Boston Celtics

[Guiness]

If they had egos, they wouldn't be playing together and win a championship. Why would Garnett and Allen want to be here when they were the number one guys in Sota and Seattle?

 

Seriously, this is easy to answer. one they're getting older. Two. They had already garnered enough individual accolades and a championship was the only thing missing on their resume. 3. Their teams were on a rebuilding mode and they wouldn't have a chance to win there. THey had to swallow their pride by joining up with Paul because they wanted to win and that's why they had to sacrifice their game so they could gel with Paul. THey did say before that it was Paul's team.

 

THe same with Karl Malone and Payton when they joined up with the Lakers.

[Guiness]

Duncan sacrificed his ego to win. Besides, Pop was there to balance his ego and all other egos on the Spurs.

 

 

That's what im talking about the ego. There was a coach the players trusted in. Do you think they would have trusted a rookie coach that they've met for the first time and havent done anything yet on a professional level?

[Guiness]

Is Rick Pitino Brad Stevens? These guys couldn't be more different. Rick Pitino had absolute control, was a tyrant of a coach and traded away draft choices who turned out to be stars for other teams: see Joe Johnson and Chauncey Billups.

 

Brad Stevens is a patient coach who likes developing his players and trusts the process.

 

It's not speculation. Really? So what are you basing your premise on? Your imagination?

 

 

Im just citing an example that college success doesn't equate to NBA success all the time. Put yourself in Kevin Garnett's shoes. who would you trust more. Someone that you've known in the league a long time, a well respected guy on and off the court among coaches and players around the league for years, a proven coach who has experience in the playoffs as a player and coach. or some guy who you just met and heard that he had some success in the college level and is coaching for the first time on an NBA level. answer me this question oh wise and knowing all NBA guy

[Guiness]

You obviously don't watch Celtic games to know that Stevens trusts his bench and likes developing young players. Yes, I am holding on to the belief that the Cs would have had a threepeat with Brad and won against the Heat in 2012 because Brad trusts his bench and gives his players confidence.

 

 

not at all i find sarcasm to be amusing. ok so its a belief then, what do i call that? faith, so that's your basis? we're talking about the 2012 ecf here. you said that brad stevens would still play the bench more minutes even if they only contributed 2 points the whole game and have been pathetic. and you and i quote "holding on to the belief" that they would have still won that game. and they say i base my stuff on my imagination

Edited March 1, 2016 by FleurDeLune

[Guiness]

Of course, before Garnett would be traded, he would talk to the coach to see if their philosophies match. A franchise player who is slowly moving past his prime and who wanted a championship would not just go to a team where he knows that he wouldn't fit.

 

just answer the question as i asked it. who would you trust more. A. Someone that you've known in the league a long time, a well respected guy on and off the court among coaches and players around the league for years, a proven coach who has experience in the playoffs as a player and coach. or B.some guy who you just met and heard that he had some success in the college level and is coaching for the first time on an NBA level.?

 

you posted a long winded explanation and all i wanted was a simple answer. A or B? you don't need to elaborate because the question is simple so no need to explain yourself. A or B? which is it?

Edited February 9, 2016 by hahnz

[Guiness]

How many years ago was that? A player getting $67.5MM during that time was already lucrative.

 

Nope it wasn't if you divide that by 6 years which is the length of the contract he would he getting 10M per year which is something between what Damon Stoudemire and Arvydas Sabonis were making during that time. Penny Hardaway and Allen Iverson were making more. T-Mac got paid 16M and more with a max contract when he got to Houston that's where he got paid.

Is this on the premise that the Celtics are still choosing coaches? If that's the case, I'd choose Brad Stevens but if it's based on the premise of who I trust more, I'd still go with Brad Stevens.

 

 

Well its good that you're not Danny Ainge then and not making those decisions.

SMH. keep on believing that. basis? you can't even answer a simple question. Would the celtics have won if they played their bench more in the 2012 ecf as opposed to playing the starters more minutes? belief? that's as good as saying i have an interactive imagination. there's no basis on faith. there's no stats to back it up.

Edited March 1, 2016 by FleurDeLune

[Guiness]

So $10MM a year 15 years ago is not a lucrative contract.

At least mine has basis. Yours is based on your imagination.

 

You're missing the point. I'm saying the way they paid him is what they expected of him that he wouldn't be as explosive as they thought he would be. He exceeded those expectations and it helped Doc a lot because they were predicted to be at the bottom after hearing the news that they won't have Grant Hill for the season. People thought they were lottery bound and they found ways to win.

 

Faith is not a basis, its like a die hard fan who won't listen to stats because his heart is too invested on the team. That's what you based it on? belief? faith? tsk tsk tsk. SMH

Edited March 1, 2016 by FleurDeLune

[Guiness]

Sarcasm? Hahaha! I don't see any sarcasm there. My belief is based on a basis. Don't try to use strawman arguments on me just because your arguments are getting stuffed by yours truly.

 

im not talking about you being sarcastic im talking about me. duh?

[Jon Don]

Celtics? Nice little team. But not ready for primetime.

[Guiness]

My point is $10MM a season was lucrative 15 years ago. Why? How much is Mcgrady supposed to be worth?

 

From 65M for six years he got signed to a whopping 86M for 6 years in Houston with some bonuses. That's max player money. There are only a handful of players who get paid that much and T-Mac is one of them. The money he was getting in Orlando pales in comparison. Guys like Stoudamire and Sabonis didn't get paid that much. He played really well in Orlando and exceeded more than the expectations which catapulted him to be compared to guys like Kobe. Before he joined Orlando he was a budding star but never did they expect him to play at a more elite level than what he was showing in Toronto. Which goes back to my point that Doc had to work with whatever he had to keep the team competitive given their talent level on the roster and got them to a playoff seed

[Guiness]

Faith? Who said anything about faith? You can't even provide any basis except speculation that KG, PP and RA would trust Rivers more than they would trust Stevens.

 

I already gave the reasons why the Big Three would trust Brad:

 

1. What he did for Butler which had a starless team.

 

2. Stevens preaches selfless basketball which was concept that the Big Three embraced.

 

The way I see it, you refuse to accept what I am saying. Most probably because you can't accept that I am correct because you're getting repeatedly pwned in our arguments.

 

Belief is faith. Because you don't have any other basis to go on than what your saying and it is because:

 

1. What he did for Butler which had a starless team.

 

2. Stevens preaches selfless basketball which was concept that the Big Three embraced.

 

Again these are what if's that's why i don't get into these type of arguments because these didn't happen. They could or might have happened but we can never know. Do you have a time machine or crystal ball that said if Brad Stevens were coaching the Celtics when they had KG, Ray and Paul they would have won? that's what you're going with? THis is the last time i will debate you on this Stevens topic. I will mark this down for now. If Brad stevens is able to win a championship with the Celtics then i will say that he is a great coach.

 

But for now, I won't because he hasn't won anything. The end result is how your judged how good you really are. What's the point of winning regular season games if you don't get to win a playoff series.

 

He had Rondo for a year and they missed the playoffs.

[Guiness]

So tell me, $67.5MM is not lucrative? Yes, I appreciate what Doc did for the Cs but he pales in comparison to Brad Stevens. At least, Rivers needs Hall of Famers to win. Brad doesn't even have Hall of Famers, yet, he's winning. If Doc were really better than Brad, why wouldn't he coach a team without Garnett and Pierce?

 

They pay the player based off potential and it was a nice contract but it wasn't max player contract. They signed him because they could see a potential in him to be great but the Magic held back a bit because you can never tell if the player will be really good. No one predicted that T-mac would be that good. If they paid him Grant Hill's salary which was higher at the time then they would have taken a big risk, because what if he didn't pan out. Good thing he did, the Grant Hill contract hurt them more because he didn't get to play the whole years he was there because of injury. I say the 65 is a nice contract but T-mac was going for more and he got it in Houston.

 

Before Garnett and Ray joined he had Pierce. Ainge is the one putting the players on the roster. It wasn't any control of his which players he got. He was working with a not so talented team in the Magic and Celtics before the big 3 happened.

 

The Brad Stevens argument is too early to start proclaiming him as a great coach. If he wins a ship with the Celtics then he might get that nod. If not, im not gonna go and just start riding the hype train because they are winning games right now.

 

You sound hopeful and that's what you should be doing as a fan but don't go overboard and start proclaiming that he is a great coach because he hasn't won anything yet. Let him win one first and then make your argument that he is great. For now, enjoy what the Celtics are doing.

 

It's like saying we are winning "not one, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5" championships when he hasn't even won one yet.

[FleurDeLune]

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[pinpoint015]

I was surprised na no. 3 na sa East ang Cs. Hehe

[ganjaman318]

The Celtics may still be in a sort of rbuild mode, but I like what I see... they'll be a force to reckon with soon enough...