Mixed Martial Arts

[Guest megalodon]

If Fedor can use his speed and have an excellent take down defense, I can see him win. Brock is no slouch when it comes to power so Fedor has to use his speed. If Emelianenko had the Lyoto Machida or Chuck Lidell type of escaping from clinches or from take down predicaments and use his hand speed, Fedor could win by KO.

[dragonei]

^^^

 

If you fight fedor standing up toe to toe, he will knock your ass out cold. If you take him to the ground, he will either submit you or pound your face. There are only a handfull of fighters that are both effective on the ground and standing up, the other one is GSP but Fedor is of course more superior. Most fighters prefer to one-dimensional. If you are a stiker, you just concentrate to be an effective striker and defend yourself against being taken down. If you are a wrestler, you just concentrate to become a better grapler, and defend yourself against strikers. This is the reason why chuck lidell's career ended the way it did. He was an effective stand up fighter, but because he is one dimensional, his style became too easy to figure out that even mediocre fighters could beat him at his own game. Plus Lidell never tried to evolve into a complete fighter, lately he became more of a brawler rather than a tactician. He did not utilize his kicks and foot work like he used to.

 

The reason why fedor is on top of this sport is because no one can really figure him out. Heck, this guy wears a blank face when he is fighting. He is undoubtedly the most intelligent fighter out there. He knows how to calculate a fight. Just look at the way he fought Sylvia, Fedor took that fight like he said to himself "Ok Im gonna finish this guy in 36 seconds. Sylvia could have lost by a knockout in that fight, he was hurt with those blazing hands, but still managed to cover up to protect himself from the onslaught. Other fighters would have kept punching to get the knockout, but by then Sylvia would have been given time to recover into a better position. Now notice how Fedor intelligently anticipated for him to do what he did, because as soon as Sylvia turned his back, and ducked (which I thought fedor expected sylvia would do), he quickly mounts into a rear naked choke position and thats all she wrote.

[ray004]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont...?urn=nba,176709

[dragonei]

WTF? Shaq on MMA? So whats the deal? Dana white will give him a title shot on his first fight, because he is popular and it would make an attraction? I hope this is one terrible joke, because I do believe that lesnar did not deserve the title shot he got. The only reason why it happened was because it would have made money. I understand that the UFC is about businesses, but if this will be a continuing trend MMA will become less of a sport and more of a freakshow.

 

Partly the reason why Lesnar behaves like a spoiled brat is because the UFC did spoil him quite a bit. Ang dami dami dyang contenders na hindi man lang makakuha ng televised fight man lang, tapos si Lesnar komo sumikat lang sa wwe, bibigyan agad ng title shot. For me dapat pagmultahin ng malaki si lesnar. Heck White kicked sorbal out of the UFC because he continued choking his opponent after the referee stopage, then went out to bash the audience. It may be a little too much to do the same to lesnar, but he really should be thought a lesson or two. Its fighters like lesnar who will make MMA a freak show rather than a sport.

 

Like shane carwin said, he may wear the belt around his waist right now, but it does not mean he will get the recognition and respect a true champion has. Its the sponsors and most of all the fans that pay his bills, without them this chump would end up being a bouncer at a titie bar. Its ok to trash talk and even get involved in a little tension before the fight because it sells ticket. But at least have the good decency of showing a little class after the fight. Even Tyson who initiated a press conference brawl with lennox, ended up being magnanimous in his defeat after the fight. He would later on acknowledge that Lennox is one of the best boxers in the world, and that he has a lot of respect for his mother. Lesnar should have done something similar lalo at siya pa yung panalo.

 

IMHO the sport does not need champions like Brock Lesnar. And I will bet the fans dont want a champion like him. Sure people will continue to watch his fights and subscribe to PPV, but only because theyd love to see him get his ass raped by a better fighter. Iba pa din yung having people to watch your fight because they support you win or lose. Just like Chuck Lidell.

 

White should really get fedor to sign in the UFC. He should do it at all cost even if it means sucking Fedors balls

Edited July 16, 2009 by dragonei

[riceb0i]

i'm sorry boss but i like Brock the way he is right now, a pompous dork as you say he just makes it interesting when he fights, he's got skills if you ask me, but the attitude has to go, although his attitude doesn't really affect the growth of MMA in getting sanctioned by the whole 50 states of the US, or even getting accepted worldwide.

 

the story with Babalu is different chief, he kept that anaconda on David Heath even after Heath tapped and Mazzagatti was commanding him to let go & was trying to break the hold. White had him expelled of the UFC because he doesn't want to get caught in a controversy in case David Heath files attempted homicide on Babalu. and to quote Dana White:

 

"completely unacceptable. This is the fight game and s@%t happens. But no way can you do what he did."

 

"I think you saw the response from the fans. Babalu was a fan favorite. They turned on him immediately."

 

White didn't want any fight related deaths in the UFC thats for sure, but talking smack to a downed opponent and the fans after winning doesn't really hurt that much, if you ask me it just adds more publicity for the org, and a lot of other fighters can ride on that publicity.

[King Nothing]

I'm not just so sure ha... but there was an interview with brock after his lost to mir, it seems that the way he said something and dana commented on it... it was like it was brock who asked for a title a shot right away...Parang ganun... anyway still brock better learn from GSP... to give respect no matter what.. why after all respect can never amount to any money...I mean hindi mababayaran ng anu man salapi ang respeto...

[extreme1]

We really can't blame Brock why he sais those things about Frank because Frank also sais a few things about Brock before the fight.

 

Magkaron kaya ng part three ang rivalry nila?

 

Now that Kimbo Slice is in the Ultimate Fighter, I really hope he and Brock could fight soon.

Sana kunin na rin ni Dana white si Bobby Lashley and itapat din sya kay Brock.

 

These two black dudes have a really godd chance on defeating brock.

 

I hope that these heavy weights could be matched up with Brock inside the UFC octagon:

 

Fedor

Shane Carwin

Antonio "Minotoro" Nogueira

Chiek Congo

Cain Velasquez

Mirko Cro cop

[djrs]

Frank Mir? napabagsak na ni Vera yan e tinalo! hehehehee. mukhang ginaya lang ni Lesnar yung style ni Vera sa Ground! hehehehe/.

 

malayong mismatched talaga yan si Mir at Brock...

 

masarap panoorin yung si Carwin vs. Brock!

[maddromeo]

i'm sorry boss but i like Brock the way he is right now, a pompous dork as you say he just makes it interesting when he fights, he's got skills if you ask me, but the attitude has to go, although his attitude doesn't really affect the growth of MMA in getting sanctioned by the whole 50 states of the US, or even getting accepted worldwide.

 

the story with Babalu is different chief, he kept that anaconda on David Heath even after Heath tapped and Mazzagatti was commanding him to let go & was trying to break the hold. White had him expelled of the UFC because he doesn't want to get caught in a controversy in case David Heath files attempted homicide on Babalu. and to quote Dana White:

 

"completely unacceptable. This is the fight game and s@%t happens. But no way can you do what he did."

 

"I think you saw the response from the fans. Babalu was a fan favorite. They turned on him immediately."

 

White didn't want any fight related deaths in the UFC thats for sure, but talking smack to a downed opponent and the fans after winning doesn't really hurt that much, if you ask me it just adds more publicity for the org, and a lot of other fighters can ride on that publicity.

 

 

Cant blame Brock how he acted after the fight! Do you really think Mir talked a lot of s@%t just to "Hype" the fight?! Don't think so... He was talking smack because he thought he could beat Brock again! Brock was so pissed! I mean I would be too... some fool talking s@%t about me! Just makes you want to pummel that guy! Right!? :thumbsupsmiley:

 

Same thing with the Marcus Davis vs. Dan Hardy fight! Dan Hardy was talking a lot of s@%t about Marcus Davis, after he won he wanted to hug Davis who shrugged it and told him to f#&k off! When interviewed by Joe Rogan he apologized and said he was just "Hyping" the fight?!? WTF Plastic! If Dan Hardy lost!? Do you think he would still apologize for all that s@%t he said!? Don't think so... :hypocritesmiley:

 

Perfect example BJ Penn! Thou he's one of my fave fighters he talks a lot of s@%t before fights! Loves to talk Big! When he defeated Sean Sherk he apologized and said he was just "Hyping" the fight! But when he got whooped by GSP what did he do!? Accused GSP of greasing!!! :hypocritesmiley:

 

Now regarding the Babalu choking incident! His eyes were closed when he was choking out Heath so he didnt see him tapping so the referee had to jump in and break the choke... It was Joe Rogans fault accusing Babalu deliberately holding the choke too long!? Wala investigation o suspension?! Hindi binigay win bonus nya! At wala rin naman hearing na ng yari?! Wala due process! Feel lang ni Dana White tanggalin sya kaya ayun ban na sa UFC si Babalu! Biased Masyado ehto si Rogan and we the viewers are easily swayed by his comments! Dapat Neutral sya! Parang nung huling UFC 100, Allan Belcher got "robbed" WTF!!! It was clearly a Sexyama win after 3 rounds!!! Tapos masyado pa nya "Hyped" yung rubberguard and 10th planet JJ kasi dun sya nag train! tsk tsk :thumbsdownsmiley:

 

Tapos ngayon si Dan Henderson! Tinitira ng mga Bisping fans! After the KO di na daw dapat nag dive punch/forearm si Hendo!? Baka kung anu na daw ngyari kay Bisping, head injury/ brain damage daw! WTF! MMA ehto hindi Chess! Kung ayaw nila maasaktan! Huwag na sila mag MMA db?! Mag Chess o Dama nalang sila sa bahay nila! :hypocritesmiley:

[dragonei]

i'm sorry boss but i like Brock the way he is right now, a pompous dork as you say he just makes it interesting when he fights, he's got skills if you ask me, but the attitude has to go, although his attitude doesn't really affect the growth of MMA in getting sanctioned by the whole 50 states of the US, or even getting accepted worldwide.

 

the story with Babalu is different chief, he kept that anaconda on David Heath even after Heath tapped and Mazzagatti was commanding him to let go & was trying to break the hold. White had him expelled of the UFC because he doesn't want to get caught in a controversy in case David Heath files attempted homicide on Babalu. and to quote Dana White:

 

"completely unacceptable. This is the fight game and s@%t happens. But no way can you do what he did."

 

"I think you saw the response from the fans. Babalu was a fan favorite. They turned on him immediately."

 

White didn't want any fight related deaths in the UFC thats for sure, but talking smack to a downed opponent and the fans after winning doesn't really hurt that much, if you ask me it just adds more publicity for the org, and a lot of other fighters can ride on that publicity.

 

Yeah I know, Im not actually suggesting an expulsion for Brock, but definitely he should be disciplined. Otherwise MMA will just be human cockfighting that earns the mainstream. Undeniably, Dana spoiled Lesnar a bit, by giving him a shot at the title. I know Mir started the trash talk before the fight, and fueds off the octagon makes fights more interesting. But the feud should have ended after the fight. Parang si Ken Shamroc at Ortiz, nagkaayos din sila after Ortiz defeated shamrock in the third match. Its one thing to lash on your opponent while he is down, but to flip on the fans, to insult the sponsors that pay your bill, and to humiliate your wife on PPV TV is something where lines should be drawn. We all love villain characters. Heck I love Mayweather when he assumes the role of the villain in all of his fights. But in as much as he is a trash talking punk, he is still a respectable athlete.

 

But like I said, people will still buy tickets to see his fights only because people want to see him get ass raped. And when that happens, I will bet he wont be as sellable anymore. Lidell was still sellable when his career was already on its twilight. I bet he can still sell tickets doing nothing on the octagon.

[riceb0i]

Now that Kimbo Slice is in the Ultimate Fighter, I really hope he and Brock could fight soon.

Sana kunin na rin ni Dana white si Bobby Lashley and itapat din sya kay Brock.

 

These two black dudes have a really godd chance on defeating brock.

 

I hope that these heavy weights could be matched up with Brock inside the UFC octagon:

 

Fedor

Shane Carwin

Antonio "Minotoro" Nogueira

Chiek Congo

Cain Velasquez

Mirko Cro cop

Kimbo chief? are you serious? he got defeated by a LHW and if not for the ref he should've been defeated by JT Colossus in the 2nd round previous the Seth Petruzelli fight

 

Kimbo's overhyped chief, Bas Rutten said that Kimbo changed and he doesn't follow instruction, and that will cost Kimbo his fights and will just make him a mediocre fighter

 

now the others you've mentioned the one's that are suspect are Kongo as he can't defend a takedown (seen on the Herring & Velasquez fights), Big Nog = not a really good matchup for Brock stylistically as Brock's strength would nullify Big Nog's ground game and i don't think Big Nog can KO Brock, Cain Velasquez = still needs to improve his striking and GnP power, CroCop = really old (i'm a Mirko fan chief, but i don't think he can win one against Brock), Carwin = yeah he has the size power and strength but he needs more speed, Fedor = biggest chance to defeat Brock but he needs to work hard training for the fight and in the fight itself

 

i agree riceboi,brock added more spice sa ufc, i dont think na he's antics harms ufc, rather it generated much more interest, sbrang galit na galit kayo kay brock..eh para maiba naman diba. badboy naman,villain naman..go! badmouthin' , dirty fingerin' coors-light drinkin champ|!! :thumbsupsmiley: :thumbsupsmiley:

yup chief, my thoughts exactly

 

Cant blame Brock how he acted after the fight! Do you really think Mir talked a lot of s@%t just to "Hype" the fight?! Don't think so... He was talking smack because he thought he could beat Brock again! Brock was so pissed! I mean I would be too... some fool talking s@%t about me! Just makes you want to pummel that guy! Right!? :thumbsupsmiley:

 

Same thing with the Marcus Davis vs. Dan Hardy fight! Dan Hardy was talking a lot of s@%t about Marcus Davis, after he won he wanted to hug Davis who shrugged it and told him to f#&k off! When interviewed by Joe Rogan he apologized and said he was just "Hyping" the fight?!? WTF Plastic! If Dan Hardy lost!? Do you think he would still apologize for all that s@%t he said!? Don't think so... :hypocritesmiley:

 

Perfect example BJ Penn! Thou he's one of my fave fighters he talks a lot of s@%t before fights! Loves to talk Big! When he defeated Sean Sherk he apologized and said he was just "Hyping" the fight! But when he got whooped by GSP what did he do!? Accused GSP of greasing!!! :hypocritesmiley:

 

Now regarding the Babalu choking incident! His eyes were closed when he was choking out Heath so he didnt see him tapping so the referee had to jump in and break the choke... It was Joe Rogans fault accusing Babalu deliberately holding the choke too long!? Wala investigation o suspension?! Hindi binigay win bonus nya! At wala rin naman hearing na ng yari?! Wala due process! Feel lang ni Dana White tanggalin sya kaya ayun ban na sa UFC si Babalu! Biased Masyado ehto si Rogan and we the viewers are easily swayed by his comments! Dapat Neutral sya! Parang nung huling UFC 100, Allan Belcher got "robbed" WTF!!! It was clearly a Sexyama win after 3 rounds!!! Tapos masyado pa nya "Hyped" yung rubberguard and 10th planet JJ kasi dun sya nag train! tsk tsk :thumbsdownsmiley:

 

Tapos ngayon si Dan Henderson! Tinitira ng mga Bisping fans! After the KO di na daw dapat nag dive punch/forearm si Hendo!? Baka kung anu na daw ngyari kay Bisping, head injury/ brain damage daw! WTF! MMA ehto hindi Chess! Kung ayaw nila maasaktan! Huwag na sila mag MMA db?! Mag Chess o Dama nalang sila sa bahay nila! :hypocritesmiley:

hahaha yeah, Joe Rogan seems not to like Jap and Korean fighters winning against white dudes and American citizens, Belcher wasn't robbed, he just didn't have enough to finish the fight, it was his fault to leave the fight to the scorecards

 

don't get me wrong ha, 10 Planet JJ is great, but there are other schools that equal it and even exceed them, thanks to Eddie Bravo for making the rubber guard famous, but a great butterfly guard is as effective as a great rubber guard

 

Yeah I know, Im not actually suggesting an expulsion for Brock, but definitely he should be disciplined. Otherwise MMA will just be human cockfighting that earns the mainstream. Undeniably, Dana spoiled Lesnar a bit, by giving him a shot at the title. I know Mir started the trash talk before the fight, and fueds off the octagon makes fights more interesting. But the feud should have ended after the fight. Parang si Ken Shamroc at Ortiz, nagkaayos din sila after Ortiz defeated shamrock in the third match. Its one thing to lash on your opponent while he is down, but to flip on the fans, to insult the sponsors that pay your bill, and to humiliate your wife on PPV TV is something where lines should be drawn. We all love villain characters. Heck I love Mayweather when he assumes the role of the villain in all of his fights. But in as much as he is a trash talking punk, he is still a respectable athlete.

 

But like I said, people will still buy tickets to see his fights only because people want to see him get ass raped. And when that happens, I will bet he wont be as sellable anymore. Lidell was still sellable when his career was already on its twilight. I bet he can still sell tickets doing nothing on the octagon.

i'm not really sure if Ken and Tito really did make peace, the gesture that Ken did after all their fihgts in their trilogy was more of keeping his legacy since he was considered an ambassador of MMA during that time, now Brock that's a different story, i'd eat a car and s@%t steel before they make him an ambassador for MMA chief, so really no harm for MMA in general. i just realized that after his post fight antics he just won a shitload of WWE fans to the UFC. i mean chief, even without his post fight f#&ktardness a lot of people will still consider MMA as human cock fighting.

Edited July 16, 2009 by riceb0i

[ray004]

the badboy image is not new in UFC..remember the antics of Tank Abbot and Tito Ortiz? IMO, when Ortiz made the gestures after defeating several Lion's Den fighters, fans were actually applauding. Same goes with Tank..i mean what's the fuzz about Lesnar being vocal and expressive after the fight? again just expressing an opinion

[dragonei]

Just to reiterate my point, nothing really wrong with being a villain. Yes a villain adds up interest to the fight. Ill even forgive lesnar dor taunting mir after he won. What I really detest, is him lashing out the fans and the sponsors that pay his bills. He is entitled to be who he wants to. But at least act professionally. Villains are common in any sport, but even villains know how to act professionaly.

 

But as I said, I do acknowledge the fact that he will still sell tickets maybe now more than ever, he is bringing in crowds but I doubt it if he will ever be respected as a champion.

[ixnay]

but the fans love what they are seeing right now!..

[riceb0i]

Just to reiterate my point, nothing really wrong with being a villain. Yes a villain adds up interest to the fight. Ill even forgive lesnar dor taunting mir after he won. What I really detest, is him lashing out the fans and the sponsors that pay his bills. He is entitled to be who he wants to. But at least act professionally. Villains are common in any sport, but even villains know how to act professionaly.

 

But as I said, I do acknowledge the fact that he will still sell tickets maybe now more than ever, he is bringing in crowds but I doubt it if he will ever be respected as a champion.

this just proves that you can't really please everybody boss... i mean you're not pleased, and i bet Brock ain't pleased with your reaction about how he does things as well chief

 

i just think being arrogant, cocky and pompous is part of fighting, you win a fight you have bragging rights, someone talks smack at you pre fight and other people join in on the bandwagon, then you beat the sunufabitch convincingly and i figured you got the right to talk smack to that fighter and the people who backed him up.

 

for me fighting is commonly misconstrued as a sport, even though MMA has rules and a sanctioning body i really don't consider it a sport. those people who enter the ring and/or octagon to battle aren't athletes, well probably they were athletes before, but once they enter the cage/ring they're warriors. same goes for boxing, i forgot the name of the boxer who said it but he said something like this; he's not a sportsman/athlete he's a fighter.

Edited July 17, 2009 by riceb0i