Traffic Problem In Metro Manila (Merged Thread)

[Strada2008]

To avoid traffic...leave early, use Google Maps or Waize to plan route...we deal with it...walang short term solution...make the most of it...a good radio working, airconditioning is well maintained, a good number of yosi and a lighter (plus posporo pang back up)...puede na...

[sudo.spectrum]

Osmena highway ang traffic na ng sobra dahil sa ginagawang super highway

[Joblow]

May sense iyong sinasabi ni Cayetano bakit matindi traffic sa Metro Manila. More than 30% ng National budget natin napupunta lang sa Metro Manila so ang mga magagandang ospital, infrastructure, trabaho eh andito kaya ang mga tao sa probinsiya eh pumupunta dito. So solution niya eh ikalat sa buong bansa ang mga infrastructure projects and government offices

[rooster69ph]

Eto ang problema, pansariling interest ang laging inuuna natin kaysa interest ng karamihan. Halimbawa un bagong no contact policy ng paghuhuli dahil naglagay ng cctv. Isipin mo ba naman na issue pa yun sa mga drivers pampubliko? E paano pagnakunan sila multa agad at di na uubra yun ginagawa nila kasi may nagbibigay sila kay kotong cops.

[Shadow Minister]

Unfortunately, Daang Matuweed is an epic fail at this.

 

kahit anong scheme pa yan, kahit hi hitler pa gawin mong traffic czar, ang nag iisang solusyon lang is decentralization. ikalat ang business district sa baguio, subic/clark, cebu at davao. tanggalin ang provincial wage rate. siksikan na tayo dito, di na kaya ng metro manila. tingnan mo sa vietnam, mamimili ka kung sa taas (hanoi) o sa baba (Ho Chi Minh) ang gusto momg mag trabaho at mag settle.

 

Economic Federalism is the key. kahit di na political, Economic and Business na lang.

 

Agree. The more practical solution is to combine these two proposals above. The long-term goal is federalism, decentralization to spread development across the country and not to concentrate it around few cities like MM. This will transfer to the state gov't the responsibility of developing their area. And the state gov't has more incentive and reason to that than the central gov't. However, it will not happen overnight.

 

The mass transpo will help in medium-term to mitigate the traffic here in MM, this will encourage people to lessen use of their cars and rely more on the reformed and more efficient and more effective public transportation. However, if we still don't decentralize and we still keep development here in MM, more and more people will still migrate here, which will eventually overwhelm even the improved public transpo. The two proposals complement each other.

 

Kailangan system solutions. We cannot rely on appealing to individual interests to change their attitudes when it comes to traffic.

Edited May 9, 2016 by Shadow Minister

[Edmund Dantes]

Traffic daw is a symptom of economic progress? Bullshit!

 

It means wala ng oportunidad sa mga probinsya kaya dumadagsa lalo tao sa maynila. Yan ba ang progreso?

[jandroid]

Public transport has to be improved. But traffic rules has to be implemented strictly. Otherwise there is no point in then.

[JoshuaJacob]

Some of the best traffic control of progressive countries:

1) Regulate the number of vehicles (including motorcycles) being given w/ license by the LTO

2) Junk vehicles older than 10 years. We have jeepneys prying the road that is older than 30 years.

3) Remove the colorum vehicles that mostly owned by LTO officers. And put these LTO officers behind bars that owns these colorum vehicles.

[rooster69ph]

Some of the best traffic control of progressive countries:

1) Regulate the number of vehicles (including motorcycles) being given w/ license by the LTO

2) Junk vehicles older than 10 years. We have jeepneys prying the road that is older than 30 years.

3) Remove the colorum vehicles that mostly owned by LTO officers. And put these LTO officers behind bars that owns these colorum vehicles.

 

Just wondering ... what is the basis for your view that max life span of cars should only be up to 10 years and should be junk thereafter? I mean there are cars say 10 yrs old already but these are still well maintained and with very low mileage which are better off with cars younger in age but "laspag". na

[Edmund Dantes]

I Keep telling you, until you somehow decongest metro manila, all other efforts to ease traffic will be futile.

 

Kaya nga, bobo lang ang maniniwala sa pinagsasabi ni Roxas na progresso daw ibig sabihin paglala ng traffic.

 

Ang ibig sabihin nyan, patuloy lang ang pagdami ng tao sa Metro Manila. Pano? Anong maayos na oportunidad ba meron sa mga probinsya? Ultimo pinakamagagaling na lang na Unibersidad at Ospital laging nasa Manila. Yung business capital nasa Manila. Lampas na sa tinatawag na "carrying capacity" ang kaMaynilaan kaya lumalala na traffic.

 

The move towards Federalism will be a great step towards this. If we can have other major cities in the Philippines where it can also offer not just the best Job opportunities but as well as Education. If only factories and major businesses can have center of operations in other cities, then hindi lagi dadagsa tao sa Maynila.

 

sabi nga 80% ng protein napupunta lang lagi sa Metro Manila

[brandonboyd]

Expanding the roads and decentralizing businesses and offices won't happen in the short run. By the time a major highway has been finished or a new building in the province has been erected, maybe 500,000 new vehicles have already been sold and running. 2016 car sales still up year-on-year and the forecast just keeps on rising. With crude oil price ranging 45-50/barrel(still cheap) we can expect lower price tags on vehicles. If car companies could just add more premium on the prices of vehicles to lessen the demand, but that ain't happening either. The Ayalas(Honda and Isuzu), George Ty of MBT(Toyota) and Gokongweis(Mitsubishi?) don't care about sustainability, all they see is profit, maybe they can claim that their buildings or factories are "green." As long as construction of fixed assets are involved in the solution, do not expect for a quick fix in the near future.

 

Anyway, the only solution left is for the improvement of mass transportation. I hope the additional MRT would service enough passengers, but it's hard to imagine. And consumers, you may want to limit the purchase of vehicles. For a family, 2 cars would suffice, might as well ride a dilapidated bus going to work and just doze off hahaha

[Shadow Minister]

I Keep telling you, until you somehow decongest metro manila, all other efforts to ease traffic will be futile.

 

Kaya nga, bobo lang ang maniniwala sa pinagsasabi ni Roxas na progresso daw ibig sabihin paglala ng traffic.

 

Ang ibig sabihin nyan, patuloy lang ang pagdami ng tao sa Metro Manila. Pano? Anong maayos na oportunidad ba meron sa mga probinsya? Ultimo pinakamagagaling na lang na Unibersidad at Ospital laging nasa Manila. Yung business capital nasa Manila. Lampas na sa tinatawag na "carrying capacity" ang kaMaynilaan kaya lumalala na traffic.

 

The move towards Federalism will be a great step towards this. If we can have other major cities in the Philippines where it can also offer not just the best Job opportunities but as well as Education. If only factories and major businesses can have center of operations in other cities, then hindi lagi dadagsa tao sa Maynila.

 

sabi nga 80% ng protein napupunta lang lagi sa Metro Manila

 

Expanding the roads and decentralizing businesses and offices won't happen in the short run. By the time a major highway has been finished or a new building in the province has been erected, maybe 500,000 new vehicles have already been sold and running. 2016 car sales still up year-on-year and the forecast just keeps on rising. With crude oil price ranging 45-50/barrel(still cheap) we can expect lower price tags on vehicles. If car companies could just add more premium on the prices of vehicles to lessen the demand, but that ain't happening either. The Ayalas(Honda and Isuzu), George Ty of MBT(Toyota) and Gokongweis(Mitsubishi?) don't care about sustainability, all they see is profit, maybe they can claim that their buildings or factories are "green." As long as construction of fixed assets are involved in the solution, do not expect for a quick fix in the near future.

 

Yes, these two proposals are what I've been advocating ever since. These two complement each other and will cover short-term to long-term time horizons.

 

 

Anyway, the only solution left is for the improvement of mass transportation. I hope the additional MRT would service enough passengers, but it's hard to imagine. And consumers, you may want to limit the purchase of vehicles. For a family, 2 cars would suffice, might as well ride a dilapidated bus going to work and just doze off hahaha

 

Mass transpo must be improved to alleviate traffic in the short-term. But I wouldn't count on MRT/LRT anymore for future public transportation systems. A better proposal is to go for Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) to cover other major traffic arteries in Metro Manila. Compared to train, this is a lot simpler and cheaper to construct - no digging, no excavating, no rail tracks and electrical wiring to be laid down, no trains to maintain. Just buses on dedicated lanes. Of course, with this, BRT will be easier and less costlier to maintain vs trains. And will be easier to deploy.

 

Urban planning experts like Jun Palafox have a lot of very good ideas but nothing happened. He also rejected the admin's solution of knee-jerked "more and more roads" as a solution to traffic.

[Vocare Ad Regnum]

improve mass transpo and levy high tax for ownership of private vehicles in NCR... para hindi ma circumvent, ipagbawal ang private vehicles sa NCR na registered outside NCR...

 

 

in short => discourage ownership of private vehicles.. if you want one, pay heavy tax... mag commute ka nalang... wag ka nang pumorma.. pogi ka na kasi may kotse ka?

[Joblow]

I wonder kung yung nagpo-propose ng fix public transpo eh nag-cocommute? Kung tutuusin ok naman ang MRT/LRT natin ang problema "sobra" talaga ang dami ng commuters dito sa Metro Manila kaya madaling bumigay mga tren na iyan. Dapat mga 15-30 minutes ang pagitan ng tren eh dahil sa dami ng pasahero eh di kakayanin kaya ayun overuse mga tren na iyan.

[camiar]

I wonder kung yung nagpo-propose ng fix public transpo eh nag-cocommute? Kung tutuusin ok naman ang MRT/LRT natin ang problema "sobra" talaga ang dami ng commuters dito sa Metro Manila kaya madaling bumigay mga tren na iyan. Dapat mga 15-30 minutes ang pagitan ng tren eh dahil sa dami ng pasahero eh di kakayanin kaya ayun overuse mga tren na iyan.

Sa Singapore, 2-3 minutes lang ang pagitan ng MRT.

 

Anong sinasabi mong 15-30 minutes dapat?