay kung they did carefully though of their target market. O baka naman convenience lang nila ang inisip nila dahil under pressure sila to show that there will be sufficient rehab center capacity to support the war on drugs. Itong lahat ng ito ginawa bago ipinatayo hindi yun basta na lang nagdesisyon na hindi pinagisipan at ipinatayo. Ngayong hindi fully utilized sisisihin mo un addict kung bakit ayaw pumunta doon. Ganito lang yan ha ako halimbawa yun china sabi ko gusto kitang tulungan pagpapatayuan kita ng bahay. Pag dito sa metro manila mo gusto may 15 sqm ka na bahay at kung doon sa probinsiya naman 100 sqm. Eh na excite ka dahil napakalaking bahay nga naman ang mapapasaiyo kung doon sa probinsiya ang pipiliin mo so yun ang naging desisyon mo. Ayun sa araw ng paglilipat tutol asawa at anak mo sa kung anong dahilan kaya sa huli ikaw lang ang tumitira doon. masisisi mo ba ang kaanak mo na kung bakit hindi sila magsakripisyo at sumama sa iyo? Eh sa simula pa lang bakit hindi mo kasi sila kinausap at pinagisipan ninyo mabuti kung ano ang mas gugustuhin ng nakakarami at hindi kung ano ang gusto mo lang.

Sabi nga you can only manage what you can control. Kung magpaplano ka at napakaraming uncontrollable factors na hindi covered then your plan is in for a disaster. Alin ba sa dalawa ang mas magandang desisyon sana kung ang objective mo ay makatulong? Sabi nga kung tutulong ka na lang naman wag mo nang pahirapan. Ganun din yun rehab center. Kung ang objective nito ay makatulong sa pagbabago eh kung kaya naman gawin mas accessible at convenient bakit hindi?

Edited November 14, 2017 by rooster69ph

daphne loves derby · November 15, 2017

70%.... nuff said

http://www.bsp.gov.ph/publications/media.asp?id=4532

JFK · November 15, 2017

70%.... nuff said

http://www.bsp.gov.ph/publications/media.asp?id=4532

Congrats once again, President D30!!! :)

JFK · November 15, 2017

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/162543/trump-tells-medialdea-tell-rodrigo-i-like-him-very-much-duterte-asean-summit-2017asean-medialdea

http://www.manilatimes.net/duterte-warns-one-downside-globalization-brain-brawn-drain/362839/

http://www.tribune.net.ph/commentary/rody-s-critics-spurned

darksoulriver · November 15, 2017

3,307. total capacity ng mga drug centers sa BUONG PILIPINAS. Average capacity is at 50 per drug center. Ikumpara mo ito sa 10,000 mega drug rehab center na 400 lang ang patients. Hatiin mo sa 10 ang mega drug rehab center at ikalat ito sa mga siyudad or probinsya na nangangailangan talaga ng tulong eh malamang. Nagamit pa ng husto ang capacity ng ginawa nila.

sa tingin mo ba lahat yan fully utilized?

eh sa dami ng nagpalista na sumuko o natakot o nangako titigil na gagamit ng shabu eh pumunta ba sa mga nasabi mung rehab center? maaring iilan pero hindi lahat!

khit gwin mo pang 10 bagong rehab center yung pondo na ginamit kung gaya nga ng sinabi ni JK khit malayo, inconvenient, mura o mahal dapat may sakripisyo at seryosong magbago!

Jasonkidd · November 15, 2017

Balat sibuyas lang yun lodi mo ... Aware ka naman sa salitang constructive criticism? Kung talagang it was a mistake what's wrong in telling the truth? But yes as president he has the right to hire and fire his appointees at his pleasure regardless of but it shows the king of person he is. However we are not here to debate about Santiago's firing but to debate on whether builing it was really a mistake or not. On the side yun "PI ka pope" dahil nagkatraffic nun pumunta ka dito hindi ba offensive? I always believe kung kaya mong bumitaw kayanin mo rin tumanggap. Sports lang kasi pikon talo.
Again let me reiterate we are only talking of government owned rehab centers here para wala nang ibang issues as to mahal ba ang magpagamot etc. And sa ngayon there are various government rehab centers hindi lang yun nueva ecija. The main issue we are talking of is what decision should have been made and not how to justify its existence.
Tangkilikin man o hindi wala nang magagawa diyan kasi naitayo na di ba? Ang pinagtatalunan dito ay kung nasayang ba ang resources ngayong hindi naman na accomplish nito ang gustong objective which is madaming users sana ang matulungan magbago. Wag na natin gawin argumento na ayaw kasi nila magbago...given na hindi lahat ng sumuko sa tokhang ay seryosong magbago. Pero sa mga gusto magbago bakit ba bibigyan pa ng gobyerno ng dahlias magdalawang isip dahil ang mga ito na pumasok sa isang rehab kung may magagawa naman sila by planning for it properly at hindi yun bara-bara tapos pag palpak isisisi sa iba imbes na aminin na poor planning on their part.
While the mega rehab center is not built to earn profit i think we would be in a common position to say that the government envisioned to increase the capacity of our existing rehab centers in order to accomodate as much people that can be accomodated. As such it brings me back to the question pinagaralan ba ng maige bago nagdesisyon na mega drug rehab ang kailangan hindi yun mas maliliit na community based. Pinagaralan ba kung ano ang mas tatangkilikin o mas convenient sa "target market" nila ... Yun ay kung they did carefully though of their target market. O baka naman convenience lang nila ang inisip nila dahil under pressure sila to show that there will be sufficient rehab center capacity to support the war on drugs. Itong lahat ng ito ginawa bago ipinatayo hindi yun basta na lang nagdesisyon na hindi pinagisipan at ipinatayo. Ngayong hindi fully utilized sisisihin mo un addict kung bakit ayaw pumunta doon. Ganito lang yan ha ako halimbawa yun china sabi ko gusto kitang tulungan pagpapatayuan kita ng bahay. Pag dito sa metro manila mo gusto may 15 sqm ka na bahay at kung doon sa probinsiya naman 100 sqm. Eh na excite ka dahil napakalaking bahay nga naman ang mapapasaiyo kung doon sa probinsiya ang pipiliin mo so yun ang naging desisyon mo. Ayun sa araw ng paglilipat tutol asawa at anak mo sa kung anong dahilan kaya sa huli ikaw lang ang tumitira doon. masisisi mo ba ang kaanak mo na kung bakit hindi sila magsakripisyo at sumama sa iyo? Eh sa simula pa lang bakit hindi mo kasi sila kinausap at pinagisipan ninyo mabuti kung ano ang mas gugustuhin ng nakakarami at hindi kung ano ang gusto mo lang.
Sabi nga you can only manage what you can control. Kung magpaplano ka at napakaraming uncontrollable factors na hindi covered then your plan is in for a disaster. Alin ba sa dalawa ang mas magandang desisyon sana kung ang objective mo ay makatulong? Sabi nga kung tutulong ka na lang naman wag mo nang pahirapan. Ganun din yun rehab center. Kung ang objective nito ay makatulong sa pagbabago eh kung kaya naman gawin mas accessible at convenient bakit hindi?

Balat sibuyas? Pwede. BUT. MALI PA DIN SI SANTIAGO. Kelangan ba sabihin sa lahat na nagkamali or naexcite ang presidente? Na sana sinabi na lang niya sa mismong presidente? ANONG LAYUNIN NIYA? Now. Lets set aside politics and let me set an example sa sports naman. LA Revilla took to twitter his disappointment KIA trader Christian Standhardinger. What happened? He was traded after a few days. Balat sibuyas din ang KIA Management? Well he was just expressing himself. At tama naman siya a. He wants the best for his team. Anong nangyari? Anong paliwanag ng KIA? Dapat sa management siya nakipag usap and not taking it to twitter. Just the same. If Santiago has any issues. Take it straight to the president and hindi sa media.

Now. One of MTC members posted a the goverment owned rehab center accross the country. So meaning. Meron na din palang mga kalat na rehab centers. And like Ive said. Andyan na ung Mega Rehab Center. Will it do any good na sana ung mas maliit na lang na kalat. Or sana hindi na lang gnyan kalaki. Or sayang ang kuryente. Well kung kuryente lang, you dont need to open all of the lights. Part of it lang. Instead of saying it was a mistake and sana mas malapit na lng. Why not think of other things na sana may shutttle for the family members para madalaw nila ung mga mahal nila sa buhay na nagpapa rehab. We can't change what is already there. Pointing fingers won't do any good. And kung gusto nila malapit. Dapat ba bawat area meron? So how many cities and towns do we have? Dapat lahat meron? Or they will be using the same line that the rehab is too far.

Jasonkidd · November 15, 2017

Idinaan daw ba sa figure of speech. Ayos yan brad.

3,307. total capacity ng mga drug centers sa BUONG PILIPINAS. Average capacity is at 50 per drug center. Ikumpara mo ito sa 10,000 mega drug rehab center na 400 lang ang patients. Hatiin mo sa 10 ang mega drug rehab center at ikalat ito sa mga siyudad or probinsya na nangangailangan talaga ng tulong eh malamang. Nagamit pa ng husto ang capacity ng ginawa nila.

Overflowing na ba ang tao? Pag hindi na talaga kasya then may point ka. Other than that, andyan na ung sinasabi mong hatiin sa sampu ung mega rehab na yan. Bakit mo pa hahatiin kung ung iilan lang na rehab centers e hindi mapuno?

ouefcocque · November 15, 2017

Balat sibuyas? Pwede. BUT. MALI PA DIN SI SANTIAGO. Kelangan ba sabihin sa lahat na nagkamali or naexcite ang presidente? Na sana sinabi na lang niya sa mismong presidente? ANONG LAYUNIN NIYA? Now. Lets set aside politics and let me set an example sa sports naman. LA Revilla took to twitter his disappointment KIA trader Christian Standhardinger. What happened? He was traded after a few days. Balat sibuyas din ang KIA Management? Well he was just expressing himself. At tama naman siya a. He wants the best for his team. Anong nangyari? Anong paliwanag ng KIA? Dapat sa management siya nakipag usap and not taking it to twitter. Just the same. If Santiago has any issues. Take it straight to the president and hindi sa media.

Now. One of MTC members posted a the goverment owned rehab center accross the country. So meaning. Meron na din palang mga kalat na rehab centers. And like Ive said. Andyan na ung Mega Rehab Center. Will it do any good na sana ung mas maliit na lang na kalat. Or sana hindi na lang gnyan kalaki. Or sayang ang kuryente. Well kung kuryente lang, you dont need to open all of the lights. Part of it lang. Instead of saying it was a mistake and sana mas malapit na lng. Why not think of other things na sana may shutttle for the family members para madalaw nila ung mga mahal nila sa buhay na nagpapa rehab. We can't change what is already there. Pointing fingers won't do any good. And kung gusto nila malapit. Dapat ba bawat area meron? So how many cities and towns do we have? Dapat lahat meron? Or they will be using the same line that the rehab is too far.

While I value the opinion of Santiago on the said rehab center, he said his piece at the most inopportune moment. He could have said that on a further study and submit it to the PRRD, at least dun he can have all the evidence to back it up. What happened that time is primetime ethics complaint material.

(Take note: I use the term 'ethics complaint' pretty liberally here)

That said, we should stick to the discussion at hand (on whether the mega rehab is a boom or bust for the country) if we are trying to discuss several aspects of PRRD's drug policies here. I don't really have problems with a mega rehab, though I heard from several sources na medyo ill-advised nga siya.

That said, I still think PRRD's anti-drug policy is still good, at least on paper. But, the other part of policymaking is what happens on its implementation.

Jasonkidd · November 15, 2017

While I value the opinion of Santiago on the said rehab center, he said his piece at the most inopportune moment. He could have said that on a further study and submit it to the PRRD, at least dun he can have all the evidence to back it up. What happened that time is primetime ethics complaint material.

(Take note: I use the term 'ethics complaint' pretty liberally here)

That said, we should stick to the discussion at hand (on whether the mega rehab is a boom or bust for the country) if we are trying to discuss several aspects of PRRD's drug policies here. I don't really have problems with a mega rehab, though I heard from several sources na medyo ill-advised nga siya.

That said, I still think PRRD's anti-drug policy is still good, at least on paper. But, the other part of policymaking is what happens on its implementation.

Boom or Bust, I think pwede na. For the less fortunate na gusto talaga magbago. Sacrifice na lang kahit malayo. And he have it built para ipaabot sa tao na I am serious against drug users. I want to help. If gusto nila ng madaming maliliit na rehab centers, baka wala na sa pwesto si Digong hindi pa tapos ang project. Hindi naman kanya lahat ng lupa sa Pinas diba? Pano kung ung ibang mayors ayaw pumayag? Easier said than done.

ouefcocque · November 15, 2017

Boom or Bust, I think pwede na. For the less fortunate na gusto talaga magbago. Sacrifice na lang kahit malayo. And he have it built para ipaabot sa tao na I am serious against drug users. I want to help. If gusto nila ng madaming maliliit na rehab centers, baka wala na sa pwesto si Digong hindi pa tapos ang project. Hindi naman kanya lahat ng lupa sa Pinas diba? Pano kung ung ibang mayors ayaw pumayag? Easier said than done.

Having a facility as critical as the mega rehab in a secure place is good as long as mailalayo mo ang mga drug addicts from the sources of illegal drugs. Not sure on the drug-free-ness of Nueva Ecija though.

And regarding the right-of-way issues, medyo masalimuot na usapin yan given how semi-feudal a lot of local officials are. Ideally, all government executive officials can be whipped to duty by the President through Executive power and political will alone. Ayun nga lang, ipasok mo local government and politics dito, warla na tayong lahat.

Though I believe that even if Digong would want smaller, locally-focused drug rehabs, hindi pa rin niya magagawa kasi nga the funds used in building the mega rehab came somewhere. Siyempre, with that funds that large, dapat immediate ang impact.

rooster69ph · November 15, 2017

Balat sibuyas? Pwede. BUT. MALI PA DIN SI SANTIAGO. Kelangan ba sabihin sa lahat na nagkamali or naexcite ang presidente? Na sana sinabi na lang niya sa mismong presidente? ANONG LAYUNIN NIYA? Now. Lets set aside politics and let me set an example sa sports naman. LA Revilla took to twitter his disappointment KIA trader Christian Standhardinger. What happened? He was traded after a few days. Balat sibuyas din ang KIA Management? Well he was just expressing himself. At tama naman siya a. He wants the best for his team. Anong nangyari? Anong paliwanag ng KIA? Dapat sa management siya nakipag usap and not taking it to twitter. Just the same. If Santiago has any issues. Take it straight to the president and hindi sa media.
Now. One of MTC members posted a the goverment owned rehab center accross the country. So meaning. Meron na din palang mga kalat na rehab centers. And like Ive said. Andyan na ung Mega Rehab Center. Will it do any good na sana ung mas maliit na lang na kalat. Or sana hindi na lang gnyan kalaki. Or sayang ang kuryente. Well kung kuryente lang, you dont need to open all of the lights. Part of it lang. Instead of saying it was a mistake and sana mas malapit na lng. Why not think of other things na sana may shutttle for the family members para madalaw nila ung mga mahal nila sa buhay na nagpapa rehab. We can't change what is already there. Pointing fingers won't do any good. And kung gusto nila malapit. Dapat ba bawat area meron? So how many cities and towns do we have? Dapat lahat meron? Or they will be using the same line that the rehab is too far.

Well like i said earlier i am not here to argue kung tama o mali ginawa ng presidente but whether or not tama yun suggestion ni santiago. But this is my opinion on what you said, may issue ba si santiago? Wala. In fact naibigay na kay presidente ang proposal bago siya na interview. So ano ba nangyari? He was interviewed regarding his pending proposal to the president on tv and it was his spontaneous and candid answer kasi yun ang paniniwala niya sa ikabubuti ng programa sa droga in support of the president. Now for me mas dapat tingnan kung tama o mali yun proposal o yun laman ng sinabi niya hindi kung tama ba si duterte sa pagalis sa kanya kasi whether right or wrong prerogative ng presidente to hire and fire someone he appointed regardless kung may pagkakamali o wala. Ganyan din naman un example na binigay mo kay Revilla at Kia.

Now parang ganito ang pinupunto mo ngayon .... Andiyan na yan eh so magadjust kung sino dapat mag adjust para magamit. Kasalanan yan ng addict kasi hindi sila seryoso. Sayang kuryente eh di wag buksan, magprovide ng shuttle etc etc etc. para lang we're on the same page my question is are you trying to evaluate the performance or are you now rationalizing to justify its existence?

Sa corporate world kasi ganito ang pagevaluate sa effectiveness ng isang project. Una you set your objective. In this case obviously it to support the drug campaign by providing rehab assistance by providing/building more rehab center(s). Next is how are you going to do it o yun implementation strategy. Dito pinagiisipan yun mga issues like isang mega rehab lang ba ok na o dapat mas maraming smaller community based rehab center ang itayo para mas efficient? Yun nueva ecija ba is a good location to start with (ie. Siguro dahil mataas ang bilang ng addict doon na gusto magbago at sa mga kalapit probinsiya) or saang lugar ba dapat itinatayo ang mga rehab centers kasi doon ang may matataas na bilang ng addict na gustong magbago. After tokhang ano ba ang programa ng gobyerno para mahikayat na magparehab ang mga ito (kung aasa tayo na magkukusa yan ay good luck) etc etc etc ... After all these have been decided upon and implemented now come the process audit yun iba they do it via the accomplishment report wherein yun success measurement are indicated and compared to actual performance. If positive variance ka vs the goal then your plan obviously worked but if not then technically you failed maybe because of mistakes in the planning process or may hindi ginawa sa plano kaya hindi na achieve ang desired result(s). To sum it up if we are going to be "professional" in evaluating if this was a "mistake" or not then i would be expecting the gov't to lay down the original plan and their kra's then compare it with the actual results. Yun nga nabanggit mo na measures to be taken as well as yun official statement na pwede naman gawing military housing or office, well it seems these are not part of the plan kaya nga hindi ginawa or if it was then obviously di ginawa. In that sense clearly building the mega rehab center was not well though of and therefore was a mistake.

I wonder was there any instance na kinontra ng malacanang na mali yun naging evaluation niya sa mega rehab center? Na hindi tama o hindi nagustuhan ng presidente ang proposal na damihan ang community based rehab center? Ang lagi kong naririnig at nababasa so far eh hindi nagustuhan ng presidente ang ginawa niya. At walang kinalaman yun paglabas at pagsalita niya sa TV sa evaluation kung eFfecTive ba yun mega rehab center.

So again wag natin pagisahin sa isang usapan kung tama o mali ba yun paglabas niya sa TV sa kung tama ba o mali yun content ng sinabi niya. Those two are exclusive and independent of each other. I hope this clears the matter once and for all.

rooster69ph · November 15, 2017

Boom or Bust, I think pwede na. For the less fortunate na gusto talaga magbago. Sacrifice na lang kahit malayo. And he have it built para ipaabot sa tao na I am serious against drug users. I want to help. If gusto nila ng madaming maliliit na rehab centers, baka wala na sa pwesto si Digong hindi pa tapos ang project. Hindi naman kanya lahat ng lupa sa Pinas diba? Pano kung ung ibang mayors ayaw pumayag? Easier said than done.

Having a facility as critical as the mega rehab in a secure place is good as long as mailalayo mo ang mga drug addicts from the sources of illegal drugs. Not sure on the drug-free-ness of Nueva Ecija though.

And regarding the right-of-way issues, medyo masalimuot na usapin yan given how semi-feudal a lot of local officials are. Ideally, all government executive officials can be whipped to duty by the President through Executive power and political will alone. Ayun nga lang, ipasok mo local government and politics dito, warla na tayong lahat.

Though I believe that even if Digong would want smaller, locally-focused drug rehabs, hindi pa rin niya magagawa kasi nga the funds used in building the mega rehab came somewhere. Siyempre, with that funds that large, dapat immediate ang impact.

May punto kayong pareho ... And you guys brought this up:

- baka kung gusto nila madaming maliliit na rehab center eh baka wala na sila sa pwesto

- dapat immediate ang impact

Which made me think, ano ba ang naging prioridad sa planning stage nun project? Yun short term gains niya wherein bongga ang project malaki at madaling natapos pero sa ngayon nga di naman efficiently utilized based on occupancy ratio. Or yun long term vision niya sa ating bansa na dapat masugpo ang problema sa droga kahit na hindi bongga ang dating pero efficient at effective?

ouefcocque · November 16, 2017

May punto kayong pareho ... And you guys brought this up:

- baka kung gusto nila madaming maliliit na rehab center eh baka wala na sila sa pwesto

- dapat immediate ang impact

Which made me think, ano ba ang naging prioridad sa planning stage nun project? Yun short term gains niya wherein bongga ang project malaki at madaling natapos pero sa ngayon nga di naman efficiently utilized based on occupancy ratio. Or yun long term vision niya sa ating bansa na dapat masugpo ang problema sa droga kahit na hindi bongga ang dating pero efficient at effective?

I would want to utilize the mega rehab as much. Nandyan na eh.

Though para ma-utilize siya ng maayos, dapat magkaroon ng susunod na stage ang anti-drug policy ng Presidente which should follow the gains on the previous actions undertaken (Tokhang, Double Barrel, etc.). Hindi lang huli, patay, pa-rehab at rinse-and-repeat lang ang isang anti-drug policy. Hindi lang dapat short term ang impact niyan.

Anyways, I am still surprised that despite how supply side - centric ang anti-drug policy natin, how come the legislators are not keen on exploring the 6B worth of drugs taken during the Bureau of Customs raid.

haroots2 · November 16, 2017

For me pwedeng gamitin ang mega drug center sa mga minor offenders na drug addicts especially minors. Sa laki pwede naman hatiin ang adults sa minors. Sa minors na nakapag commit ng crime pwede naman siguro iutos ng korte since hindi naman sila pwede ikulong na dalhin sila dito to recover. Hindi naman ito aksaya, pwede pa naman gumawa ng paraan para ma maximize itong mega drug center. Make the prosecutors recommends to the court that those drug offenders should comply in going into a drug rehab.

Kung talagang masyadong malaki to fill it up pwede ding hatiin para gawing some sort of a boys town.

rooster69ph · November 16, 2017

I would want to utilize the mega rehab as much. Nandyan na eh.

Though para ma-utilize siya ng maayos, dapat magkaroon ng susunod na stage ang anti-drug policy ng Presidente which should follow the gains on the previous actions undertaken (Tokhang, Double Barrel, etc.). Hindi lang huli, patay, pa-rehab at rinse-and-repeat lang ang isang anti-drug policy. Hindi lang dapat short term ang impact niyan.

Anyways, I am still surprised that despite how supply side - centric ang anti-drug policy natin, how come the legislators are not keen on exploring the 6B worth of drugs taken during the Bureau of Customs raid.

Kaya nga poor planning ang nangyari...lumalabas ngayon dapat may ganito o ganyan gawin which most likely did not come into consideration during the initial planning and execution phase.

Mabuti at nabanggit mo din ang kakulangan at kahinaan ng wod. Its not as rosy as some die hard would project it to be

Edited November 16, 2017 by rooster69ph

rooster69ph · November 16, 2017

For me pwedeng gamitin ang mega drug center sa mga minor offenders na drug addicts especially minors. Sa laki pwede naman hatiin ang adults sa minors. Sa minors na nakapag commit ng crime pwede naman siguro iutos ng korte since hindi naman sila pwede ikulong na dalhin sila dito to recover. Hindi naman ito aksaya, pwede pa naman gumawa ng paraan para ma maximize itong mega drug center. Make the prosecutors recommends to the court that those drug offenders should comply in going into a drug rehab.
Kung talagang masyadong malaki to fill it up pwede ding hatiin para gawing some sort of a boys town.

Have you seen the rehab center? How do you propose na hatiin ang usage nito physically?

Sa nakita ko kasi isang compound yan na may madaming "housing". They probably share common facilities. Hindi lang naman confined sa loob ng housing ang mga patient. I suppose ganun din ang sitwasyon para sa isang kulungan hindi naman sila confined to their cells lagi.

In other words pwede ba at tama bang ipagsama ang pagreporma ng isang criminal sa isang user.

Gusto ko lang ma enlighten.

rooster69ph · November 16, 2017

Eto from press release nun inauguration ng mega rehab center november 30 of last year galing Malaya. RODY INAUGURATES MEGA DRUG REHAB CENTER by JOcelyn Montemayor

Sabi ni dating health secretary Ubial around 800 personnel have been hired as of october (2016) to supervise the in-patients everyday for the next 6 months.

At least 2500 drug users who will come from nueva ecija, pampangga, pangasinan and tarlac would be included in the first batch of in-patients to be rehabilitated over a six to 12 months period. During the innaguration, 37 drug users were already set to undergo rehab.

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Ayan may figures na tayong paguusapan para maging batayan kung successful ba ang implementation at kung walang bang nasayang sa kaban ng bayan.

Well kung yan ang ating pagbabatayan ang ratio ng actual patient to health workers ay nasa 1:2 matindi ito kahit ikumpara mo pa pag nasa icu na ang patient. ang initial projection halos nasa 3:1 lang.

Sabi pa they are expecting an initial batch of 2500 ... so sa tingin ko naman eh napagaralan talaga paano at saan manggagaling ang numerong yan. And note initial batch pa lang yan ha eh di nga inabot kasi 400 lang halos di ba after almost a year.

At sa mga nagpapalusot o nagrarationalize regarding the issue na accessibility should not be a concern. Take note kung taga saan ba ang iniexpect nila ang papasok sa rehab center. Sa nueva ecija at ang karatig pook nito. In fact the same articles says the gov't intends to construct additional mega drug facilities in luzon, visayas and mindanao. So why will they do that if accessibility is not an issue at punta na lang lahat sa nueva ecija basta seryosong magparehab?

Again the issue i am raising is kung tama ang laman ng sinabi ni santiago hindi kung tama ang kanyang pagsasalita na di ikinatuwa ng presidente.

Edited November 16, 2017 by rooster69ph

Jasonkidd · November 16, 2017

Eto from press release nun inauguration ng mega rehab center november 30 of last year galing Malaya. RODY INAUGURATES MEGA DRUG REHAB CENTER by JOcelyn Montemayor
Sabi ni dating health secretary Ubial around 800 personnel have been hired as of october (2016) to supervise the in-patients everyday for the next 6 months.
At least 2500 drug users who will come from nueva ecija, pampangga, pangasinan and tarlac would be included in the first batch of in-patients to be rehabilitated over a six to 12 months period. During the innaguration, 37 drug users were already set to undergo rehab.
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Ayan may figures na tayong paguusapan para maging batayan kung successful ba ang implementation at kung walang bang nasayang sa kaban ng bayan.
Well kung yan ang ating pagbabatayan ang ratio ng actual patient to health workers ay nasa 1:2 matindi ito kahit ikumpara mo pa pag nasa icu na ang patient. ang initial projection halos nasa 3:1 lang.
Sabi pa they are expecting an initial batch of 2500 ... so sa tingin ko naman eh napagaralan talaga paano at saan manggagaling ang numerong yan. And note initial batch pa lang yan ha eh di nga inabot kasi 400 lang halos di ba after almost a year.
At sa mga nagpapalusot o nagrarationalize regarding the issue na accessibility should not be a concern. Take note kung taga saan ba ang iniexpect nila ang papasok sa rehab center. Sa nueva ecija at ang karatig pook nito. In fact the same articles says the gov't intends to construct additional mega drug facilities in luzon, visayas and mindanao. So why will they do that if accessibility is not an issue at punta na lang lahat sa nueva ecija basta seryosong magparehab?
Again the issue i am raising is kung tama ang laman ng sinabi ni santiago hindi kung tama ang kanyang pagsasalita na di ikinatuwa ng presidente.

For me tama naman sinabi ni Santiago e. Ang problema is ano ang agenda niya? May na excite pa siyang nalalaman. Kung ang sinabi na lang niya is initial pa lang yan, at marami pa tayong ipapatayo edi sana walang problema. Just for the record, he has to remember, HE WORKS FOR THE PRESIDENT TO SERVE THE FILIPINO NATION.

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