Edmund Dantes

Mas kilala mo pa ako kesa. Sa sarili ko, ayus ah, ako nakaka experience kaya alam ko sinasabe ko...try mo kaya muna, kahit one time lang, hndi naman ako nagpapawasak sa situation kaya alam ko pa din position ko at alam ko kababagsakan ko kung sakali, try mo muna na pumasok sa ganun situation para mas reliable un preachings mo sir.

Dude, you are also preaching your own brand of gospel (i.e. na tao din sila na dapat mahalin, mas desente pa kesa sa mga babaeng may office career), and I am preaching mine. Thing is, huwag ka mapipikon, hindi komo MTC ito sa lahat ng pagkakataon validation makukuha mo. You voluntarily offered yourself as a specimen, so its expected someone will dissect you di ba? Isa pa, tulad ng sinasabi ko, hindi ko intensyon na gawing kang masama o laitin pagkatao mo ng GF mo at nino man.

Ito isipin mo ha. Hindi komo ang isang tao wala sa eksaktong kalagayan mo, mali na sya sa mga sinasabi nya at di ka naiintindihan. Lahat ng reactions na sinabi mo sakin, at lahat ng response mo, sinabi ko na din yan noon. Kaya nga gasgas na ang linyang "wala ka sa kalagayan ko kaya di mo naiintindihan". Kungbaga sa isang substance abuse counselling ako yung may problema sa drugs, ikaw naman yung alcoholic. But our behavioral patterns and defense mechanism (denial for instance) are predictably the same. People who gave their 2 cents on my situation then were people who never experienced what I have, but you know what I learned in the end? Tama naman sila eh. May punto sila. Mas nakita nga nila ng maayos sitwasyon kasi nga, hindi sila emotionally attached. Emotions like it or not cloud sound judgement. If I say wala ako sa sitwasyon mo, then you can argue na "ano ba alam ko?". If I said I was, then I am a hypocrite. Eitherway you see me as someone who is a threat to your happiness.

Lahat naman siguro kahit anong sitwasyon, ganito magisip pag sobrang lasing sa emosyon. Pag mahal mo, di mo tinitignan yung pangit at kahit pa yung mali. Ang titignan mo lang yung maganda at nakakapasaya sayo. You are hopeful, you are optimistic, you rationalize it. Anybody who has been in and out of love understands this. Ako noon, sabi ko hindi mali na mahal namin isat isa, ang mali yung sitwasyon namin. So we ignored the situation, until it just sank in. In yours, if I read correct, no expectations, geniune friendship, pero may intimacy and you are sharing each other your deepest secrets. Well I am the one not emotionally attached so I see the complication clearer than you do. Kasi you are already giving so much kahit wala ka masyado pinanghahawakan maliban ang happiness na meron kayo.

Dude, my own brand of gospel has been consistent. Walang masama magmahal sa kahit anong klaseng babae. Pero lagay naman sa tamang lugar. Be fair sa sarili mo, kung handa ka magbigay ng lahat, its not a bad idea to ask din naman for something more para sa sarili mo. Na calculated ng mabuti yung risks mo, and kung di man kayo magkatuluyan, you wont end up with the same pain and bittereness you had with your previous relationships. I am not saying pwede ka lokohin ng mga babaeng ito sa pera. In fact naloko na ako ng babae sa pera, pero I hardly had bitterness over it. Kasi pera lang yan eh. Kikitain mo naman yan ulit. Pero yung sugat sa pride, sugat sa pagkalalake, yun ang mahirap gamutin. Lokohin mo na ako sa pera huwag lang sa manly pride ko.

Pero tulad ng sabi ng isang ito, nasa iyo naman yan sa huli. Sana nga you don't look back like the rest of us did and say, "ay tama nga pala sila". I don't expect to have many friends in this thread. Like I said, I am aware some come here to seek validation. I give my 2 cents to whoever voluntarily offers himself as a specimen. Many hated me (hence negative votes), 1 thanked me, and some take what I say with an open mind.

 

ask ko lang ulet sir, hindi ko lang sure kung na itanong ko na to before, or kung natanong ko man eh, kung nasagot mo un tanong ko.

 

Have you ever experience this kind of situation? have you been on my shoes? nagkaron ka na ba ng relationship or have you experience na magkaron ng nobya sa ganitong work para un ang maging basis mo sa mga opinion mo about my experiences and others as well???

 

last time I check, pareho lang kame kumakain ng kanin at umiinom ng tubig, humihinga...in short, tao pa din sila and they still deserve to live a happy life depending on their definition of what happiness is.

 

what I'm trying to say is that, hindi lahat nagpapakalugmok sa ganun trabaho, their circumstances in life may have changed and led them to enter into this kind of profession, but then again, they still deserve to be loved and taken care of. hindi naman makaka alis yan sa trabaho nya ng basta basta, may mag aalis nga sa kanya sa ganun trabaho, eh binahay naman sila, ganun din suma, libre iyot kasi binahay sila, masaya ba sila??? hindi mas worse pa nga minsan pag ganun. para sa ilan, it is just a phase in their life, and nag iipon lang ng pang capital para maka pag umpisa ng sariling negosyo, at yun nakita ko sa kanya na hindi ko nakita sa iba...may pangarap sya at hindi habang buhay na Spakol Therapist ang trabaho nya.

Sinagot ko na yang tanong mo na yan. No wala akong nakarelasyon sa ganyang hanapbuhay. Pero naranasan ko na din ang umibig sa maling sitwasyon at maling tao. Kaya naiintindihan kita at nakakapagcomment ako ng ganito. Nung ako nasa ganyang sitwasyon, lahat ng nagpapayo sakin ng taliwas sa gusto ko, tinuring ko na kalaban ko. Antagonist sa happiness na meron ako. Na tulad ng gusto mo tumbukin, wala sa kalagayan ko kaya hindi ako naiintindihan. And you know what I realized? These people did mean me well, and naiintindihan nila ako. Mas naiintindihan nga nila to a certain extent, kasi hindi sila emotionally clouded tulad ko noon, at tulad mo ngayon. Dude if I maybe frank, you are too emotionally clouded, you already start deluding yourself with the idea mas mabubuting babae yang mga nasa ganyang trabaho kesa sa mga may pinagaralan. Grow up a bit man! Gasgas na yang linyang "hindi mo kasi ako naiintindihan".

And lets not cloud the issue here. Spare the ad misericordiam please. Like I said, I have friends who used to be career criminals and one of them I look up as a sort of daddy figure. Hindi issue dito pagiging tao nila, o justified na pumasok sila sa ganyang trabaho and all. Ang issue dito is it wise to pursue a romantic relationship with them. Sure I wont mind befriending them and share a meal with them. But am I gonna be intimate at the same time and give them access to all of my emotions? Not really.

Lalong hindi issue din dito ang karapatan na mahalin at magmahal. Lahat naman kahit sinong ungas dyan pwede sabihin ito. PERO it takes a level of maturity and wisdom to nurture a healthy romantic relationship that does indeed help you become a better person and not just a happy one. Kaya nga, calculate your risks properly. Feel with your heart, but decide with your mind. Hindi ka na teenager para laging magpadala sa bugso ng damdamin at irationalize itong mga cracks that can prove your undoing.

Finally, come on man! Lahat ng babaeng dumadating sa buhay mo is special in a way. Im sure before you wanna start calling them b!tches, naging prinsesa sila sayo. The love of your life, the queen of your heart etc. My point is, basta mahal mo yung tao she becomes special. May nahahanap ka sa kanya na di mo nahahanap sa iba, thats given because no 2 people are exactly alike. Kaya nga tinatanong ko (not in anyway intending to demoralize you) don't you think nasayo ang problema kaya hindi nagiging successful mga nakaraan relasyon mo? Do you honestly think you are not just repeating the cycle by letting your emotions dictate your thinking?

Hindi ko kasi ugali maghabol sa babae, kaya tumaas un count ng mga naging x ko. And yes, if they want out so be it, hnd ko pinag sisiksikan un sarili ko kung ayaw na, drama lang yun. Kaya nga wala kame label para wala kame masyado expectations sa isa't isa at hndi kame magkasakitan.

I dont think you are following me parekoy. Hindi naman dito pinaguusapan kung nagmakaawa ka for you to stay with them. The question is, do you think you properly defended yourself emotionally when you were with them? Or did you just fall completely and allow that bliss to carry you away? Kasi if thats the case, then talagang magiging lapitin ka ng babaeng loloko sayo. I am not saying you should not trust. Just learn the basics of emotional defense. Most people dito magaling manamantala.

As for your setup dun sa babae mo ngayon, OK yang ganyan na walang expectations walang tawagan, KUNG WALANG SEX AT INTIMACY. Tulad ng sabi mo, you tell each other secrets, you have feelings for her, you trust her a lot, and if you guys are having sex, para sakin kumplikasyon na yan eh. At masyado ka pa ding vulnerable sa setup na yan. Di bale ng pera makuha sayo pre, kikitain lang naman yan ulit. Pero yung pride, pag yan ang nabasag napakasakit at minsan hirap ng ayusin

Sir Edmund lalaki ako ako ang isa sa mga nagka gf ng therapist before. mali yata tong post mo well anyway i did asked her and convince her to leave this kind of job, but it's up to the girl pa rin naman diba. yung ex kung yun ang huli ko lang balita sa kanya tumigil na nga daw sya sa "spa" yun lang ang huli kong balita sa kanya noong 2011 pa yun. so i hope ok naman sya

Sorry I didn't phrase that properly. I am saying, kung ikaw yung babae layasan mo muna trabaho na yan tapos saka ka magnurture ng romantic relationship. Its a reasonable condition naman. I dont understand why so many people have to contest it. Pag lumabas na sya dyan, di at least mas magiging managable na relationship

cardingtigas, if I may, I know we agreed on certain things before but after reading this, in my opinion, you're getting carried away. You're generalizing. Just because you got cuckolded by girls with decent jobs doesn't mean all girls with decent jobs are into cuckolding their husbands or bfs. Then you meet someone from the spa industry whom you became attached to and because of this you, again, generalize that girls in this industry are better than girls with decent jobs. The way I see it, it's your emotions that are dictating this post. I'm just stating an observation and I don't mean to offend you or anything.

I agree with mason here. This is in my opinion not a good way to rationalize your situation Cartigans.

Let me ask you something. Your past girlfriends, nung masaya ka sa kanila, naisip mo ba na sasaktan ka nila the way they did? Hindi naman di ba? At one point you were blissfully happy with them and you also thought it would last forever. In fact most probably, whatever imperfections they had you would have ignored dahil masaya ka. The way perhaps you are doing right now. Balewala trabaho nya sayo, hindi mo pagdududahan na baka masaktan ka din nya, lahat makikita mo yung magaganda lang. Di ba?

We dont wanna crucify you or anything pero sana nga, maintindihan mo sinasabi namin dahil kami dito ang hindi emotionally attached sa issue. Another thing that may sting you a bit, tingin ko kasi, masyado mong sinisisi yang mga babaeng yan. Ever thought na may kasalanan ka din naman kahit papano why your relationship hurt you the way it did? Again nobody is saying na ikaw yung masama. Ang tanong ko lang, did you properly defend yourself emotionally sa mga relasyon na yan? Like I said thats how you get taken advantage of by any woman. And if you never took time to fix the problem sa nakaraan, baka dinadala mo lang yan sa kasalukuyan. On and on lang ang cycle. So what happens if this one fails again? Will you put all the blame sa babae?

 

I've seen her worst, we had an exchange of harsh words nung minsan nag away kame again hindi work related, pre alam ko un sinasabe mo, hindi nako nakakaramdam ng kilig d2 sa taong sinasabe ko, oo 29 lang ako, pero madame din ako naging ka relasyon outside this industry and believe me, they're worst than these ladies na nasa ganitong industry. mas ginago at niloko pa nga ako ng mga "ordinary women" na sinasabe mo. yan ang major difference ng mga nakilala ko personally d2 sa industry na to, they know that I know kung anu pwede nila gawin sa unsuspecting guys na lumiligaw sa kanila. kaya in a way na mitigate ko na un risk ng maperhan lang ako ng mga tulad ng sinasabe mo. nagkakaron lang naman ng biktima pag may nag papa biktima, medyo lumalayo na usapin, what I'm trying to say is that, hindi nya gagawin sakin un dahil mas matimbang un pinag samahan namin kesa sa mga iniisip ng ibang tao =)

Oh do not say that. If you are saying something like this, then you still need more lessons on emotional maturity. First of all, do not underestimate how people can grow worst. Like I said, you are still in the infatuation phase. You can keep trying to convince anyone na hindi ka nakakaramdam ng kilig, but the way you approach the issue says it all. Para sakin, the mere fact that you conveniently ignore certain cracks and slips and do your best to rationalize them means you still are. Ganyan talaga ang in love, I understand. But saying you already saw her at her worst is just naive. Kung magasawa nga yan din sasabihin sa umpisa, pero sa huli naghihiwalay din at nababalewala ang maraming taon na pinagsamahan. I know to you maybe I sound too antagonistic or pessimistic even. But hear me out with an open mind dito. Kung medyo shaky yung foundation nyo you will have nothing to bank on when you leave the infatuation phase. Now lemme ask you, does she tell you her plans on how to leave the game? Kelan nya gagawin yun? At bilang isang tao na gusto magmahal unconditionally, don't you think na tama lang hingiin mo naman ito para sa sarili mo? Do you think minamahal mo sarili mo ng tama by making compromises like this? Think about it.

 

Wow. Salute to you sir. I'm kinda of on same boat. I call it open relationship.

 

@ Sir Edmund I think we should respect other peoples opinion. I read your post and sa totoo lang kung matatanggap mo sila for what they do... Again hindi lahat ng tao pare pareho.

I have friends who are ex convicts. Former career criminals almost half of their lives. Tindi pa nga ng mga tatoo sa katawan. Yet one of them I look as a sort of father figure. My point is, I do not have a problem accepting people based on their past or even present to a certain extent. But romantic relationship is a whole different ball game. UUlitin ko since the point needs to come across ng maayos. Kahit sinong ulol may karapatan magmahal at mahalin. But it takes proper emotional maturity to make one really work and be healthy. Hindi lang yan happy happy dapat.

I do respect people and their opinions. Just because I do not agree with everything they say, it does not mean I dont respect it. Ganun lang talaga yun. In fact, I understand, most of you who come here look for VALIDATION. that precious validation. Na tama kayo sa ginagawa nyo, it will pay off in the end, you will prove your naysayers wrong, and you will have a cinderella ending. All people who are in love are like that.

 

mga babaeng CPA na tulad ko, may med rep, may nurse, and one marketing officer, all of them, gagohan lang nangyare, most of them nag 2 time and some are just plain psycho. yun ang hindi ko maintindihan bakit kung sino pa un maayos ang trabaho eh sila pa un kung umasta eh parang walang pinag aralan =)

 

in my opinion, mas nakaka sigurado ako na may limitation sya with her clients, at "trabaho lang" ang ginagawa nya pag nasa loob sya ng cubicle with her client. mas may peace of mind ako pag ganun kesa dun sa mga naging x ko outside the spakol world na hindi ko alam ang ginagawa pag naka talikod ako.

Ok man, lets stop and think about this. Hindi kaya mali ka lagi ng babaeng pinipili mo o mali yung babaeng nakakapili sayo? Have you ever thought that maybe you are more of the problem than they are? I don't mean to judge your character or anything like that. I AM NOT IMPLYING YOU ARE A BAD MAN EITHER. That statement lang kasi is just..... well.... naive. So hindi ka makahanap ng babaeng matino sa regular na mundo, tingin mo ngayon mas malinis pa yung mga nasa ganitong industrya? Don't you think you are making such a hasty generalization just because you had a couple of bad experiences? And now na masaya ka, this is how you rationalize things?

Ok hindi ko sinasabing masama kang lalake ha. Maybe you are a natural romantic. But the thing is, how good is your emotional defense? Kasi ang taong in love mababa ang depensa sa puso at utak. Thats how you get taken advantage of by bad women from the regular world and the trade di ba? Sabi mo marami ka ng naging relasyon, but how long did you spend learning from each of them?

Dude, listen lang with an open mind sana tutal you voluntarily offered yourself na as a specimen. Tingin ko kasi sa accounts mo, mababa pa din masyado emotional defense mo ngayon IMO

tama si sir Sephirot pag naiinlove na yung guy nawawala na rin yung libog, napapalitan na eto ng respeto at hiya don sa girl. tapos unti unti na ding tumitigil yung guy sa pag papagawa sa kanya yung tipong massage na lang and wala ng "extra" hanggang sa totally hindi na talaga nagpapagawa, kung pupunta man yung guy sa pinagtrarabahuhan ng therapist dalaw na lang. lahat naman tayo gusto natin sila tumigil sa ganyang line of work. don naman ako agree kay sir edmund kanina sa post nya.

Then do everything in your power to get out of that business and start a new life. With that new life start a healthier relationship ng walang sabit o problema. Kung kaya tanggapin lalake nakaraan mo, then good luck. Let yesterday be the past.

Anybody can fall in love, but it takes certain maturity and preparedness to enter a serious relationship. Like I will always say, hindi pinapasok ang isang relasyon dahil lang masaya ka. Only teenagers do that.

 

Note: hindi ako nag hhate basta basta =)

 

wala naman kinalaman un edad sa pagiging emotionally mature ng isang tao. eh sa ganun ko sya nakilala at naging magkaibigan, sabe ko nga dba, hindi ko sya therapist kahit nuong top thera pa sya. nagkapalagayan kame ng loob, we comfort each other during sa mga times na down kame..i don't think may mali sa situation namin. aminin ko hindi ako ganun kayaman para alisin sya sa ganun line of work and hindi dapat manggaling sakin un, kelangan sya mismo sa sarili nya ang mag alis sa sarili nya, kasi kahit anung gawin ko pag alis sa kanya sa ganun klaseng trabaho eh kung un mismong may katawan ang may ayaw for some reason na beyond our control eh useless din.

 

oo madalas kame nagtatalo lately pero hindi dahil sa work nya, but because of other personal things kaya sa tingin ko, un sinasabe mo na "kilig stage" ay nalampasan na namin, pero hindi porke wala na un kilig eh wala na kame pake sa isa't isa.

 

I think what really keeps us together is our open communication, walang lihiman and maayos at mahinahon na pag uusap.

 

Again, what do we have may not be perfect but its worth it =)

Dude, kahit dalagitang 16 anyos na gusto na makipag-tanan yan din ang sasabihin. Its not really your age I am attacking here. But based on how you present your case, I can sense that you are still building emotional maturity. Kasi kung susumahin, lahat ng mga sinasabi mong ito, sinasabi mo dahil masaya ka pa. Andyan pa ang bliss. Lahat para sayo maganda at tama dahil masayang masaya ka. Naiintindihan ko naman yan. Lahat ng taong in love ganyan pakiramdam. Kaya nga may iba dyan, kahit harapharapan ng niloloko, tinatangap lang. Kasi lahat kaya mo tanggapin basta nasa infatuation phase ka pa.

Dude hindi komo nagaaway kayo minsan ay ibig sabihin wala na kayo sa infatuation phase. Halata naman na andyan pa yung bliss and maganda pakinggan ang mga sinasabi mo, pero at some point you need to address certain cracks and slips that you conveniently ignore, rationalize, and justify dahil lang masaya ka.

Excerpt from one guy here in MTC that I truly agree with. Pag masaya ka, lahat nagiging tama, pero hindi komo nakakapasaya sayo isang bagay tama na ito.

Don't you get it? Its not the situation that you are in right now. Its about how you decide to make right for both of you. If you keep ignoring this simply because you are happy, then you are not being emotionally mature. Sabi mo gusto mo makaiwas chismis sa mga katrabaho nya. This is one minor slip I think you are conveniently ignoring. Because if for some reason you need to keep a relationship on the down low, then maybe..... Huwag na nga. Basta alam mo na dapat yun

 

nagkataon lang sir na binata pa ako and nasa calendaryo pa nman kaya ayus lang. we started out as friends, nagkataon lang na pagiging therapist ang work nya, anu magagawa ko, sa ganun situation ko sya nakilala at naging magkaibigan and hindi ko talaga sya therapist kahit nuon pa. cautious din naman kame with each other kasi nga we don't want to see our friendship dissolve into nothing pag nilagyan naming ng label un relationship namin, but things got out of hand, one thing led to another then ayun na, we found ourselves stuck with each other in a way that we don't define what do we have. what we really care for is each other, I may not always be around her kasi nga she still have to do her job being a therapist but we make it a point that we see each other pa din from time to time. naging top thera sya before somewhere sa QC and madame dame din nanligaw sa kanya nuon hanggang ngayon, pero hinahayaan ko nalang kasi at the end of the day ako pa din naman kasama nya... what do we have may not perfect but its worth it =)

Sorry you will probably hate me for this.

But I sense medyo bata ka pa, at medyo still developing emotional maturity. And its good you see things that way at the moment. But just be cautious, don't be a fool to believe na hindi kayo lalampas sa infatuation phase. When tapos na lahat ng kilig na yan, magiiba na din pananaw mo sa lahat ng bagay. Ngayon kungbaga honeymoon pa kayo. Sure enjoy it while it last, but be prepared din dapat pag tapos na yang phase na yan

 

naka off na un negative votes na button =)

Ok Ill take this then as a thumbs down sa sinabi ko. Like I said, its understandable. Pag masaya ka, lahat nagiging tama. Walang mali. At lahat ng sumisita kalaban na gusto lang basagin yung kaligayahan mo.

The scenario I see on this is pati libog nawawala kung na-inlove na ang guy. They will have respect sa girl and they rather be with her doing kwentuhan or dine together rather than have sex. Sometimes walang choice yung guy pumunta sa work kasi yun lang ang chance na makasama yung girl but usually wala pang serious commitment ang girl kaya di nila pinapaalis sa work. Siguro pag serious na talaga on both sides then dapat tumigil na ang girl sa ganyang line of work.

No I disagree. Thats very naive. Hindi nawawala libog dahil in love ka, tumitindi pa nga yan lalo kasi wala na kayong inhibitions sa isat isa. At ang sabi ko, hindi lang libog at kilig ang dahilan for you to pursue a romantic affair with someone. Any idiot can fall in love. But it takes a certain level of emotional maturity to love at the right place, at the right time, with the right person. Hindi lang yan puros dinner date, kwentuhan etc. Kahit nga ang mga relationships with regular people nawawala din sa infatuation phase. This is true for all relationships. It gets to the point na nawawalan na kayo ng dati nyong enthusiasm sa mga date o kahit sa kama pa. At kung shaky foundation nyo dahil puros lang kayo kilig kilig, believe me it will never go far.

 

I envy you sir that you have that kind of opportunity with your thera. Wish I can do that also but its near to impossible.

Dude, ano naman dapat mo ikainggit? Madami ka naman for sure mayaya ng ganyan sa labas ng MP o Spa di ba? Give it a shot!

Ang consistent stand natin sa issue ay simple lang.

OO lahat ng klase ng babae kahit ano pa background nya may karapatan magmahal at mahalin. Pero ang pagmamahal, ilalagay dapat sa tamang lugar para umusbong ng tama. Hindi lang puros kilig at lib0g dapat yan para magwork. Dapat may respeto, tiwala, at higit sa lahat loyalty.

Kung gusto ng babae magmahal at mahalin, di talikuran nya ang trabahong ito. Iwan nya nakaraan nya at sikapin magbagong buhay. That way she can offer more sa partner nya other than mga nakaw na sandali. Kung kelangan maghanap buhay talaga, eh mamili sya. Hanapbuhay o pag-ibig. You can't always have both and make compromises. Life works that way. You need to make sacrifices and choices. It is what it is.

Para sakin, entertaining a relationship while the girl is still active in the game is kalokohan talaga. Alam ko I will tap nerves again saying that. Pero tingin ko yung iba dito kasi sobrang in denial. Kaya nga, be emotionally mature naman. Kung konting kilig at lib0g lang pinagbabasehan mo ng katwiran walang mangyayari sa inyo.

Ill be counting negative votes later lol

naghihintay lang si Mayweather ng panahon na humina kahit konti ang punching power at bumagal ang hand speed ni Pacquaio before nya labanan

 

duwag si Mayweather pero matalinong duwag

Pwede, parang si Sugar Ray Leonard. Inantay medyo humina si Hagler bago nilabanan. Tapos nung nanalo via highly disputed nagretire at di na binigyan rematch....

But on the other hand, with his caliber, skill, and size alam nyang kayang kaya nya si Pacquiao. No he will of course not fight toe to toe. Hed rather use his own aggressiveness against him.

I think its more of ego really ng parehong camp kung bakit di ito matuloy tuloy. Floyd wants to dictate terms from a business perspective because he is the one that brings money to the table. He does not wanna do business with Pac's promoter due to bad history. Si Pacquiao naman, I believe he wants this fight, and maybe willing to give in to the conditions, but when his management team advices him negotiations fall apart. Sana nga sila lang dalawa magusap.

well thats true skillwise pero bgo tumumba si pacquiao kay marquez eh basag na ilong nya bugbug sarado na and pbagsak n dn in short suicidal punch ung tnamon ni marquez pero tumama then talo si pacman! in my opinion ndi susugal ng gnun si mayweather tsaka tactically wise mas mgaling yta si marquez dun! tsaka the only way to beat FMJ is through knock out kung decision lng npakalabo nun

Give Marquez full credit. Hindi aksidente pagkapanalo nya mula sa isang suicide punch. It was a perfectly timed lounging straight counter. Marquez was in no harms way kasi nga inurong nya pa ulo nya sa gilid para di tamaan ng kaliwa ni Pacquaio. Plus 6 months naghanda si Marquez, si Manny 2 lang at panay pa bulakbol sa training.

Tama ka hindi lalaban ng sabayan si Mayweather. Tingin ko papakainin nya ng sneaking stiff jabs si many at ifru-frustrate sa unang mga rounds. Sa casual fans hindi ito entertaining panoorin. Pero sa nakaexperience na ng totoong sparring, maapreciate mo na mental game ang boxing. Sa sparring kasi dapat malamig ulo mo at huwag ka mangigil. Kundi magkakaroon ng butas guard mo at sapul ka sa baba. Nakakainis kasi yung wala sa mga suntok mo na nga tumatama tapos nasisingitan ka pa ng matitinding counter na di mo nalalaman kung san nangagaling. Yan ang tinatawag na bull vs matador fight. Ginagalit mo kalaban mo para maging reckless at magkamali. Kaya panay din trash talk ni Mayweather para pumasok sa ring ang kalaban na gigil na gigil.

the only thing fmj cannot adjust is his age..his legs are not the way they used to be...and thats bad for the business.

True, nanghihina na rin reflexes nya. But in the same way, Pacquiao isnt the same fighter he was in 2009. Hmmmm lets see na lang.

 

yes its true skill wise Mayweather got the advantage but he will never get toe to toe with Pacquiao like Marquez did...

 

if Mayweather requesting for a rematch clause is true then this will be a trilogy..

 

Mayweather watch Pacquiao's fight live but Pacquiao never watch a Mayweather fight live!

Mayweather knows that Manny is an aggressive fighter. He will most likely use his own aggression against him. He will make him miss and frustrate then counter him with sneaking left jabs. Believe me, this is a mental strategy that works in sparring. Lalo kung yung kalaban mo parang nakakaloko pa mukha pag napupuruhan ka. All the adrenalin flowing its so tempting to just be reckless, and before you know it? Boom! Lights out! good night.

 

Ang layo naman ni Pacquiao kay Ndou at Mitchell. Yun kay Ndou kaya si FMJ ang exciting fighter -- parang malabo naman na ganun mangyari vs Pac. Yun dalawang fight na yan low intensity footwork.

 

Mas malapit siguro FMJ vs Chavez, angat lang ng onti sa volume si Pac, onting dagdag ng footwork, southpaw tapos may stamina for 12 rounds.

Malayo na kung malayo, ang punto ko dito, lahat naman ng klase ng istilo kayang magadjust ni Mayweather. Si Pacquiao masyado ng nalatag ang blueprint para talunin sya. Isa pa, ang mahirap kay Pacquiao ang dali nya tamaan lalo kung pasugod. Kahit kay Marquez hindi nya magamit yung volume punching approach na ginamit nya kay Margarito at dela hoya. Pano, papasok pa lang sya napupuruhan na, tapos pag kelangan na umatras ng konti di na alam gagawin. Now mas mahusay na counterpuncher si FMJ, mas mahaba din ang Jab at mas mabilis handspeed. Papano nya papasukin yun ng di sya matatamaan?

Sakin, gusto ko matuloy laban syempre. Pero kung skillwise lang hindi ako pupusta kay Pacquiao

Bro, agree ako sa analysis mo, except dun sa walang strategy. Simply put, strategy ni Pacquiao will be volume punching.

 

A. Sobrang galing ni Mayweather talaga, maiiwasan nya lahat

B. May makakalusot na suntok --- does not need to KD or KO, score lang

 

If A, kelangan talunun ni FMJ si Bradley at Algieri sa pag back pedal -- won't look good sa judges

If B, ano kaya itsura nun sa judges? Fight 1 to 47 wala nakaka-score, tapos 48 meron na?

 

Hindi ako nag-iilusyon na ma-KO ni Pacquiao si FMJ, pero kung si Maidana naka-score ng rounds, bakit hindi si Pacquiao. Hindi naman pulpol sumuntok si Pacquiao, may asinta naman.

 

At, hindi na 2009. Parehas na tigang sa KO yun dalawa. Di nako aasa na makaka KO si Pacquiao man or Mayweather. Papogian sa mata ng judgest ang laban sa tingin ko.

Si Pacquiao, dati na na-c-counterpunch -- nothing new kung si Mayweather ang gagawa. Ang pinaka-downside sa skillset talaga ni Mayweather is defensive fighter sya, so ang strategy is make him a defensive fighter most of the rounds to a fault gamit ang volume punching.

Panoorin mo laban ni Floyd kay Ndou at Shamba Mitchell, parehong volume puncher pero hirap mapatamaan kasi deflected lahat ng suntok. Magaling talaga shoulderroll defense. Tuck your chin to your deltoid and move your waist and shoulders to deflect blows. Point is, marami na din nakalaban si FMJ na volume punchers ang istilo. Aside from that, mas maganda reflexes nya at handspeed. Kakain si Pacquiao ng maraming Jab kung susubukan nya pasukin. At pag napaatras na sya, hindi na makalaban. Dun sya napupuruhan lagi ni Marquez.

OO makakapuntos siguro si Pacquiao ng round, pero yung problema nya against precision boxers di nya talaga naayos. Master tactician si Floyd. Hindi naman komo counterpuncher eh boring na sa mata ng judges. Hindi naman magiging perfect record ni FMJ kung lagi nya tinatakbuhan kalaban nya. Lamang nga lagi sya sa punch stats eh. Siguro sa mga causual fans boring ang ganitong style ng boxing, pero kung inaaral mo itong sport na ito, maapreciate mo yung laro ng precision fighting.

Anyway, I take nothing from pacquiao, he is a good offensive fighter, but I dont see how he will win this fight.

Pag may sakit ka po na depression mas lalong lumalala if quick fix lang po...pag orgasm may rush ng dopamine sa brain kaya masarap mag release pero sa taong may condition na iba, di masarap sa kanila, it makes them feel dead po and more sad. Pag depressed din bagsak ang libog aka libido...

Tama ito. Hindi talaga pleasurable ang sex sa isang taong may depression. After mo labasan, mas magiging bagsak lalo yung mood mo. Add to that hindi ka din makakafunction ng mabuti. Pansamantala siguro maaliw ka, pero tulad ng alak at drugs, pag wala na yung pleasure andun pa din yun sakit. Yan ay dahil hindi mo inaayos ang totoong diperensya. At ang diperensya ay ikaw mismo. Isa pa, mauubos lang pera mo dyan kakabalik hindi mo naman naayos yung totoong problema

Kudos to you sir....ok exercise it releases good anti stress hormones...the good thing is exercise still works for you kasi may kilala akong mga girls na Divalproex sodium, rivotril, seroquel and dormicum na yung katapat ng depression nila. They tried yoga, pole dancing and having a lot of sex pero temporary relief lang sa kanila, I belong to an industry kasi na image matters. Nagbiro lang ako sa isang model who is slim hindi na kumain ng lunch and dinner until after the show....lols.

 

Have you tried also St John's Wort? it has .3 percent hypericin which is actually a folk remedy po in Europe. no studies yet to prove its effectiveness pero it works daw accdg to some users I interviewed. Mas mura pa kaysa sa mga SSRI and other CNS drugs.

 

Salamat ulit sa pag share ng situation mo ser.

 

 

 

No I have not tried that medication. Nagconsult naman ako ng maayos at nadiagnose properly. I was given medication to relieve the symptoms and yun nga exercise dapat, nakuha naman dun.

And no problem, we do what we can to try to make people more aware of what depression is and how it really works. Satin kasi ang mga may clinical depression madalas stigmatize ng kung ano ano. Its just as bad as making fun of people who have physical disabilities

Street workout!

The monkey bars, the park bench, the garbage bags all can be used for various exercises. A small park can be turned to an outdoor gym with the right knowledge

What Pacquiao needs to do is negotiate this fight himself, not through Koncz and sure sh!t not through Arum. When Arum enters the negotiation everything falls apart. May bad blood si Arum at si Floyd alam natin yan. Arum being the promoter will want to have the final dictate. Floyd being the highest paid boxer wont have any of it. Marquez left goldenboy to have that rematch with Pacquiao.

Yes, I think alot of people don't know depression, and they treat it like it's something nalilipas din parang depress that nag break ng partner, siguro dahil hinde rin masyadong pinapansin ung depression sa pinas unlike sa states. Dito more or less, inuman or good talk lang madalas okay na ung iniisip nila.

So true, masyadong ignorante ang mga tao satin kung ano ba talaga ang depression. Stigmatizing people with depression, anxiety disorder, and mental issues is just as bad as making fun of someone with cerebral palsy. Even worse in a sense because sometimes they are thought of as violent lunatics, eh sinong tao ba naman ang gusto madepress? Kung ako tatanungin, magkaroon na ako ng parkinsons o maputulan ng paa, pero huwag lang talaga yung clinical type of depression. Yung tipong di ka na makakain, di ka na makakilos, di mo matakasan yung hirap kahit sa pagtulog mo.

And sakin kasi without proper diagnosis, it can actually make it a lot worse to the point maging out of control na buhay mo. Like how some people deal with their depression with vices (drugs, sex and alcohol). Dito na lang sa mga threads, madaming naga-advice na punta ka ng spakol o MP para mawala depression. Actually hindi naman yan tutulong. Maaliw ka saglit oo, pero hangang di mo inaayos problema na nasa iyo, ubos na pera mo, nahawa ka na kung ano anong sakit, naswindle ka ng ng regular attendant mo depressed ka pa din.

Sorry to hear that sir, irreversible kapag may damage sa brain eh, pero ang goal is to be functional. Personal experience ko may church member kami na diagnosed na bipolar 2, una puro kami pray, go to church, ask a pastor...he wouldn't even try those things pero may kilala din po ako na after nya mag church and counseling nawala yung depressed state po niya despite being in a psych ward and taking those meds. Nakatulong yung church po. Siguro yun coupled with theraphy. May na interview din po kasi ako na psychologist who came across a study na galing sa India, according to the study majority ng mga cases na pinag aralan nya ng depression ay karaniwan daw ay may "evil spirit" na kasama ang tao kaya associated sa depression. I found it credible kasi hindi taong simbahan ang nagsulat and Hindu pa....yun lang po...

I dont know much about "evil spirits" and if there is any scientific approach towards them. But what I do know is that depression is more often caused by a traumatic experience, or inherent disability (again this does not equate insanity). There are certain kinds of depression that can be dealt with pep talks and saturday morning cartoons. But there are some that really require doctors opinion na. If you leave the symptoms unchecked you might worsen the problem.

Tama ka, brain damage does not equate insanity or di ka na functional. What I hate sa kultura natin is that if you mention things like this, or say na you need a doctor, people automatically stigmatize you as sira ulo. You don't get stigmatized for being epileptic or diabetic, but when you say you are depressed people either think you are insane or mahina kasi "pananalig mo".

In my case kasi, my condition ay typical din sa isang babae na kakatapos manganak. How ironic. I was not really given antidepressants, I was given multivitamins lang and some light medication to aid my sleep. I was also advised to have a regular exercise program which really helped a lot turning my life around. These days, I rely on exercise to help control my mood swings and keep the "down emotions" at bay. Kaya nga pag may ilang araw na di makagym o takbo, thats when I start losing sleep again and start feeling down. My friend who is a church fanatic told me "Excercise and Yoga will not help you, only the love of Christ will"...... I mean thats romantic and all but at the same time also very ignorant.

Like I said, there is nothing wrong about practicing religion. Religion helps a person becomes more disciplined but it does not always act on the symptoms. Problem with church fanatics is that they fail to understand that when Jesus said "man shall not live by bread alone" he didnt mean you don't need the bread and just keep reading the bible. Also, you can't cure an illness really by saying "Spirit of depression I rebuke you in the name of Jesus". If we could get anything by simply saying the name of "Jesus" all the time, then we would all be lazier human beings now wont we? She does not even understand why I can't trade my exercise schedules to go to their church. I need to keep positive hormones flowing in my blood stream, because if I don't lahat ng bible study na yan, walang magiging epekto kung sobrang down yun mood ko.

Thanks for clarifying... but from the loss against Marquez, Pacquiao someway change to more precision and not brute force... hesitant and not careless

 

well if the odds really on the side of Mayweather it would be an easy fight against Pacquiao right!

 

style, techniques or whatever skills this both Fighter have would not be tested unless the 1 & 2 P2P Boxer fight! we dont know who will win unless we pick someone side.

 

can Mayweather agree for 100Million purse against Pacquiao or we might be again be dismayed?

 

Mayweather got his hands full... no professional athlete can have a one day 100Million paycheck! this will be history!

I don't think its always Mayweather's fault why the fight wont happen. Remember that before he went to prison, he wanted to fight Pacquiao for a cinco de mayo showdown. He evThen called him out in social media. The negotiation took place, pero it all fell apart kasi nakialam si Bob Arum at dalawa yung dahilan na binigay kung bakit di pwede date na yan. Una may tahi sa kilay si Manny mula sa laban kay Marquez which was 5 months ago so its rubbish. Even more rubbish, kulang daw ang panahon para magpatayo ng outdoor stadium sa las vegas strip. Which is also rubbish kasi ang cowboys stadium nagaalok na ng laban. I think kung si Pacquiao at Mayweather lang maguusap sa isang kwarto matutuloy ito. Not saying that Mayweather is not at fault himself, what I am saying is, its not all him. Madami kasi sumisingit na negosyador sa kampo ni Manny. In a way tama si Floyd, baka mas maganda iwan nya muna si Bob Arum.

Look at his last fight, Ill never understand why kinasa sya kay Algieri. Algieri only had 1 championship fight and he won it via split decision. He was hardly an elite, and hardly deserving. It does not prove that Manny is back, it only proves that he beat an inexperienced paper champ. And you all wanna complain that Floyd is a cherry picker when for the last 10 years he fights better champions than Manny does?

r u a professional boxing analyst just askin?

 

im not an avid Pacquiao fan how can you say that his styles dont have a chance against Mayweathert bcoz he have problems against Marquez.

 

now they are luring Mayweather for 100Million Paycheck against 60M for Pacquiao to agree for a fight...on my view point he will again make reservation not to agree and not to gamble his unblemished winning record.

No of course not. I am not a professional analyst nor a fighter. Most that I do are conditioning drills lang, I don't really spar. But I understand that this is not just a sport of brute strength and heart. This is also a game of tactical finesse. Kelangan depende sa style at anatomy ng kalaban mo, magaadjust ka. What people fail to understand is that Boxing is not like that BS you saw in Rocky IV.

Ang nakakatawa sa mga tao dito, laging hype lang naman pinagbabasehan. Komo kasi villain yung persona ni Mayweather, hindi na nirerespeto yung skill set nya. Kesyo cherry picker, duwag, takot matalo etc. Pero hindi naman makapagpresent ng tamang analysis kung papano nga sya matatalo. Kahit magbackread ka sa thread na ito, not one person presented a clear strategy on how Pacquiao is gonna beat him and why. Let us not forget that Floyd is really a master of adjustment and has fought all kinds of styles. Inside fighting, outside fighting, brawlers, slipsters, precision boxers, name it. Not to mention, his defense is difficult to break

Now as to why Pacquaio can't win, he always had a problem against precision fighters who can catch him moving in. Akala lang natin naayos na itong problema na ito dahil sa pinakita nya kay Dela Hoya Hatton at Margarito. Eh puro pasugod maglaro ang mga ito at kaya nya sabayan. Isa pang problema na Pacquiao, he can't fight when he is moving back. Dun sya nadadale ng follow up kay Marquez. Mayweather is the better counterpuncher, plus has better defense and reach advantage. Come on! Pacquiao will always fight the way he knows best, its too late to change his game. He just won't win and it is what it is.

As to mayweather naman not wanting to gamble, well critics will always talk smack about him because he is the current villain of the sport. But if we would look objectively, puro champion naman nilalabanan nya in the last 10 years. They said he'd never fight an unbeaten and young Canelo Alvarez, but he did beat him.

lol si mommy d, palaging agaw eksena. yung algieri fight hindi masyadong exciting, alam naman siguro ng marami mananalo si manny kasi hindi naman gaano sikat yung kalaban niya at hindi rin ganun ka-experienced.

True! Impressive pagkapanalo ni Pacquiao more of because mismatch yung laban. Isa pa lang ang panalo ni Algieri sa isang world championship bout. Yung panalong yun, split decision pa. Si Ruslan Provodnikov lang naman ang nakalaban nya na worth noting. Tsaka, disappointing din si Algieri kasi parang tulad ni Clottey gusto lang ng big payday. Undeserving sya sa laban na ito kung ako tatanungin.

Higit sa lahat, hindi ito ang laban na kelangan ni Manny para patunayan na kaya nya talunin si Mayweather. Labanan nya siguro ulit si Marquez at talunin nya convincingly.

Alam ko lahat tayo gusto natin makita Pacquiao Mayweather, pero from analyzing styles at styles lang, hindi mananalo pambato natin.

Never toy with someone's emotion especially when they are giving the best of themselves to you, because you never know how you may just bring out the worst of them instead.