Palakol

Gabriel Garcia Marquez

Chuck Palahniuk

Robert Greene

three very different writers. basically, i'd read anything they sign their name to.

Oldboy. depressing and immensely disturbing.

SOUL MEN ni Bernie Mac at Samuel Jackson

Haunted by Chuck Palahniuk (2005)

No Nutrition Facts and ingredient listings? maybe we can disect it from there

they say it's a kind of mushroom from the highlands of tibet. previously used by chinese royalty. probably psychedelic.

CordyMax® Cs-4®

someone's trying to sell me this "stamina booster" thing. anyone ever used this?

Question; who does it better? The veteran boxing announcer, or the voice of the octagon? Boxing announcer VS MMA announcer.

suwabe ang boses ni mike. ginamit nga siya sa zohan. si bruce, normal lang.

i'd say MMA is gonna k*ll pro wrestling... even kids now don't watch much wrestling like we did when we were their age...

i wouldn't say that. MMA still lacks the intricate and dramatic storylines in pro wrestling. (like Kane being Undertaker's dead brother. who could forget that?)

and have you seen our URCC heavyweight champ's batista and undertaker impersonation?

oo ba. matagal na ako walang katabi matulog. hindi ako tatakas.

Yes. Mike Tyson has got big muscles. I doubt he got that from weight training though (I am not sure). I admit, that I've not been to a boxing gym the last 15(?) years, but no, you will not see any freeweights there. Mike, I believe, got those muscles by punching the heavy bag. Check out ALA or even the ABAP training gyms (not Gold's as they train even non boxers).

15 years ago, even martial artists did not lift weights. you might want to check out elorde gym at sucat, parañaque. soon as you enter, you will see numerous exercise equipment to the left.

others.

http://homepages.nyu.edu/~ag1540/BoxingGym.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/57529085@N00/3063218270/

if tyson got those muscles from punching the heavy bag, why isn't erik morales as thick as he is? does that mean that erik morales does not punch the bag as much a tyson does?

becky garcia. mike zambidis. roy doliguez. but a few boxers i have witnessed using weights in their training program.

As to running the shuttle to get good footwork, I would say "no". That would not help. First lesson in boxing is how to move forward and backwards without breaking your stance. How can running the shuttle help you with that kind of footwork (one foot always behind the other)?

so you are saying it will NOT help your footwork AT ALL? the constant changing of direction, always being on your toes, the development of the leg muscles for that spring, the lower body muscle endurance that the shuttle develops will not help a boxer at all? hmmm...

is this also applicable for the jumping rope? boxing teaches you to keep both feet on the ground for balance. by your logic, the jumping rope will NOT help your footwork, since you are never supposed to jump in boxing. nor are you supposed to put your knees up (something boxers do with the jumping rope).

you seem to know a lot about boxing. if i may, i would like to inquire about your boxing experience.

Any muscle that has got nothing to do with "punching hard and moving away from punches for 12 rounds" is useless as far as boxing is concerned. You don't want to develop those muscles and carry the extra weight. See Erik Morales as reference. That reed thin fighter can knock people out 2x bigger than he is.

that is because big muscles do not necessarily mean strong muscles. if you want big muscles, you have to work at getting those big muscles. weight training will not make you big. weight training aimed specifically to make you big will make you big. and in boxing, you use every muscle. so basically, these "useless muscles" you speak of may not exist.

Let's not kid ourselves, if the NBA does not pay as much as it does, Lebron or Kobe would be doing something else (maybe track or football). To get the best athletes, you need to pay highest price.

i don't think so, man. these guys have probably been playing basketball since they were five. at five, you don't think "i'll train to be good in basketball so i'll get a lot of money. because there is money in basketball." they play because they love the game. doing something you love for money is just a bonus. and no, they won't be doing anything else. because they are trained to be basketball players. the skills they have and learned will not apply to just any sport. athletes are not universal. they train specifically for their sport. it's like throwing michael phelps into a triathlon, because it pays more. you think he'll be able to get to third place? it's also like that earlier topic about throwing a boxer in the octagon. yes, he has one piece of the puzzle. but because he lacks all the other pieces, his chances don't look to good.

how exactly do you determine if a "raw athlete" is better than the other?

happy birthday, ladies and gentlemen.

I got (some) training, old school. First thing I was told was NOT to lift weights. General principle is, you do not carry excess weight (muscle) that is USELESS in the boxing arena. Muscle bound athletes will get knocked-out by reed thin boxers easilly.

i would say mike tyson is muscle-bound. explosive lifting really isn't a new thing. the thing is, you can't accidentally get huge. you have to work at it. usually by aiming to get huge and specializing in weight training. you train in volume to maximize sarcoplasmic hypertrophy. and that old school belief that boxers should never weight train is precisely what it is: old school. even old school martial artists were taught never to lift weights. that is because instead of spending time on pumping iron, they should use that time to focus on skill. the general principle is optimum efficiency for every ounce of muscle. bigger, heavier muscles do not necessarily mean stronger muscles. remember, powerlifters compete in weight divisions. so do mixed martial artists.

Running fast, lifting heavy, etc. is a by-product of training, it is NOT the target. You are always on the look-out from developing "useless" muscles.

uhhh, you don't run fast by training to run slow. you run fast because you trained to run fast. sprint training is essential to any boxer's regimen. as you said, they need the fast twitch fibers.

what exactly do you mean by "useless muscle?"

Boxing, as of the moment, gets the cream of the crop. Simply because, the money is in boxing. If I am a young talented athlete, given the choice between MMA vs. boxing for a career, I would choose boxing (because I am a shallow greedy person, Lol!).

i cannot claim that i know the financial facts regarding these two sports. nor do i know if most great athletes choose boxing over mma. this however, is what i know about the local scene:

first professional boxing match purse: 4'000 php

first professional mma match purse: 10'000-15'000 php

sirs, is the 20sec-10sec interval training effective for a good cardio?

relatively. i have used it in the past for the following:

sprints

burpees

mountain climbers

bodyweight squats

got the idea from the japanese tabata method.

the thing about the cage is, you can't find any corners. pounding away at a trapped opponent standing up is virtually impossible. but it can be utilized well in grappling.

titignan ko rin, head-to-toe.

mag-iisip. picture. takbo.

oo. para sabay ang hug sa kiss. ---> http://manilatonight.com/index.php?showtop...0&start=980

i don't kiss. but i guess i could make an exception...

Do you think the fighters at the URCC or fearless do it for the money? the mindset in MMA is a lot different. to a lot of MMA enthusiasts, getting into a fight in a ring or cage is the ultimate proving ground for your skills. You fight because you want to fight. Period.

GAB license: 4'000+

Gym Fees: 3'000 - 5'000+ per month

Equipment: 3'000+

Post-fight Medical Bills: 2'000 for laceration treatment and antibiotics

Training: blood, sweat, and tears

etc...

how much does a URCC bout pay? around 10'000 - 15'000 for a newbie. that sound like a good investment?

if you want money, work in a f#&king bank. or a call center. or do networking. almost anything pays better than this.

As to your fitness test: Well, ok, maybe the MMA would win that. You see, boxers are trained for one specific thing (unlike MMA practitioners). And that is to box. No weight training. Slow twitch muscles get in the way of the development of fast twitch muscles. Road training is for endurance (not to run fast). Because of the very tight weight requirement, evey muscle in a boxer's body are either useful or thrown away (left undeveloped). Boxers do not lift heavy, do no run fast, would trip all-over themselves in 20 yd shuttle. What they can do is punch hard and duck punches for 12 rds.

 

When I said the best athletes, I meant the MOST TALENTED raw athletes. Because of the very specific training boxers have to go through, they are only good for one thing -- that is, to box.

1. boxers weight train. there's this new thing they call "explosive lifting." you take a weight, and you lift it as fast as possible. because fast twitch type I fibers produce a lot of force in a short period of time. a high intensity burst. slow twitch type II fibers produce little force for an extended period of time. low intensity. like repetitive lifting of light weights. or aerobics. does that sound like boxing to you?

2. boxers do intervals and hill sprints. (sprints. that means running fast.) some actually train intervals exclusively. you don't box for a continuous 45 minutes at a slow pace (slow long distance run). you box for an intense 3 minutes at short busts (combinations) with one minute rest in between rounds (intervals). that is what the timer in the gym is for.

3. biceps are almost entirely unused. yet, you cannot develop pulling power (particularly the lats) unless you do multi-joint exercises which include the biceps. do not overgeneralize.

4. the shuttle run's challenge is the fact that you need to constantly change direction, and quickly accelerate. that reminds me of something... footwork. i think boxers use a lot of footwork.

5. floyd mayweather jr. can do 40 consecutive pullups and can run a mile in 5 minutes. that is a sign of developed non-punching, non-ducking muscles, and running fast.

6. boxing is a very complex sport. do not oversimplify it.

7. just what exactly do you mean by "most talented raw athlete?"

the gym is my shift.

- frequent light snacking

- water instead of iced tea and softdrinks.

great strategy. i second the motion.

No, not even Belfort or Lidell can hold their ground in the boxing arena.

 

Belfort, I believe tried out boxing once.

yup. i believe he knocked his opponent down thrice within the first minute.

i heard anderson silva tried out pro boxing.

A more realistic reason why MMA fighters rarely transition to boxing, even if they can be successful in it, is that it's harder to get big money opportunities in boxing. the sport is bigger, there's more red tape and bureaucracy to deal with, there's rampant corruption, etc. It would take MMA fighters a long time, and probably lot's of shots to the head before he starts seeing real money. And no current MMA star would want to go through all that just to prove a point. Most of them would rather stay in MMA, where its relatively easier to get noticed.

amen. in local boxing, you have to win around 20-30 fights before you get a shot at the title. in mma, i know several people who held championships with one fight under their belt.

i personally know around four or six professional mma fighters compared to more than twenty professional boxers.

You can also add here Vito Belfort (but the man has no grappling skills).

harsh words to say to a four-time brazilian jiu jitsu champ (at age nineteen, by the way).

i don't think "SUPERFIGHTS" like that would happen again chief, MMA has evolved in the last several years... nowhere are you going to see the long circling (pormahan lang ba) as they get penalized for this (check out the Nate Quarry VS Kalib Starnes fight and you'll catch my drift)

 

SUPERFIGHTS now are like the GSP VS PENN fight, all action chief

kind of disappointed with kevin belingon vs. justin cruz though.

excellent post above.

Both sports offer both though, to say that one is more technical than the other is a simply a sign of ignorance of the technique and discipline required of each sport. Ignorant MMA fans will say that boxing is boring it's just pushing forward and hugging, and jabs to the death, totally ignoring the angles, trapping, and footwork evident in all great boxers. Ignorant Boxing Fans will say MMA is just a toughman competition where people just pummel other people to death, and rarely see the timing, strategy, and slick jiu-jitsu/wrestling that many fighters do.

damn right.

as far as the safety thing is concerned, they say boxing is actually more dangerous than mma, since the only way to win is to basically knock your opponent's head off. also, the quick stoppages by very careful referees prevent a fighter from taking repeated blows to the head for a prolonged amount of time while standing. yes, a standing barrage is more dangerous than a ground and pound when it comes to brain damage, since it's the whiplash effect that causes concussions. i haven't seen a lot of g&p knockouts as much as i have seen standing ones. a barely gloved hand will also produce a tremendous amount of force, making one-punch knockouts more common in mma. a one-punch knockout is actually a lot safer than repeated blows to the head for 12 rounds. yes, mma matches produce a lot of huge cuts, bruises, fractures, and blood everywhere. but that s@%t won't k*ll you. boxing, on the other hand, shakes your brain so hard that fighters with 20 or more fights have shown considerable brain damage. that's probably why there have been more deaths in boxing than there have been in mma for the last 16 years.

that's what i've read anyway. but here's what i know. boxing hurts a hell of a lot more than mma.

"DON'T."

maghuhubad din, sabay "init no?"