Build A Model Body!

[Olympus]

point of fact.. there really was no communism to speak of... even at the height of russian power.. at best it was an extreme socialist country... hehehehehhehehe.. lalang...

 

3 weeks... i will have to brush up on my running... good excuse to run more and do better hiit...

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hmm... interesting...

[dj25]

i don't know what are your grudges againts PT. i guess you have a bad experience and you generalized all PTs.

but do you know that most of the trainors in the states are PT's.

in the philippine setting, we only have a small option here because our service is high and only the Class A and B could only afford our services. most of us worked as an instructor due to the fact that we have knowledge about the human body but it doesn't mean that all PT's are qualified to be an instructor.

[Olympus]

I think that most trainers in the states are part time coaches in othre sports and are CSCS holders (certifid strength and conditioning specialists), or degree holders in kinesiology or physiology... I have yet to meer a strength coach in the US who I have chatted with that is a PT grad

[dj25]

let's put it in a generalized way sir olympus.

most of the trainers at the states have atleast have some medical background or atleast have some background in these aspects physiology, kinesiolgy, and human anatomy. the certification you mentioned is a type of exam that a person should apply in order to gain a specialization in sports rehab or medicine.

[Eclipseguy]

i don't know what are your grudges againts PT.  i guess you have a bad experience and you generalized all PTs.

but do you know that most of the trainors in the states are PT's.

in the philippine setting, we only have a small option here because our service is high and only the Class A and B could only afford our services. most of us worked as an instructor due to the fact that we have knowledge about the human body but it doesn't mean that all PT's are qualified to be an instructor.

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Your earlier reply was so pointless that I feel dumber trying to think down to your level to figure out what the hell you were talking about. Maybe I'll go drink a beer (or 10) and that will slow my mind down a few ticks so I can digest your madness. I love it....really.

 

My bad experience is that I've been surrounded by PT's in the gyms (Gold's, Fitness First, Slimmers) here for the past 3 years that were all lost in the sauce. I've NEVER seen a PT get results for their clients. NEVER...as in NEVER EVER :thumbsdownsmiley:

 

 

You forgot to add the sad fact that all of the jobs for PT's abroad dried up about 8 years ago. It has nothing to do with Class A and B. Face the facts and move on with your life.

 

I am an AMERICAN who happens to invest here. I've lived in the States for 28 years and NEVER met a personal trainer who was a physical therapist....again, as in NEVER EVER....so don't dictate to me what goes on abroad unless you've been there.

 

The Philippines is the only place I've ever seen physical therapists working in gyms. I challenge you to name me JUST ONE renowned human performance specialist who is a physical therapists. C'mon smart guy....your chances of doing it are about as likely as your chances of getting a job in any of our future Eclipse branches :boo:

[Olympus]

let's put it in a generalized way sir olympus.

most of the trainers at the states have atleast have some medical background or atleast have some background in these aspects physiology, kinesiolgy, and human anatomy.  the certification you mentioned is a type of exam that a person should apply in order to gain a specialization in sports rehab or medicine.

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Exactly... only here in the Philippines do Physical therapists land a job as gym trainers.. the only "guru" I know who doesn't have a degree in the medical field would be Dan John, yet he never claims to be an expert.

 

The certificatio I mentioned does not give you specialization in rehab, it gives you a specialization in being someone who can create a strength and conditioning program for basically anyone.

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[Eclipseguy]

DAMMIT..I can't resist...this is too much fun

 

 

Yah right biochem is harder than PT.  give me a break.  if your argument is based on facts, well check your facts again.  i also based my argument on what i have learned and experienced.  i don't give advice to somebody and tell them to stick to it. it's up to them if they want to hear me out or not. 

 

>>>Biochem is harder.  The ranking goes 1) Chemical Engineering, 2) Chemistry, 3) Biochemistry, 4) Engineering (I forgot which since I stopped caring after I found my own heh heh)

 

>>>You don't give advice to someone and tell them not to stick to it?  What the hell kind of trainer are you anyway?  That is just blithering stupidity!

 

 

i guess the PT's your are referring to are those who do not have any gym experience at all.  do not compare me to them.  i know what i'm saying.

 

>>>Based on what?  Give me some of your clients before and after pictures.  If you want to compare notes, I have over 300 members at Eclipse who can give you a testimony.  That plus I coached a 105lb woman to a 325lb raw deadlift in one years time...that's 35lbs over the national record WITH THAT GEAR WEARING FULL GEAR.  Also, I've coached people to a total a level that stands to break at least 20 national records.  I coached the Men's Health Champion.

 

Uh...genius...we are talking about the GYM...not a rehab clinic where YOU'D ACTUALLY SEE STROKE PATIENTS.  Are you for real?!?

 

i hope you trackback your post.  you said that you rehabilitate a 71 y/o with almost zero mobility.  i know that topic is all about the gym.  i'm just giving some example.  why, haven't you had a stroke patient in your gym. 

 

>>>>What....am I supposed to stand out in the street in a thong, wait for someone to have a stroke at the sight of me, throw them in a wheelbarrel, and then start to massage and rehabilitate them?  Again, are you serious?  Are you a real person?!?    :boo: 

 

 

well, i guess if someone approached you with this condition you will be entirely clueless how to deal with his case.  don't you know that even PT's in the states require their patient to go to the gym to further increase their strength. 

 

>>>>NO...they rehab and increase their basic strength in the FREAKIN' REHAB CLINIC.  Doofus!  Even from a business perspective, which are what rehab clinics double as, you'd be a freaking moron to send your clients to the gym to have a trainer/gym get the fees when you could collect them yourself.

 

No...because it was incredibly freakin' boring and had NOTHING TO DO with a gymnasium environment.  I DO NOT enjoy working with stroke patients...so I chose not to do so.  And you are WRONG.  The biceps DOES NOT flex the arm.  Read Muscles Alive.  It should be required reading for a PT if it is not...or maybe you can't retain what you read.  Oops...I made an assumption.  I was kidding about the last thing about what you might or might not have done.  :thumbsupsmiley:

 

read my post again. i'm the one asking you the action of your biceps and explain to me why it is so?  the biceps does not flex the arm?  i thought your answer is based on faqs.  In what literature did you encounter this one.  maybe your the one who could not retain or understand what you read.

 

>>>>Hmmm..Muscles Alive, as I ALREADY SAID, Supertraining and Facts and Fallacies of Fitness by Dr. Mel Smith (probably the greatest biomechanics and human physiologist who ever lived), not to mention Coaches such as Charles Poliquin, and others.  You can even find it if you do a Google search.  I just watched a movie where a guy forgets something 5 minutes after he learns it.  Amazing how real life imitates fiction? 

 

Crunches are a waste of time unless you are using heavy weights.  Muscle biopsies of abdominal muscles confims that they are fast twitch muscle fibers, meaning they respond to heavy weights and low reps.  Doing weightless crunches will cause a plateau in 4-6 weeks.

 

Where is my explanation wrong?  Tell me so I can decisively shred your pointless arguments even further.  Genetics?  I was 5'10" and 115lbs when I begain training.  It took me 4 YEARS to get past 130lbs.  Now I'm 179 16 years later because I know what the hell I'm doing.  Let's compare guys I've trained to guys you've trained....and girls too.  Better yet, let's have them do a drug test.  Mine will be the first to line up to take it.

 

i hope you improve your explanation as well as your grammar.  it took you 4 years, man your program that time is not good.  you should check your faqs again   

 

>>>>Anyone reading how you write vs. how I write is probably doubled over with laughter after this statement you just made  :goatee:  :mtc:  :boo:  And you totally dodged the question and my challenge...because you know you would get your arse handed to you.

 

 

Did you even READ...or possibly UNDERSTAND what I even wrote?  Your reply is complete nonsense and gibberish that is completely unrelated to what was my point.  You're a fun guy...really 

 

i think we're both funny guys here.  i hope you read your own post.  if my reply is nonsense that is because the person i'm replying is a nonsene person.  well better not to reply again.  i don't want to be qouted same birds with the same feathers flock together. 

 

>>>>True....I wouldn't want to be lumped together with a DODO bird...they've been extinct for hundreds of years...or so we thought....wait...now I know what happened to the mighty DODO  :thumbsupsmiley: Maybe a few still exist...and learned how to type...poorly, but typing is still important....

 

If you want to accept my challenge, meet me at Eclipse in the next 3 weeks when I'll be available to embarrass cocky board members.

 

i admit that you must be bigger and stronger than me but i will not step down on your level.  i hope you react in a professional way or are you?

 

>>>>"i hope you react in a perfessional way or are you"  I have no idea what this sentence is trying to say.  A formal challenge is a professional method of handling a dispute.  But if you are a coward, so be it.  To step "down" to my level?  I guess the sky is falling.....upwards 

 

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[dj25]

i think why you cannot digest what i'm saying here is because that your feeble mind cannot understand what i've said. i'm not saying that i'm an expert because giving a program to an individual really varies. PT's dried up in the states, really now. i have lot's of friends who are in the US. i don't care if you are an american because there are a lot of americans who are dumb headed and think that they are superior to us asians because they are in the first world country. i'm not good in naming names because i only based my comments on what i read and i don't memorize their names.

i think instead of drinking beer you should drink brain enhancing supplements. lastly, i don't want to work to a dumb headed american employer. cheersssssssss

[Eclipseguy]

On the above post, I'm the one with the >>>>'s on that last point, counter point...plus mine has the proper grammar (except I had 2 beers and I messed some stuff up...I meant Dr. Mel Siff )

 

I hope everyone is enjoying the fireworks :mtc:

[dj25]

Exactly... only here in the Philippines do Physical therapists land a job as gym trainers.. the only "guru" I know  who doesn't have a degree in the medical field would be Dan John, yet he never claims to be an expert.

 

The certificatio I mentioned does not give you specialization in rehab, it gives you a specialization in being someone who can create a strength and conditioning program for basically anyone.

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i'm not saying that this certification is meant for PT. your right that anyone can be a certified strength and conditioning trainer. but how can you somebody get this title if he does not have any knowledge at all. for me, this is somewhat our advantage since this covers our curriculum. but it does not mean that a person who is not in the medical field is not qualified to take this test. as long as he knows the basics and still reads a lot i think he/she is qualified enough.

[dj25]

i'm really enjoying this one. i hope you guys are also laughing at this.

:mtc: :mtc: :mtc:

anyways, good morning to all.

[Eclipseguy]

i think why you cannot digest what i'm saying here is because that your feeble mind cannot understand what i've said.  i'm not saying that i'm an expert because giving a program to an individual really varies.  PT's dried up in the states, really now. i have lot's of friends who are in the US.  i don't care if you are an american because there are a lot of americans who are dumb headed and think that they are superior to us asians because they are in the first world country.  i'm not good in naming names because i only based my comments on what i read and i don't memorize their names. 

i think instead of drinking beer you should drink brain enhancing supplements.  lastly, i don't want to work to a dumb headed american employer.  cheersssssssss

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I knew you'd take the "American" statement in a bigoted/racist manner. Ignorance is beyond color or creed. The bait you take doesn't even need to stink.

 

So why aren't you in the States then if all of your friends made the cut...oops...I better not go there with you...don't want to hurt feelings any more....

 

Also, so explain to me why I invest in the 3rd world if I think America is so great?

 

We really think we are so superior? Again, why on Earth would I invest here if that was true?

 

"i don't want to work to a dumb headed american employer"....now I know why you are so bitter..."If you won't let me play, I'll just take my ball and go home...."

 

Milk is for babies, Beer is for men - Arnold Schwarzenegger

[dj25]

you know what, we're really out of the topic here. anyway, i'm still going to answer:

 

i'm here because i'm still processing my papers.

why americans invest in the third world countries because of cheap labor compared to the states. i think everybody would agree to this.

 

i don't want to work to a dumb headed american employer. i'm not generalizing this statement. i only connotes this to you.

 

to all reading this thread. just check eclipse since this guy is really lifting his gym, i think he is the owner. since this is his intention.

anyway, can you tell us your rate so that the guys here can check it out.

[Eclipseguy]

you know what, we're really out of the topic here. anyway, i'm still going to answer:

 

i'm here because i'm still processing my papers.

why americans invest in the third world countries because of cheap labor compared to the states. i think everybody would agree to this.

 

i don't want to work to a dumb headed american employer.  i'm not generalizing this statement.  i only connotes this to you.

 

to all reading this thread.  just check eclipse since this guy is really lifting his gym, i think he is the owner.  since this is his intention. 

anyway, can you tell us your rate so that the guys here can check it out.

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I thought you were going to bed

 

No...I'm here on this thread because I'm having fun...and other people on this thread, who happen to think you are a dope also, invited me here.

 

Gee...I invest in a GYM and STOCKS. So how exactly does either have to do with cheap labor? If I wanted to invest in cheap labor, I'd go to CHINA or INDIA. C'mon genius, I'm investing in fitness and stocks because there are TONS OF ROOM FOR GROWTH.

 

I'm not the owner...I'm the Director...and my investors "directed" me, to confront bone-headed physical therapists like you (bone headed because you fight and close your ears before you take a moment to listen to SOMEONE WHO HAS FAR MORE EXPERIENCE THAN YOU) before you destroy the fitness industry. Here's how: "When people go to the gym and bone-headed physical therapists can't get them the results that they pay for, they quit the gym and tell their friends not to join gyms." Therefore, people like YOU hurt people like ME, and everyone who is associated with me.

 

Enough with the "pick up my ball and go home". Everyone who knows me knows that physical therapists are not welcome at our branches since you do not have the appropriate qualifications to train athletes. Keep stroke victims and special populations where they belong...rehab clinics. Old news.

 

Processing your papers eh? Make sure you have someone spell check it as well as check for grammatical errors....I heard the "dumb-headed" American screeners are kinda' strict

[Eclipseguy]

I'm challenging you...put up or shut up. Show me one...just ONE client of yours who you transformed. I'll give you TWO of mine that were in local print media in the last 6 months alone. That doesn't include people I've coached for Body For Life abroad.

 

First, there's Elaine, the Men's Health Challenge winner. She is absolutely unbeatable in female fitness or powerlifting competitions. She was featured in Men's Health Philippines, January 2006.

 

Then, there was Erin, featured in the physical makeover section for Total Woman Magazine, March/April edition. She was hypothyroid but I took her from 140 to 105 in less than 5 months. You can't even recognize her.

 

And then there are the hundreds of others I coach...who were members of all of the mainstream gyms and got NOWHERE with their PT trainers. All you need to do is walk into Eclipse anonymously and talk to them...they would never take advice from anyone other than myself and another guy who posts on this thread.

 

The ball is in your court.

[Eclipseguy]

I'm going to say this very clearly so all the PT out there in internet land can understand me, loud and clear:

 

Your degree in PT makes you a liability...not an asset. I have to spend time untraining you in what you think that you know applies to fitness and teach you what actually works. Even PT's have come to me and admitted that they didn't know anything about fitness and asked for my help. For them, I have a heart and am willing to teach. For the arrogant majority who populate most gyms....stay away from our facilities.

[dj25]

hey eclipseguy, i saw your website.

i must say that i agree to some of your introduction.

however, some of them defies the teaching in medical aspect regarding physiology, kinesiology and human anatomy.

your program is only good for those individual who are physically fit as having no medical condition at all.

your concentration is squatting and deadlift exercises. why should i go to the gym if these are the main program that will be enculcated to me. i should have stayed at home and buy me some weights and barbel and do squats or deadlift on my own since.

you read the topic build model body, on my assessment your more own power exercises. not everybody in this thread wants to deadlift almost 300 pounds of weights.

and one more thing, in your website it was indicated that "DO NOT STRETCH BEFORE TRAINING! Pre-workout stretching of a muscle weakens it and makes it vulnerable for injury."

this defies the teaching in the medical course. a lot of doctors or fitness instructors recommend stretching since it prepares the muscles to the work out activity to prevent any injuries. it also enhances blood circulation and warm up phase. but in your gym you discouraged this.

i also read your post in other threads. instead of bashing other gyms and advertising your own, why don't you give advice.

well folks, just read the introduction in their website and judge for yourself if these works for you.

since as what eclipseguy is bragging that he has champion products.

anyway, i think i know who recommended you in this site to you.

is he a cry baby that he cannot comprehend what i've said and ask for his superiors to rebut me.

:evil: :evil: :evil:

 

by the way, here's the website.

 

http://www.eclipsegym.com/articles/mens_fitness.html

[Olympus]

i'm not saying that this certification is meant for PT.  your right that anyone can be a certified strength and conditioning trainer.  but how can you somebody get this title if he does not have any knowledge at all.  for me, this is somewhat our advantage since this covers our curriculum.  but it does not mean that a person who is not in the medical field is not qualified to take this test.  as long as he knows the basics and still reads a lot i think he/she is qualified enough.

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Actually, the sad news is that I think a certification is but a feather in your cap. I know one trainer from my former gym who is a CSCS and can't even teach proper form.

[Olympus]

Cge will try to visit this malapit lang pala sakin.. im just living in Diosdado Macapagal nr. Mall of Asia.. Lastly, i wanted to ask kung hindi ba hassle ang mag gym dito since its back to school days.. i have classes M-F. How often & how long will it take?

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you only need to go to the gym about thrice a week. Most of the members of eclipse are students and what makes it nice is they have learned to manage thier time. During thier midterms, you'll actually see some students studying in between sets

[Olympus]

hey eclipseguy, i saw your website.

i must say that i agree to some of your introduction.

however, some of them defies the teaching in medical aspect regarding physiology, kinesiology and human anatomy.

your program is only good for those individual who are physically fit as having no medical condition at all.

your concentration is squatting and deadlift exercises.  why should i go to the gym if these are the main program that will be enculcated to me.  i should have stayed at home and buy me some weights and barbel and do squats or deadlift on my own since. 

you read the topic build model body, on my assessment your more own power exercises.  not everybody in this thread wants to deadlift almost 300 pounds of weights. 

and one more thing,  in your website it was indicated that "DO NOT STRETCH BEFORE TRAINING!  Pre-workout stretching of a muscle weakens it and makes it vulnerable for injury."

this defies the teaching in the medical course.  a lot of doctors or fitness instructors recommend stretching since it prepares the muscles to the work out activity to prevent any injuries.  it also enhances blood circulation and warm up phase.  but in your gym you discouraged this.

i also read your post in other threads.  instead of bashing other gyms and advertising your own, why don't you give advice. 

well folks, just read the introduction in their website and judge for yourself if these works for you.

since as what eclipseguy is bragging that he has champion products.

anyway, i think i know who recommended you in this site to you. 

is he a cry baby that he cannot comprehend what i've said and ask for his superiors to rebut me. 

:evil:  :evil:  :evil:

 

by the way,  here's the website.

 

http://www.eclipsegym.com/articles/mens_fitness.html

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Based on personal experience, too much stretching before lifting can actually be counter prouctive. Analogy, think of a rubber band that you stretched too much, it becomes frail and brittle. I belive that stretching does have its place, such as before playing a game of basketball and for martial arts, but for heavy lifting i would rather warm up using dynamic stretches.

 

Oh by the way, before jumping on the gym as a whole, there is always an assessment test and a PARQ for any risk factors which is mandatory for any gym who cares for their members.

 

I know you also love this industry and I admire your passion... However, let us also take into consideration that some aspects that you know may not be that applicable to developing strength.. In the sense, if we are a team of mechanics restoring a car, one person cannot handle all aspects diba? Once it comes to rehab, I'll personally ask your opinion since you are more knolwedgeable than me

 

Can't we all just get along and keep the topic in check por favor? :cool:

[rOyaL gigOLo]

merOn bang nakakaaLam kung san nakakabili ng Kettle Bells?

[Equus]

okay okay okay... good morning everyone... i think its really hard to judge things based on theoreticals... You know what they say, in any war, the right ones are the winners... for all we know if hitler had not lost the war, then we would probably not consider his atrocities as wrong...

 

PT's really have a bigger disadvantage against strength and conditioning coaches.. I also come from a medical background and my personal observation is that PT's will come at a loss when you start hitting performance training... im not sure but i have a feeling that the curriculum just does not cover this aspect of health very well... Also, like in all medicines, the ratio for safety in a PT curriculum is VERY wide... sometimes too wide for any actual results to occur...

 

The human body is really a strange thing... Almost everything is really subject to interpretation or perception... thats why there are sooooooooooooo many types of specialists... PT's are really good for rehab and pain management but alas my opinion is that they won't be good for anything more than that unless they go through further training...

 

As for you Eclipseguy, you have really gotten my curiosity going... would have wanted to visit you guys this weekend but surf's up...

 

I must say however that though I recognize your experience, a dogmatic stand on what is right and wrong is what basically got these arguments started in the first place... One gets a feeling of "yeah, i've heard it all before from other disillusioned medical professionals, etc. etc..." when you start posting yer comments... though Im sure you can back up these statements that you have made, a normal, inquisitive and challenging individual like myself will only be more than willing to try debunking these generalized statements... human forum nature i guess... heheheheheheh

 

I'll try passing by yer gym later this week though... hope i can get a chance to meet u guys... And ofcourse to everyone else out there, this shou always be a learning experience... learn from everything that has been posted here... parang kaseng telenovela...

[Olympus]

merOn bang nakakaaLam kung san nakakabili ng Kettle Bells?

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I think mas maganda pagawa ka nalang

[rOyaL gigOLo]

mukHang Ok nGa pasadya na lang, napagtanungan kO na yta laHat ng spOrts stOre at pati sa raOn perO waLa taLaga... :cry:

[THUG]

If you are going to step to me, I'm going ask you to step up.  First I'm going to challenge you to a powerlifting competition and the first attempt for deadlift is going to be 200 kilos, followed by a 150 kilo bench press.

 

Then you and I are going to do a 5 k race, with a bunch of other things to follow.  I can run it about 20 minutes right now....and I rarely do cardio.

 

You give tons of bad advice and act like you are the only "real" athlete around here.  Dream on.  A REAL athlete is a balanced individual.

 

A true endurance athlete does strength training with low reps to increase their stride length and power.  Back in 2000 I was stashed with US Navy Seals and I had a chance to work out with them quite a few times when I was waiting for Aviation flight school.  These guys routinely lifted using heavy free weights and did plenty of running...and routinely won marathons in their cities or regions.

 

If you want to accept my challenge, meet me at Eclipse in the next 3 weeks when I'll be available to embarrass cocky board members.

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duh.. 5k race?? thats for sissy's like you, and you call yourself "true endurance athlete?.. i dont run 5k even on recovery runs.. i always run 10k daily..

 

and what does lifting 200 kilos mean? do you burn fat by deadlifting 200 kilos?

 

 

why dont we do it longer.. perhaps i assume you can swim..

 

lets do a 5 kilometer swim followed by a 40 kilometer run?

 

this guy is a lunatic guys.. dont believe him. he is just here to brag about his 'supposed' new training discoveries and inventions , this guy and Olympus should rather play chess or checkers to improve their brain power..