Traffic Problem In Metro Manila (Merged Thread)

[darksoulriver]

Ano po ang plano ni Duterte sa Traffic Solution, mga ka DDS?

 

kaw ano ba plano mo may recommendation k rin ba?

 

mdami ng nagbigay ng recommendations pero mas maganda siguro laging linggo na lng para wlang masyadong private cars sa kalsada....

[Bolj]

Any traffic schemes by this government or any other previous or future administration is bound to fail. Whats wrong is the mentality of the people "wlang pera sa probinsya, kaya punta ako sa syudad".

[Jasonkidd]

Ako may solusyon sa trapik. First things first. PAG RED, STOP, PAG GREEN, GO. Un sana pag naimplement malaki maitutulong sa trapik niyan. E green nga, tatlong lane naman ng jeep naka stop kasi kumukuha ng pasahero, gnyan din ang bus. Sa edsa halos lahat gnyan.. Roxas Blvd. I think, importante may mga cctvs tayo, tapos may mga body cam ang enforcer, bawat huli niya sa traffic violation, may cut din siya, HATI. Now. if may mahuli siyang bus or jeep, lets say beating the red light, im not sure how much penalty a, lets say 2000 pesos. Ayan may 1000 na si enforcer at hindi na siya tatanggap ng 50 pangkape kasi hati e. CCTVs and body cams para hindi basta basta manghuli. Now, if ikaw ung bus driver, at na fine ka ng 1000, uulitin mo pa? For sure hindi na, pero kung 50 lang, kayang kaya. Tapos ung mga no parking, pinaparada pa din. Kung hulihin, kahit sabihin mong private vehicle yan, 2000 din yan, pag second offense kulong naman. Tignan natin kung may malakas ang loob na umulit. Its about observing traffic rules and regulations lang. Malaki maitutulong nito sa traffic in metro manila.

[Joblow]

Mas ok para sa akin no contact apprehension

[darksoulriver]

Pag may tanong ka kung ano nagawa ng Pangulo, sagot lagi ng mga Kadede es, ikaw ano nagaw mo sa bayan.. ikaw na magpresidente...tumulong ka na lanh kesa magreklamo...

 

 

Change Scamming mga Kadede es. Lolz

 

balat sibuyas ka din ba.... lol

 

sa daming presidente dumating yan pa rin ba hirit mo?

 

kahit sino pa presidente wlang magagawang permanenteng solution sa mega traffic... sus grow up!

[harveyspecter]

I don't get why a lot of people complain to the president about the traffic, when we have a specific government bodies that should be held accountable for the bad traffic conditions we have now namely, the MMDA, LTFRB and the local government units within the cities. Anyway, based on my observation and analysis:

 

To boil the traffic problem in one sentence: Car volume exponentially increases every year while road capacity stays the same

 

Economically, if Metro Manila has a very efficient Public transportation system (i.e. Singapore) it doesn't make sense to buy/own a car.

 

Now, here are some of my short term solutions* and recommendations that I suggest are the following:

*Trains count as long term since it takes more than 2 years to build one*

 

1. Increase public transportation vehicles (Buses, jeeps, UV's and etc.)

 

PUV's maximize the people being transported with the least road space consumed, rather than 1 person driving his/her own car. What I would suggest is that companies in Metro manila can provide shuttle service from work-home or P2P style. Even if there's a fee, I think a lot of people would still choose this option vs. driving their own car to work.

 

2. Strictly enforce the coding scheme and place MMDA's in strategic locations (such as, Tollgates and exits in SLEX, Coastal and etc.)

 

There are a lot of ways/roads to exploit and avoid MMDA during coding. But almost all cars will funnel and slow down at Tollgates/exits. Placing MMDA's there will make it very easy to catch coding offenders.

 

3. Abolish low down payment options for acquiring a car.

 

This might be a little self-centered (sorry for those working in the auto-industry) but, car companies are offering crazy low DP ( I even saw one car no DP) to get a car, now this makes it very accessible and easy for even a minimum wage earner to get a car. The problem with this is that this increases the car volume which makes the traffic even worse. Again, the main goal here is to minimize the car volume and maximize road space/capacity.

 

What do you guys think? Please feel free to share your thoughts on this.

[Jasonkidd]

I don't get why a lot of people complain to the president about the traffic, when we have a specific government bodies that should be held accountable for the bad traffic conditions we have now namely, the MMDA, LTFRB and the local government units within the cities. Anyway, based on my observation and analysis:

 

To boil the traffic problem in one sentence: Car volume exponentially increases every year while road capacity stays the same

 

Economically, if Metro Manila has a very efficient Public transportation system (i.e. Singapore) it doesn't make sense to buy/own a car.

 

Now, here are some of my short term solutions* and recommendations that I suggest are the following:

*Trains count as long term since it takes more than 2 years to build one*

 

1. Increase public transportation vehicles (Buses, jeeps, UV's and etc.)

 

PUV's maximize the people being transported with the least road space consumed, rather than 1 person driving his/her own car. What I would suggest is that companies in Metro manila can provide shuttle service from work-home or P2P style. Even if there's a fee, I think a lot of people would still choose this option vs. driving their own car to work.

 

2. Strictly enforce the coding scheme and place MMDA's in strategic locations (such as, Tollgates and exits in SLEX, Coastal and etc.)

 

There are a lot of ways/roads to exploit and avoid MMDA during coding. But almost all cars will funnel and slow down at Tollgates/exits. Placing MMDA's there will make it very easy to catch coding offenders.

 

3. Abolish low down payment options for acquiring a car.

 

This might be a little self-centered (sorry for those working in the auto-industry) but, car companies are offering crazy low DP ( I even saw one car no DP) to get a car, now this makes it very accessible and easy for even a minimum wage earner to get a car. The problem with this is that this increases the car volume which makes the traffic even worse. Again, the main goal here is to minimize the car volume and maximize road space/capacity.

 

What do you guys think? Please feel free to share your thoughts on this.

I'll agree with 1 and 2. But sa 3, pano naman mga middle class citizens? Hindi sila makakabili ng kotse. Syempre may mga time na gusto nila mag family outing at the comfort of their own vehicle. More buses and a more coaches to our LRT/MRT should be better. And like I've posted before. Discipline. Especially the PUJ's and PUB's. Walang disiplina talaga. They are stopping on.3 lanes para kumuha ng pasahero. Businahan mo, sila pa galit. And these won't change dahil may corrupt na traffic enforcer.

[harveyspecter]

I'll agree with 1 and 2. But sa 3, pano naman mga middle class citizens? Hindi sila makakabili ng kotse. Syempre may mga time na gusto nila mag family outing at the comfort of their own vehicle. More buses and a more coaches to our LRT/MRT should be better. And like I've posted before. Discipline. Especially the PUJ's and PUB's. Walang disiplina talaga. They are stopping on.3 lanes para kumuha ng pasahero. Businahan mo, sila pa galit. And these won't change dahil may corrupt na traffic enforcer.

 

Definitely agree, I'm sorry about #3 though, I meant for it to reduce car volume on work days/rush hours and it shouldn't restrict it for family/recreational activities. and yes discipline is a huge factor in reducing traffic, because they congest and block road ways. Looking at it though, the main culprits/people to blame for why PUJ's and PUB's are behaving that way, are the owners of the company and how they are being incentivized.

 

I know that most PUV drivers are being subjected to the "Quota" system (i.e. maximize number of passengers in a trip). That's why they're forced to stop at every corner and waiting for passengers even if they are blocking the road. Because of they don't reach this quota, they get punished. If they do, they get rewarded. It's the classic carrot vs. stick behavior.

[Jasonkidd]

Definitely agree, I'm sorry about #3 though, I meant for it to reduce car volume on work days/rush hours and it shouldn't restrict it for family/recreational activities. and yes discipline is a huge factor in reducing traffic, because they congest and block road ways. Looking at it though, the main culprits/people to blame for why PUJ's and PUB's are behaving that way, are the owners of the company and how they are being incentivized.

 

I know that most PUV drivers are being subjected to the "Quota" system (i.e. maximize number of passengers in a trip). That's why they're forced to stop at every corner and waiting for passengers even if they are blocking the road. Because of they don't reach this quota, they get punished. If they do, they get rewarded. It's the classic carrot vs. stick behavior.

 

That is why many are opposing the luxury tax on vehicles. Though honestly it would really help in easing the traffic. The quota system is not an excuse to block almost every lane. They stop and go as they wish, tapos ung vendors pa pala. Unless traffic rules and regulations are followed, there will never be a solution for the traffic in metro. Stop pointing fingers at the president, MMDA etc. We start from ourselves.

[harveyspecter]

That's true. What sets the Philippines apart with other countries (i.e. Singapore, Japan etc) when it comes to dealing with traffic is that they respect and obey the traffic rules and regulations. But still, the government should be held "accountable", accountable in a sense that it's their job to do so or what's expected of them and what we're (taxpayers) paying them to do so because they set up and influence the macro-structure in which how individuals and companies behave.

[tomagants]

I AGREE with Chaser comments. . Si Wooer has a very sharp memory of Digong. nag mura pa sa Santo Papa... This thread would like to point out tthat Digong is not aware inspite of his brilliant mangers and consultants ..... he is just repeating the mistakes of the past..

Mag isip isip din ng tama at upuan talaga ang problema. Modernization ba ng public vehicles can solve the road congestion.???

Ano ba talaga ang gagawin?

Mura dito mura doon ma so solve ba ang Traffc. Takutan lang ba ang solusyon?

Sino ba sa mga consultants mag patigil ng mga sasakyan below 1990s na hindi na talga dapat tumakbo sa kalsada.???

Ano ba ang problema kung ipatigil ipa hinto?

[haroots2]

Ang hirap kasi sa disiplina kailangan ipilit sa mga tao. Madami talagang pasaway (drivers, passengers and pedestrians), ang laki na ng ginastos sa mga road barriers, signs,paints, foot bridges etc. para lang mapilitan sumunod ang mga tao. Pero kapag nangibang bansa sumusunod naman sa mga batas trapiko nila.

[tk421]

Wait... kala ko yun ang premise ni Duterte kaya siya na elect? Kasi sabi nila wala daw disiplina ang mamamayan kaya pag na elect sya magiging disiplinado ang mga tao. Parang Davao daw?

[rooster69ph]

i think we have to say that the strength of Duterte as a leader is him supposedly being a good administrator. I hear stories like pinakain daw ni then mayor digong yun upos ng sigarilyo dahil may isang nagsiga-sigaan na pasaway na naninigarilyo isang restaurant. Ayun sinampolan para di na umulit.

 

Pro duterte have high hope that under Digong's leadership we could possibly duplicate the disipline instilled by Lee Kuan Yeu to the Singaporeans.

[tk421]

 

Ang disiplina wala sa namumuno yan. Nasa puso nating lahat. LELS. Kahit santo pa ilagay sa malacanan kung hindi naman disiplinado ang tao walang mangyayari.

 

Parang ganito

 

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/news/metro/632864/maria-isabel-lopez-apologizes-for-driving-on-asean-lane/story/

 

 

Eto ang dapat pinaparusahan ng husto. Rules are rules. Kapag pasaway ka, suffer the consequences. Parusahan siya para maging halimbawa sa mga tao na pasaway sa simpleng pakiusap ng gobyerno

 

Yes, ganun nga ang pagka intindi ko sa disiplina.

 

Pero yun ang ginagawang excuse ng mga tao noon bakit nila binoto si Dugong. Disiplina Duterte ika nga.

 

Pero ngayon mukhang iba na ang paniniwala.

Edited November 15, 2017 by tk421

[Jasonkidd]

Ang observation ko doon sa item #3.. mas maramia ng nabili auto para gawin taxi, para ipasok sa uber or grab at sa mga car ental.. lalo na yun mga VAN ang dami nagsibilihan dahil nga mababa ang d.p tapos ginagamit pang byahe kahit wala naman prangkisa.. isang matinding halimbawaeh doon samay McDo Quezon Ave, tuwing madaling araw lalo na kapag Thursday and Friday ang dami tao palagi naghihintay sa VAN na sasakyan nila papunta sa booking nilang destination ng tour.. wala lahat yun prangkisa.. bale private yun VAN ang driver eh yun owner mismo binabayaran lamang sila ng Travel Agency per byahe..

 

Ganon din sa lugar namin sobrang dami na ang meron VAN mga brand new.. pinapaarkila papunta airport, tour, kapag may mga special events etc...

 

sana lang magkaroon ng regulation ang LTO, kung ikaw eh isang private individual at gusto mo magkaroon ng auto na family use only dapat eh may certificate na kukuhanin sa LTO para maging isang requirement sa pagbili ng auto...

Illegal talaga yan. But. Parang mas nakatulong sila sa traffic a. Kasi let's say 10 ang sumakay. Assuming ung 10 un may sasakyan. Di nabawasan ng 9 na sasakyan sa kalsada hehe. Pero. Syempre mali un. Hindi nagbayad ng prangkisa e. Unfair competition ika nga.

[Jasonkidd]

Wait... kala ko yun ang premise ni Duterte kaya siya na elect? Kasi sabi nila wala daw disiplina ang mamamayan kaya pag na elect sya magiging disiplinado ang mga tao. Parang Davao daw?

Before Digong decided to run for president. I discussed it with my chinese friend. I told him that in Davao there is no corruption, very safe, everyone is following the rules and regulations etc etc because their mayor is very strict and hates corrupt, and everyone is very disciplined. I kept in building up Digong. I remember it clearly what he told me. That won't. Davao is small compared to Philippines. Hindi mo kayang baguhin ang nakaugalian. Iluluwa ng mga nakaugalian. Discipline starts from oneself. Kung ang china daw sobrsng strikto na, pero ang dami pa din mga gago, what more dito sa Pinas. Now I believe him.

[tk421]

Before Digong decided to run for president. I discussed it with my chinese friend. I told him that in Davao there is no corruption, very safe, everyone is following the rules and regulations etc etc because their mayor is very strict and hates corrupt, and everyone is very disciplined. I kept in building up Digong. I remember it clearly what he told me. That won't. Davao is small compared to Philippines. Hindi mo kayang baguhin ang nakaugalian. Iluluwa ng mga nakaugalian. Discipline starts from oneself. Kung ang china daw sobrsng strikto na, pero ang dami pa din mga gago, what more dito sa Pinas. Now I believe him.

I remember early on his presidency, there were lots of talks about the Duterte Effect, or as one blogger puts it "people kind of 'fall in line' without need to be arrested or whatever".

 

It's just interesting to note that Duterte supporters now don't think this is possible. And I am guessing there are other expectations that they are now just finding out that are unattainable, so in response they tend to now lower their expectations. Filipinos will be Filipinos and behaviors will not change overnight (or because of one president).

[rooster69ph]

I think instead of setting sight on the expectation they are now managing it.

 

Parang when the usec for transportation was interviewed on what to expect in line with the government takeover of mrt operations. Ang sagot we cannot do miracles but we promise accountability. In otherwords sabi niya halimbawa maaga pa lang sasabihin na nila ganito lang karaming bagon ang kayang patakbuhin today so people should expect mahaba ang pila. So kung mga 30 min to 1 hr ang haba ng pila then agahan mo by that time para di ka mahuli ... ayos ganun pala ang accountability sabihin mo problema then kayo naman wag mag expect at mag adjust accordingly. In short managing/lowering expectations.

 

Now depende yan kung pro or con duterte. Yun dating nirereklamo mrt pero pro du30 ngayon eh tanggap nila sitwasyon kahit sa totoo lang wala naman nagbago.

I think instead of setting sight on the expectation they are now managing it.

 

Parang when the usec for transportation was interviewed on what to expect in line with the government takeover of mrt operations. Ang sagot we cannot do miracles but we promise accountability. In otherwords sabi niya halimbawa maaga pa lang sasabihin na nila ganito lang karaming bagon ang kayang patakbuhin today so people should expect mahaba ang pila. So kung mga 30 min to 1 hr ang haba ng pila then agahan mo by that time para di ka mahuli ... ayos ganun pala ang accountability sabihin mo problema then kayo naman wag mag expect at mag adjust accordingly. In short managing/lowering expectations.

 

Now depende yan kung pro or con duterte. Yun dating nirereklamo mrt pero pro du30 ngayon eh tanggap nila sitwasyon kahit sa totoo lang wala naman nagbago.

[tomagants]

it more disappointed to know that we have been vocal about the traffic situation.. Baka mamaya tayo na lang ang concern citizens and some of us here if not all have at the end of the day are already passive...

[Jasonkidd]

I think instead of setting sight on the expectation they are now managing it.

Parang when the usec for transportation was interviewed on what to expect in line with the government takeover of mrt operations. Ang sagot we cannot do miracles but we promise accountability. In otherwords sabi niya halimbawa maaga pa lang sasabihin na nila ganito lang karaming bagon ang kayang patakbuhin today so people should expect mahaba ang pila. So kung mga 30 min to 1 hr ang haba ng pila then agahan mo by that time para di ka mahuli ... ayos ganun pala ang accountability sabihin mo problema then kayo naman wag mag expect at mag adjust accordingly. In short managing/lowering expectations.

Now depende yan kung pro or con duterte. Yun dating nirereklamo mrt pero pro du30 ngayon eh tanggap nila sitwasyon kahit sa totoo lang wala naman nagbago.

 

Ako hindi ko tanggap. Araw araw ako nag MMRT LRT e hahaha. But napansin mo ba na they didnt point fingers to the previous administration? Pwede nilang sabihin kakagawan kasi ni Abaya to e. Or ni Mar to e. Though syempre they wanted them held accountable for those problems. Ang sang ayon ako diyan. One solution to traffic is more coaches talga. Kung mabilis ang dating ng mga coaches, mas maluwag. Kahit may sasakyan ka you will still take MRT kasi mas mabilis and comfortable. If mas maraming coaches a. Pero if not. GRABE. Daig pa sardinas.

[rooster69ph]

Ako hindi ko tanggap. Araw araw ako nag MMRT LRT e hahaha. But napansin mo ba na they didnt point fingers to the previous administration? Pwede nilang sabihin kakagawan kasi ni Abaya to e. Or ni Mar to e. Though syempre they wanted them held accountable for those problems. Ang sang ayon ako diyan. One solution to traffic is more coaches talga. Kung mabilis ang dating ng mga coaches, mas maluwag. Kahit may sasakyan ka you will still take MRT kasi mas mabilis and comfortable. If mas maraming coaches a. Pero if not. GRABE. Daig pa sardinas.

Really? They didn’t point fingers? Hmmp that's another hot issue that is quite debatable so i'll leave that statement as it is. But as i've always reiterated i am in favor of filing a case to those who should be held accountable for any irregularities as far as the maintenance contract entered into by the past admin.

 

Pero isantabi muna natin ang issue regarding sa pinasukang maintenance contract ng dating namumuno sa dotc at suriin natin kung papaano naimaintain ng mga nakaraang administrasyon ang mrt. When we talk about maintenance ang mga bagon lang ba dapat minemaintain? What about yun terminal as well as yun mga facilities? Sa totoo lang mukhang pinabayaan over time. Yun ibang istasyon pundido ilaw at ang dumi ang pasukan tinatambayan pa minsan ng taong grasa o mga di mo matancha kung addict o holdaper/magnanakaw. Yun mga elevator/escalator di gumagana pero hindi agad napapaayos. Itong mga bagay na ito tayong ordinaryong mamamayan nakikita natin kasi hindi kailangan ng technical skills tulad ng pagdetermina kung ang mga bagon ba any properly maintained. And doon pa lang kita na natin hindi properly maintained ang mrt. Sa mga bagon naman kahit dati am sure nasakyan mo na ang mga bagon na ang hina ng aircon yun iba nga binubuksan na bintana para may hangin na pumasok. Is that proper maintenance? Alam mo sa ibang bansa nagkakataon din na nakakasakay ako ng mrt nila at siksikan din na parang sardinas during peak times. Halimbawa na lang sa hong kong o japan pero kahit ganun kahit papaano comfortable pa din ang pakiramdanm ng mananakay. I personally believe napabayaan natin ito over time kaya lumala ng ganito sitwasyon.

 

Kahapon may napakinggan ako sa radyo iniinterview, isang engineer but inforgot the name at pinaguusapan tungkol sa issue ng maintenance problem sa mrt. Sabi nga niya kinausap at nagrekomenda na raw siya kay usec chavez na baguhin na ang sistema ng maintenance contract at gawing long term. Sabi niya sa ngayon ang plano pa rin kasi ng gobyerno is to use/apply the same old formula on contracting maintenance provider. Well hindi kataka-taka kasi itong si usec eh dati na palang involve o connected sa lrt kaya over time yun sistema sa lrt inapply din sa mrt. Sabi ni engineer puro short term maintenance contract lang ang binibigay ng gobyerno therefore yun mga maintenance provider natural hindi rin nagiinvest ng malaki kasi in a few years tapos na kontrata niya at maaring mapalitan. Kadalasan di rin ito naiis-stock ng mga piyesa. Sabi rin nga niya yun mga technicians na inabsorb ng dotc ngayong mula sa huling maintenance provider eh halos 10 taon nang casual yun iba diyan doing the same work. So from his statement i do think it further validated un pananaw ko. Pero sa tingin ko isa lang ito sa mga naging problema marami pa yan di natin lang alam.

[tomagants]

Ngayo meron naman batas ipapatibayin nag yellow lane . tapos and motorcycle accident para mabawasan ipatupad ang motorcycle lane.. Mukhang may pagbabago

[clint01astig]

i hope that one day traffic will be solved in manila. i think the great factor that affects traffic is the increasing number of busses.

[Jasonkidd]

Andaming propaganda noong eleksyon kesyo malaki maiimprove ng MRT pag nanalo si Tatay Digz. Kesyo madaming bagong bagon na dadating. May mga bullet train pang proposals. Sumatotal wala naman pinagkaiba mas malala pa nga yata eh. Just being honest

 

Antayin natin manalo si Senadora Moccha. Baka maisakatuparan na ang change is coming ng mga loyal followers

I think ginagawa na ung mga trains connecting to Mindanaos. May proposal pa na gagawin din ang trains papuntang Tuguegarao. I think what Digong missed is corruption ( it will take more than him to stop it), traffic, MRT, and my personal concern the telecommunications. Other than that like sugpuin ang drugs ( well, I am not sure if bumaba nga ang bilang )but he is really serious about it, mga help centers like 8888 and the 911. Mga help centers for our OFWs. And one of the ones that I really like is sa mga goverment employees natin naging mas takot na sa atin mga taxpayers. Dati kasi sila ang matapang. Pag sinabing busy sila busy sila. Now hindi na. ( Im not sure if its because of the social media na pag nag viral e natatanggal sila. )