Build A Model Body!

[Eclipseguy]

I'm going to say this very clearly so all the PT out there in internet land can understand me, loud and clear:

 

Your degree in PT makes you a liability...not an asset. I have to spend time untraining you in what you think that you know applies to fitness and teach you what actually works. Even PT's have come to me and admitted that they didn't know anything about fitness and asked for my help. For them, I have a heart and am willing to teach. For the arrogant majority who populate most gyms....stay away from our facilities.

[dj25]

hey eclipseguy, i saw your website.

i must say that i agree to some of your introduction.

however, some of them defies the teaching in medical aspect regarding physiology, kinesiology and human anatomy.

your program is only good for those individual who are physically fit as having no medical condition at all.

your concentration is squatting and deadlift exercises. why should i go to the gym if these are the main program that will be enculcated to me. i should have stayed at home and buy me some weights and barbel and do squats or deadlift on my own since.

you read the topic build model body, on my assessment your more own power exercises. not everybody in this thread wants to deadlift almost 300 pounds of weights.

and one more thing, in your website it was indicated that "DO NOT STRETCH BEFORE TRAINING! Pre-workout stretching of a muscle weakens it and makes it vulnerable for injury."

this defies the teaching in the medical course. a lot of doctors or fitness instructors recommend stretching since it prepares the muscles to the work out activity to prevent any injuries. it also enhances blood circulation and warm up phase. but in your gym you discouraged this.

i also read your post in other threads. instead of bashing other gyms and advertising your own, why don't you give advice.

well folks, just read the introduction in their website and judge for yourself if these works for you.

since as what eclipseguy is bragging that he has champion products.

anyway, i think i know who recommended you in this site to you.

is he a cry baby that he cannot comprehend what i've said and ask for his superiors to rebut me.

:evil: :evil: :evil:

 

by the way, here's the website.

 

http://www.eclipsegym.com/articles/mens_fitness.html

[Olympus]

i'm not saying that this certification is meant for PT.  your right that anyone can be a certified strength and conditioning trainer.  but how can you somebody get this title if he does not have any knowledge at all.  for me, this is somewhat our advantage since this covers our curriculum.  but it does not mean that a person who is not in the medical field is not qualified to take this test.  as long as he knows the basics and still reads a lot i think he/she is qualified enough.

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Actually, the sad news is that I think a certification is but a feather in your cap. I know one trainer from my former gym who is a CSCS and can't even teach proper form.

[Olympus]

Cge will try to visit this malapit lang pala sakin.. im just living in Diosdado Macapagal nr. Mall of Asia.. Lastly, i wanted to ask kung hindi ba hassle ang mag gym dito since its back to school days.. i have classes M-F. How often & how long will it take?

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you only need to go to the gym about thrice a week. Most of the members of eclipse are students and what makes it nice is they have learned to manage thier time. During thier midterms, you'll actually see some students studying in between sets

[Olympus]

hey eclipseguy, i saw your website.

i must say that i agree to some of your introduction.

however, some of them defies the teaching in medical aspect regarding physiology, kinesiology and human anatomy.

your program is only good for those individual who are physically fit as having no medical condition at all.

your concentration is squatting and deadlift exercises.  why should i go to the gym if these are the main program that will be enculcated to me.  i should have stayed at home and buy me some weights and barbel and do squats or deadlift on my own since. 

you read the topic build model body, on my assessment your more own power exercises.  not everybody in this thread wants to deadlift almost 300 pounds of weights. 

and one more thing,  in your website it was indicated that "DO NOT STRETCH BEFORE TRAINING!  Pre-workout stretching of a muscle weakens it and makes it vulnerable for injury."

this defies the teaching in the medical course.  a lot of doctors or fitness instructors recommend stretching since it prepares the muscles to the work out activity to prevent any injuries.  it also enhances blood circulation and warm up phase.  but in your gym you discouraged this.

i also read your post in other threads.  instead of bashing other gyms and advertising your own, why don't you give advice. 

well folks, just read the introduction in their website and judge for yourself if these works for you.

since as what eclipseguy is bragging that he has champion products.

anyway, i think i know who recommended you in this site to you. 

is he a cry baby that he cannot comprehend what i've said and ask for his superiors to rebut me. 

:evil:  :evil:  :evil:

 

by the way,  here's the website.

 

http://www.eclipsegym.com/articles/mens_fitness.html

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Based on personal experience, too much stretching before lifting can actually be counter prouctive. Analogy, think of a rubber band that you stretched too much, it becomes frail and brittle. I belive that stretching does have its place, such as before playing a game of basketball and for martial arts, but for heavy lifting i would rather warm up using dynamic stretches.

 

Oh by the way, before jumping on the gym as a whole, there is always an assessment test and a PARQ for any risk factors which is mandatory for any gym who cares for their members.

 

I know you also love this industry and I admire your passion... However, let us also take into consideration that some aspects that you know may not be that applicable to developing strength.. In the sense, if we are a team of mechanics restoring a car, one person cannot handle all aspects diba? Once it comes to rehab, I'll personally ask your opinion since you are more knolwedgeable than me

 

Can't we all just get along and keep the topic in check por favor? :cool:

[rOyaL gigOLo]

merOn bang nakakaaLam kung san nakakabili ng Kettle Bells?

[Equus]

okay okay okay... good morning everyone... i think its really hard to judge things based on theoreticals... You know what they say, in any war, the right ones are the winners... for all we know if hitler had not lost the war, then we would probably not consider his atrocities as wrong...

 

PT's really have a bigger disadvantage against strength and conditioning coaches.. I also come from a medical background and my personal observation is that PT's will come at a loss when you start hitting performance training... im not sure but i have a feeling that the curriculum just does not cover this aspect of health very well... Also, like in all medicines, the ratio for safety in a PT curriculum is VERY wide... sometimes too wide for any actual results to occur...

 

The human body is really a strange thing... Almost everything is really subject to interpretation or perception... thats why there are sooooooooooooo many types of specialists... PT's are really good for rehab and pain management but alas my opinion is that they won't be good for anything more than that unless they go through further training...

 

As for you Eclipseguy, you have really gotten my curiosity going... would have wanted to visit you guys this weekend but surf's up...

 

I must say however that though I recognize your experience, a dogmatic stand on what is right and wrong is what basically got these arguments started in the first place... One gets a feeling of "yeah, i've heard it all before from other disillusioned medical professionals, etc. etc..." when you start posting yer comments... though Im sure you can back up these statements that you have made, a normal, inquisitive and challenging individual like myself will only be more than willing to try debunking these generalized statements... human forum nature i guess... heheheheheheh

 

I'll try passing by yer gym later this week though... hope i can get a chance to meet u guys... And ofcourse to everyone else out there, this shou always be a learning experience... learn from everything that has been posted here... parang kaseng telenovela...

[Olympus]

merOn bang nakakaaLam kung san nakakabili ng Kettle Bells?

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I think mas maganda pagawa ka nalang

[rOyaL gigOLo]

mukHang Ok nGa pasadya na lang, napagtanungan kO na yta laHat ng spOrts stOre at pati sa raOn perO waLa taLaga... :cry:

[THUG]

If you are going to step to me, I'm going ask you to step up.  First I'm going to challenge you to a powerlifting competition and the first attempt for deadlift is going to be 200 kilos, followed by a 150 kilo bench press.

 

Then you and I are going to do a 5 k race, with a bunch of other things to follow.  I can run it about 20 minutes right now....and I rarely do cardio.

 

You give tons of bad advice and act like you are the only "real" athlete around here.  Dream on.  A REAL athlete is a balanced individual.

 

A true endurance athlete does strength training with low reps to increase their stride length and power.  Back in 2000 I was stashed with US Navy Seals and I had a chance to work out with them quite a few times when I was waiting for Aviation flight school.  These guys routinely lifted using heavy free weights and did plenty of running...and routinely won marathons in their cities or regions.

 

If you want to accept my challenge, meet me at Eclipse in the next 3 weeks when I'll be available to embarrass cocky board members.

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duh.. 5k race?? thats for sissy's like you, and you call yourself "true endurance athlete?.. i dont run 5k even on recovery runs.. i always run 10k daily..

 

and what does lifting 200 kilos mean? do you burn fat by deadlifting 200 kilos?

 

 

why dont we do it longer.. perhaps i assume you can swim..

 

lets do a 5 kilometer swim followed by a 40 kilometer run?

 

this guy is a lunatic guys.. dont believe him. he is just here to brag about his 'supposed' new training discoveries and inventions , this guy and Olympus should rather play chess or checkers to improve their brain power..

[Olympus]

duh.. 5k race?? thats for sissy's like you, and you call yourself "true endurance athlete?.. i dont run 5k even on recovery runs.. i always run 10k daily..

 

and what does lifting 200 kilos mean? do you burn fat by deadlifting 200 kilos? 

why dont we do it longer.. perhaps i assume you can swim..

 

lets do a 5 kilometer swim followed by a 40 kilometer run? 

 

this guy is a lunatic guys.. dont believe him. he is just here to brag about his 'supposed' new training discoveries and inventions , this guy and Olympus should rather play chess or checkers to improve their brain power..

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You always run 10k daily? really now? So that most likely makes you a skinny b-a-s-t-a-r-d as I have yet to meet anyone who is well built and runs 10k...

 

besides, is endurance all you have to brag about? I thought you were an athlete that is fit all around? Oh by the way, I'd rather spend my time at work since it pays more and lets me learn words such as insightful irrevelavnt, and a word that best describes one track minded guys like you... SENILE!

[Equus]

guys guys guys... no more name calling... step up nalang sino kayang mag step up... ako alam ko talo ako but i will step up kasi i want to prove a point that one of the most important aspects in fitness is competition.. with yourself.

 

so come on thug, step up... at hindi ako nang aasar ha... i mean if you really truly believe the things that you say, then put it to the test... to make things friendlier, im sure we can have some sort of handicapping according to body weight... fair naman yun diba? what you say? at least this way the people here in this forum can be finally convinced na we're not all talk...

[Equus]

its kinda useless if we throw theoretical crap at each other pero hindi naman natin kayang panindigan... in my gym, sometimes i end up training the fitness trainers... the reason for his is this forum and all the other things that i have learned and read... the trainers have me train them because they see work my ass off in the gym and they see that i get results despite the fact that i dont have a training partner, spotter, trainer, coach, etc... just pumping iron with the corect form, motion and sequence... so i think instead of all this bickering and insults, lets just see who can put their money where their post is... hehehehehehe... its not about who's the most muscled... its going to be about who has the best ability to dish out strength per kilogram of body weight... para nga naman fair...

[Equus]

If you are going to step to me, I'm going ask you to step up.  First I'm going to challenge you to a powerlifting competition and the first attempt for deadlift is going to be 200 kilos, followed by a 150 kilo bench press.

 

Then you and I are going to do a 5 k race, with a bunch of other things to follow.  I can run it about 20 minutes right now....and I rarely do cardio.

 

You give tons of bad advice and act like you are the only "real" athlete around here.  Dream on.  A REAL athlete is a balanced individual.

 

A true endurance athlete does strength training with low reps to increase their stride length and power.  Back in 2000 I was stashed with US Navy Seals and I had a chance to work out with them quite a few times when I was waiting for Aviation flight school.  These guys routinely lifted using heavy free weights and did plenty of running...and routinely won marathons in their cities or regions.

 

If you want to accept my challenge, meet me at Eclipse in the next 3 weeks when I'll be available to embarrass cocky board members.

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thug i think this one was for you... these are the original parameters... I'm willing to give it a shot... money involved? ayus lang but that means i will make it really competitive... as in bastusan competitive... if you want to keep it healthy and friendly, no money involved...

[x3mspeed]

Sir Olympus ilang hours po ba yung macoconsume per sesssion ng 3x a week? & what will happen kung hindi mameet yung 3x a week?