Build A Model Body!

[dj25]

it's not enough to read all the muscle magazines and apply what you have read. kasi if you do not understand the principle ay balewala ang application niyan. that's the problem to some instructors na dahil nakapagym lang ng matagal at kesyo nagbabasa ng mga ganitong libro ay mga mamaru (nagmamarunong) na. they don't even know the principle of muscle contraction and how it works. it is not explained very well in these magazines.

 

Like what quile 1912 advised for losing weight dapat less weights and more repetitions and aerobics. if you want to gain mass dapat more weights with less repetition. Kaya lang i don't know if this guy knows the rationale behind this program. actually may kulang pa dito. nawala yung diet. diet serves also an important role in losing or gaining weight.

[THUG]

yup, this makes sense.. minsan naisip ko nga mag-kargador na lang ako... sometimes it's true, kaya i dont read these fitness mags na nirerecycle lang ang mga articles... andaming mga theories minsan nalilito ka na kung ano ang tama... tingnan na lang natin yung mga ninuno natin, they eat raw meat, lots of vegetables and maintain an active lifestyle (hunting) and okay yung katawan nila.

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e kase nga yan yung long and slow cardio workout.. yung mga construction worker, di naman ganun ka intense ang mga binubuhat nyan e.. nagpapala lang ng semento, pero they are active and moving for more than 8 hours..

 

e yun nga lang magbobote sa amin, andumi dumi pero pag nagtutulak ng kariton na nakahubad ganda ng katawan.. walang taba, at may 4 pack abs..

 

e yun ba kumukuha pa ng gym instructor, nagbabayad ng 5k a month sa gym, bumibili ng creatine, protein drinks, at sumusunod dyan sa mga walang katapusang theories na yan??

[Equus]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Well thats true too... wala nga katapusan yung mga theories na yan...

[dj25]

Sorry mga bro, pero i don't agree that this are all theories.

factual yung mga nakalagay sa mga magazines na ito kasi based ito sa mga scientific studies. ang sinasabi ko lang it's how people interpret and how they understood these things.

mind you thug not all kargadors have good physique, yung iba sa kanila malalaki ang tiyan. ilang beses na akong sumasakay sa barko and i know na di lahat ng kargador maganda ang katawan.

 

with regards to the mangbobote, personally ilang mangbobote na ang nakita ko pero di maganda ang katawan lahat sila payatot. oo nga may abs sila pero yung katawan nila ngeek. i don't know if this is your ideal body. sana tinanong mo sa mangbobote kung ano yung ginagawa niya para magka abs siya. baka ang isagot niya lang ay di ako kumakain ng tama.

[THUG]

I had a friend. He has an Ectomorphic type of body, payatot talaga.

 

He asked my opinion and ask me kung anong magandang program pampalaki. I gave a simple program, more on dumbells nga eh. The next day sabi nya sa kin mali daw yung program ko sabi ng instructor nya. Pang advance daw yon. Napakamot ako ng ulo kasi advance ba yung:

 

flat bench press, alternate db curl, tricep extension, db row, db military press????

Simpleng 8 to 10 reps at 3 sets???? Ala akong nilagay na any supersets or exercise with machines kasi nga begginer sya.

 

Then nagulat ako kasi binentahan daw sya ng cell tech at nag iipon for nitro.... Inshort pineperahan sya.....

 

A month later sabi nya naninigas na daw yung binili nyang 5kg na creatine. Wow as in wow, 5kg ng crea binenta sa kanya. Eh 4 yrs na nga kong nagbubuhat di pa ko nakakaubos ng 2kg ng crea.

 

Up to now payat sya. Somewhere in QC ung gym, somewhere in Kalayaan???? Dont know eh

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e baka naman take sya ng take ng creatine di naman sya nag wo workout.. puro daldalan inaatupag sa gym.. alam ba nya na di naman pampalake ng katawan ang creatine? hahaha..

 

kakatawa talaga.. madalas nga nakakakita ako locker room ng gym iinom ng creatine, tapos sa workout sus..halos di man lang pinagpapawisan e.. puro upo at daldalan lang pala aatupagin.. para san pa yung creatine nya..

 

kaya nga wala yang theory theory na yan.. ako nga di ko alam mga tawag dun sa mga machine or workout na yan.. basta ginagamit ko lang..tapos..

[Olympus]

I had a friend. He has an Ectomorphic type of body, payatot talaga.

 

He asked my opinion and ask me kung anong magandang program pampalaki. I gave a simple program, more on dumbells nga eh. The next day sabi nya sa kin mali daw yung program ko sabi ng instructor nya. Pang advance daw yon. Napakamot ako ng ulo kasi advance ba yung:

 

flat bench press, alternate db curl, tricep extension, db row, db military press????

Simpleng 8 to 10 reps at 3 sets???? Ala akong nilagay na any supersets or exercise with machines kasi nga begginer sya.

 

Then nagulat ako kasi binentahan daw sya ng cell tech at nag iipon for nitro.... Inshort pineperahan sya.....

 

A month later sabi nya naninigas na daw yung binili nyang 5kg na creatine. Wow as in wow, 5kg ng crea binenta sa kanya. Eh 4 yrs na nga kong nagbubuhat di pa ko nakakaubos ng 2kg ng crea.

 

Up to now payat sya. Somewhere in QC ung gym, somewhere in Kalayaan???? Dont know eh

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A lot of trainers are dimwits and some are even the biggest steroid dealers in the gym.

 

Andrea, in all honesty, I wouldn't suggest any direct arm work for a beginner since this might get him carried away with it. Make him focus on the basics first. In regards to your friend, aside from a proper routine, his eating plan will make or break the routine

[Olympus]

e baka naman take sya ng take ng creatine di naman sya nag wo workout.. puro daldalan inaatupag sa gym.. alam ba nya na di naman pampalake ng katawan ang creatine? hahaha..

 

kakatawa talaga..  madalas nga nakakakita ako locker room ng gym iinom ng creatine, tapos sa workout sus..halos di man lang pinagpapawisan e.. puro upo at daldalan lang pala aatupagin..  para san pa yung creatine nya..

 

kaya nga wala yang theory theory na yan.. ako nga di ko alam mga tawag dun sa mga machine or workout na yan.. basta ginagamit ko lang..tapos..

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Madami ganyan in most gyms. I know a guy who always complained more than worked out and was wondering why di sha nagkakaresulta when the program I put him on was the same program I put my GF on and she is now deadlifting 120 lbs for 10 reps raw.

 

I always tell people that a guy on a crappy program working like an animal will always make better results than a guy on a good program working out half hearted

[THUG]

Sorry mga bro, pero i don't agree that this are all theories.

factual yung mga nakalagay sa mga magazines na ito kasi based ito sa mga scientific studies.  ang sinasabi ko lang it's how people interpret and how they understood these things.

mind you thug not all kargadors have good physique, yung iba sa kanila malalaki ang tiyan.  ilang beses na akong sumasakay sa barko and i know na di lahat ng kargador maganda ang katawan.

 

with regards to the mangbobote, personally ilang mangbobote na ang nakita ko pero di maganda ang katawan lahat sila payatot.  oo nga may abs sila pero yung katawan nila ngeek.  i don't know if this is your ideal body.  sana tinanong mo sa mangbobote kung ano yung ginagawa niya para magka abs siya.  baka ang isagot niya lang ay di ako kumakain ng tama.

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considering na di nga lahat ng magbobote at kargador maganda katawan, e di din naman lahat ng nag gy gym maganda din katawan hahahaha..

 

pero u have to consider di naman nagpapaganda ng katawan yang mga kargador at magbobote.. wala lang talaga alam na pagkakakitaan para makakain.. e yung mga nag gy gym.. kuntodo supplements pa.. kuntodo theories..

 

madalas nga may nakikita ako, punta sa gym palakad lakad lang.. upo..daldal..lakad..upo.. bench press 5 reps.. lakad uli..lakad uli.. upo..daldal..chika.. at sa bandang huli bigla itataas sando nya sabay pose sa salamin ng gym.. wow.. anlaki ..anlaki ng salbabida sa tiyan hahaha!

[THUG]

Madami ganyan in most gyms. I know a guy who always complained more than worked out and was wondering why di sha nagkakaresulta when the program I put him on was the same program I put my GF on and she is now deadlifting 120 lbs for 10 reps raw.

 

I always tell people that a guy on a crappy program working like an animal will always make better results than a guy on a good program working out half hearted

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actually ako when i first started trimming down and going to the gym, the gym instructor part owner also tried to sell me fat burner.. di ako bumili.. i just sweat my way by working out like a horse, lifting non stop without rest..

 

i lost few lbs, and looked much better..

 

but the biggest improvement i had was after 3 yrs, that i started cleaning up my diet.. and doing long slow running, instead of short and fast 30 minute runs.. so who needs those fat burners anyway..

[Equus]

AKO MWAHAHAHHAHAHA!!! I NEED FAT BURNERS!!! adik adik adik adik adik...

 

kidding aside, fat burners will only give you sweaty armpits and a racing heart if you don't work out... You have to recognize the fact though that there are people out there who have had significant gains with them fat burners... The best way to do this talaga is to have two people do the same program, live the same lifestyle, eat the same food and one takes supplements, the other wala... then we can really see... But IMHO, kung pagtabi mo yung dalawang taong yun, I'd like to bet that the guy who's doing the correct workouts with the supplements will have better and more significant gains rather than the ones who did not take the supplements... The supplements should be the LAST thing to consider... although, kung payat ka at nagpapataba ka... pucha the supplements make a world of difference...

[Olympus]

I haven't taken a supplement in ages but make sure my diet is decent enough. I've built more muscle and lost more fat than I've ever had in my entire life.

 

In regards to the klargador built, these guys can care less about aesthetics, their objective is to perform the task at hand. Function over form is their need. For those who have good aesthetics, it is but a byproduct of the GPP work they have done.

[crazykalbo]

i agree with things you say about crash dieting. thats really bad and can cause you to eat more in the long-run.

 

and equus, i feel yah bro! used to be so freakin fat and it sure did took a lot of effort to be huge but lean. if i didnt join the track team back then, i may have been so so so so soooooooo fat!!! hehe!

[guile1912]

it's not enough to read all the muscle magazines and apply what you have read.  kasi if you do not understand the principle ay balewala ang application niyan.  that's the problem to some instructors na dahil nakapagym lang ng matagal at kesyo nagbabasa ng mga ganitong libro ay mga mamaru (nagmamarunong) na.  they don't even know the principle of muscle contraction and how it works. it is not explained very well in these magazines. 

 

Like what quile 1912 advised for losing weight dapat less weights and more repetitions and aerobics.  if you want to gain mass dapat more weights with less repetition.  Kaya lang i don't know if this guy knows the rationale behind this program.  actually may kulang pa dito.  nawala yung diet.  diet serves also an important role in losing or gaining weight.

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PRE DJ25,

 

EATING CLEAN IS DIET.

 

WHAT DO I MEAN BY EATING CLEAN?

 

IT MEANS NO, FRIED FOODS, STRIP OFF AND MGA FAT, NO JUNK FOOD, AND DRINK ONLY WATER.

 

LESSEN YOUR INTAKE YOU PROCESSED FOODS.

 

UP YOUR DOSE OF VEGTABLES AND PROTEIN, KAHIT NGA CARBO YOU CAN INCREASE BECAUSE YOU ARE WORKING OUT.

 

 

DI BA?

 

 

THATS EATING CLEAN.

 

 

LIKE WHAT I SAID.

 

[guile1912]

DO YOU KNOW WHAT BODY BUILDING LITERALLY MEANS?

 

ITS MEANS BUILDING YOUR BODY FROM WITHIN AND EXTERNALLY.

 

KAHIT GAANO KABIGAT BINUBHAT MO PERO HINDI KA KUMAKAIN NG TAMA, EH YOURE NOT GOING TO GROW.

 

ANALOGY NYA EH, LIGO KA NG LIGO PERO DI KA NAMAN UMIINOM NG TUBIG.

 

DI BA?

 

[Olympus]

how fit are you? check this out: http://www.crossfitnorth.com/articles/Skil...spreadsheet.pdf

[dj25]

considering na di nga lahat ng magbobote at kargador maganda katawan, e di din naman lahat ng nag gy gym maganda din katawan hahahaha..

 

pero u have to consider di naman nagpapaganda ng katawan yang mga kargador at magbobote.. wala lang talaga alam na pagkakakitaan para makakain.. e yung mga nag gy gym.. kuntodo supplements pa.. kuntodo theories..

 

madalas nga may nakikita ako, punta sa gym palakad lakad lang.. upo..daldal..lakad..upo.. bench press 5 reps.. lakad uli..lakad uli.. upo..daldal..chika.. at sa bandang huli bigla itataas sando nya sabay pose sa salamin ng gym.. wow.. anlaki ..anlaki ng salbabida sa tiyan hahaha! 

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depende na siguro sa motive ng taong pumupunta sa gym. i agree na hindi lahat ng pumupunta sa gym ay maganda ang katawan ang iba ay either beginners pa lang or just hunting for someone. pero it's not fair to compare it to a kargador at magbobote kasi magkaiba silang dalawa. yung sa kargador or magbobote trabaho nila ito kaya dapat nilang gawin ito. yung sa mga nagpupunta sa gym minsan na lang luho or wala na talaga silang magawa. pero it's not a good advise na magkakargador ka na lang or magbobote para gumanda ang katawan.

 

 

PRE DJ25,

 

EATING CLEAN IS DIET.

 

WHAT DO I MEAN BY EATING CLEAN?

 

IT MEANS NO, FRIED FOODS,  STRIP OFF AND MGA FAT,  NO JUNK FOOD, AND DRINK ONLY WATER.

 

LESSEN YOUR INTAKE YOU PROCESSED FOODS.

 

UP YOUR DOSE OF VEGTABLES AND PROTEIN, KAHIT NGA CARBO YOU CAN INCREASE BECAUSE YOU ARE WORKING OUT.

DI BA?

THATS EATING CLEAN.

LIKE WHAT I SAID.

 

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quile1912, before you suggest regarding eating clean, siguro you should know first kung ano ang dahilan ng taong pumupunta sa gym. kasi di lahat sila pare-pareho and dahilan. kung ang motive ng tao ay magpapapayat siguro i would agree with your suggestion to avoid fatty foods. kasi yan ang goal niya. pero kung sinabi niya na magpapataba i would suggest some fat intake pero not too much.

do you really understand how fats, proteins, carbohydrates, creatinine, amino acids, etc affect our body. it is okay to take some supplements pero you should know when to use it. yan ang kulang sa ibang gym instructors hindi nila alam gamitin ang supplements na yan.

 

 

DO YOU KNOW WHAT BODY BUILDING LITERALLY MEANS?

 

ITS MEANS BUILDING YOUR BODY FROM WITHIN AND EXTERNALLY.

 

KAHIT GAANO KABIGAT BINUBHAT MO PERO HINDI KA KUMAKAIN NG TAMA, EH YOURE NOT GOING TO GROW.

 

ANALOGY NYA EH,  LIGO KA NG LIGO PERO DI KA NAMAN UMIINOM NG TUBIG.

 

DI BA?

 

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i don't know if this was meant to me.

i definitely know what body building means.

tsaka ang layo ng analogy mo ano kuneksiyon ng paliligo sa pag-inom ng tubig.

ito naman ang question ko sayo, alam mo ba talaga ang actions ng mga muscle mo sa katawan and how it could affect your physique?

[guile1912]

quile1912, before you suggest regarding eating clean, siguro you should know first kung ano ang dahilan ng taong pumupunta sa gym.  kasi di lahat sila pare-pareho and dahilan.  kung ang motive ng tao ay magpapapayat siguro i would agree with your suggestion to avoid fatty foods.  kasi yan ang goal niya.  pero kung sinabi niya na magpapataba i would suggest some fat intake pero not too much.

do you really understand how fats, proteins, carbohydrates, creatinine, amino acids, etc affect our body.  it is okay to take some supplements pero you should know when to use it.  yan ang kulang sa ibang gym instructors hindi nila alam gamitin ang supplements na yan.

i don't know if this was meant to me. 

i definitely know what body building means. 

tsaka ang layo ng analogy mo ano kuneksiyon ng paliligo sa pag-inom ng tubig.

ito naman ang question ko sayo, alam mo ba talaga ang actions ng mga muscle mo sa katawan and how it could affect your physique?

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PARE I DONT THINK ANYONE WOULD GO TO THE GYM PARA MAGPATABA,

MAGPALAKI MERON. MAYBE WHAT THEY MEANT WAS MAGKAROON NG LAMAN.

 

WE REALLY ALSO NEED FATS, IT HELP SUPPORT MUSCLE GROWTH. BUT THE HEALTHY KIND LIKE THE ONES FOUND IN FISH AND NUTS.

 

KAILANGAN MO DIN I-NOURISH ANG KATAWAN MO FROM WITHIN AND NOT JUST BUILDNG YOUR BODY FROM THE OUTSIDE.

 

MEDYO CONFUSING ITONG PART N ITO "actions ng mga muscle mo sa katawan"

 

WHAT DO YOU MEANT BY ACTIONS? PURPOSE? PLS ELABORATE YOURE QUESTION SO I CAN ANSWER.

[Olympus]

PARE I DONT THINK ANYONE WOULD GO TO THE GYM PARA MAGPATABA,

MAGPALAKI MERON. MAYBE WHAT THEY MEANT WAS MAGKAROON NG LAMAN.

 

WE REALLY ALSO NEED FATS, IT HELP SUPPORT MUSCLE GROWTH. BUT THE HEALTHY KIND LIKE THE ONES FOUND IN FISH AND NUTS.

 

KAILANGAN MO DIN I-NOURISH ANG KATAWAN MO FROM WITHIN AND NOT JUST BUILDNG YOUR BODY FROM THE OUTSIDE.

 

MEDYO CONFUSING ITONG PART N ITO "actions ng mga muscle mo sa katawan"

 

WHAT DO YOU MEANT BY ACTIONS? PURPOSE? PLS ELABORATE YOURE QUESTION SO I CAN ANSWER.

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Fat for muscle growth? are you sure?

[dj25]

PARE I DONT THINK ANYONE WOULD GO TO THE GYM PARA MAGPATABA,

MAGPALAKI MERON. MAYBE WHAT THEY MEANT WAS MAGKAROON NG LAMAN.

 

WE REALLY ALSO NEED FATS, IT HELP SUPPORT MUSCLE GROWTH. BUT THE HEALTHY KIND LIKE THE ONES FOUND IN FISH AND NUTS.

 

KAILANGAN MO DIN I-NOURISH ANG KATAWAN MO FROM WITHIN AND NOT JUST BUILDNG YOUR BODY FROM THE OUTSIDE.

 

MEDYO CONFUSING ITONG PART N ITO "actions ng mga muscle mo sa katawan"

 

WHAT DO YOU MEANT BY ACTIONS? PURPOSE? PLS ELABORATE YOURE QUESTION SO I CAN ANSWER.

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Yan ang ibang misconception ng mga tao. kapag pumupunta sa gym it's always magpalaki ng katawan. siguro baguhin ko lang yung term ko imbes na magpataba ay magkaroon ng laman.

i think okay na yung term ko. "WE REALLY ALSO NEED FATS, IT HELP SUPPORT MUSCLE GROWTH. BUT THE HEALTHY KIND LIKE THE ONES FOUND IN FISH AND NUTS." In what way can fats help support muscle growth? Medyo hindi ko ata nabasa ito ng nag aaral pa ako. Do you know the composition of your muscles. With regards to my question, actions ng mucles sa katawan mo, I mean do you know how your muscles act, example: your biceps brachii, triceps, brachii, latissimus dorsi, etc

[Olympus]

Yan ang ibang misconception ng mga tao.  kapag pumupunta sa gym it's always magpalaki ng katawan.  siguro baguhin ko lang yung term ko imbes na magpataba ay magkaroon ng laman. 

i think okay na yung term ko.  "WE REALLY ALSO NEED FATS, IT HELP SUPPORT MUSCLE GROWTH. BUT THE HEALTHY KIND LIKE THE ONES FOUND IN FISH AND NUTS."  In what way can fats help support muscle growth?  Medyo hindi ko ata nabasa ito ng nag aaral pa ako.  Do you know the composition of your muscles.  With regards to my question, actions ng mucles sa katawan mo, I mean do you know how your muscles act, example: your biceps brachii, triceps, brachii, latissimus dorsi, etc

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I never went to the gym with aesthetics as my goal, I always wanted to get stronger and improve my sport. Any aesthetic improvement was but a byproduct of training

[Equus]

I wanna be a freakin monster... ROAR!!! DA INCREDIBLE BULK!!!

 

meow

meow...

[Olympus]

I wanna be a freakin monster... ROAR!!! DA INCREDIBLE BULK!!!

 

meow

meow...

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sioopaaaao

[dj25]

I never went to the gym with aesthetics as my goal, I always wanted to get stronger and improve my sport. Any aesthetic improvement was but a byproduct of training

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for me here are the types of person that goes to the gym:

 

Person 1: I want to build strong and firm muscles.

Person 2: Gusto kong magpapayat.

Person 3: I want to have a good cardio.

Person 4: La lang, naghuhunting lang ng mabibiktima.

Person 5: For athletic purposes.

 

So an instructor, it's not dumb to ask the motive of your client before giving them any programs. Ito kasi ang kulang sa ibang fitness instructor, bigay lang ng bigay ng program. Kun sabagay, this is business, yung iba wala ng pakialam basta magkapera lang kaya kung ano anu ang binibigay.

[JesusFreak!]

THUG you are VERY ARROGANT, tulad ko. hehehehe

 

Im a 20 yrs old guy. 16 pa lang ako nag gym na ko. The thing is, sino ba ang paniniwalaan ko, ito bang BODYBUILDER na lumaki dahil sa experience at ordinaryong tao lang? Or itong GYM instructor na graduate to a reputable school, puro salita pero payatot naman.

 

Ang naging philosophy ko, "Pano kita paniniwalaan na lalaki ako or papayat ako eh tignan mo nga yang katawan mo"

 

Damating na rin yung time na nagcocontradict yung nagiging development ng katawan ko sa mga nakusulat sa magazines. Well I heard about the AFPP under Ms Shirley Qujeda. I just finished the Basic instructor program last March at Im about to finish the Advance. I studied for my self.

 

She taught us the principles. She stressed na di tayo pare parehas ng katawan, genes, muscular make up,. What would work on her might not work on me and vice versa. She created this course to correct the wrong perception of old instructors.

 

Alang certain rule kung pano ka magpapalaki or magpapacut down. She is there only to guide us. Its up to us kung pano tayo magiimprove.

 

I followed her principles. She did not told me any specific technique. Proud to say na Im cutting down my body fat but still I enjoy eating and maintain my muscle mass. The pictures on my post would prove what am saying

 

Pag sa ibang gym they would say wag ka kumaen. I asked a lot of my former instructor and the said wag ka kumaen. Nagtataka ako nawawala yung muscle gains ko at ala pa rin abs!!!!

 

THUG lets be less arrogant or parang mayabang. You might not intend to be arrogant pero iba kasi yung dating sa iba. Ganyan din ako dati eh.

 

Peace

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Bro, salamat sa post mo... I've been trying different programs and talking to different instructors to lose weight, kasi I used to believe that if you change programs frequently, you get to lose weight efficiently (kasi nag-aadapt yung body mo sa change, is that right ba, sir Olympus)... The only program that works fro me best was the first program my PE instructor made me way back in college... simple lang yung program na yun, at di ako inaabot ng isang oras.. ngayon, i work out almost like 2 hours per session and I never lost any weight.

[JesusFreak!]

Sorry mga bro, pero i don't agree that this are all theories.

factual yung mga nakalagay sa mga magazines na ito kasi based ito sa mga scientific studies.  ang sinasabi ko lang it's how people interpret and how they understood these things.

mind you thug not all kargadors have good physique, yung iba sa kanila malalaki ang tiyan.  ilang beses na akong sumasakay sa barko and i know na di lahat ng kargador maganda ang katawan.

 

with regards to the mangbobote, personally ilang mangbobote na ang nakita ko pero di maganda ang katawan lahat sila payatot.  oo nga may abs sila pero yung katawan nila ngeek.  i don't know if this is your ideal body.  sana tinanong mo sa mangbobote kung ano yung ginagawa niya para magka abs siya.  baka ang isagot niya lang ay di ako kumakain ng tama.

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kungsabagay, but most of them are... punta ka ng pier kahit saan man sa Pilipinas... halos lahat sa kanila magaganda ang katawan, me 8 pack pa yung iba.