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Well sabi mo nga ... Yun batang innocente sa drugs dapat ang ginawa niya hindi dumikit at isinuplong sa pulis. Tama naman knowing mali o masama ang ginagawa ng mga ito lalu na't Criminology student ito.

 

Now going back to your 2nd statement ... alam mo may EJ killings na nangyayari, alam mo mali and yet you support Duterte and defended him on this matter.

 

Si Duterte, presidente, abugado malawak ang kaalaman sa batas, and yet siya ang may basbas ng EJ killings (to follow your logic/statement),. Di ba dapat siya ang nagpapatupad ng batas, hindi promotor ng illegal na patayan and yet wala lang?

 

Double standards o maling palusot?

 

 

in fairness to haroots he supports naman daw yung Ej killings... kailangan naman may masampolan para katakutan

 

pero mukhang ayaw naman nyang pumayag na maging sample.... hindi ba pwede for the greater good pumayag na lang sya?

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in fairness to haroots he supports naman daw yung Ej killings... kailangan naman may masampolan para katakutan

 

pero mukhang ayaw naman nyang pumayag na maging sample.... hindi ba pwede for the greater good pumayag na lang sya?

 

 

Un nga ang di ko ma-reconcille eh.

 

On one end he is saying yun Criminology student dapat alam na mali ang ginagawa ng mga kaibigan niya so dapat isinuplong niya pa nga.

 

On the other hand, he claims that EJK is illegal, he knows it's happening and yet imbes na isuplong o kontrahin eh sinusuportahan.

 

Well, bakit nga nga ba hindi ... Sabi nga put your foot where your mouth is.

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how sure are you that he KNOWS?

 

anyway, lumalayo na tayo... so, yung taong pinatay, pang ilang offense nya ba? saan sya nakalista??

 

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sagutin mo naman.... WILLING KA BANG MAGING SAMPLE?

 

Wala siya sa list kundi yung mga kasama niyang nanlabanang nasa listahan na isang drug den rin ang bahay. For me accessory pa rin siya sa crime o kaya mahina siyang hindi niya lam na drug den ang tinutuluyan niya?

 

Like I said ang nasasampolan is pepeated drug offenders na nasa list. Wala namn ako sa list. And tapos na ang Oplan Tokhang sa amin. Like I said in my previous post I can also arrange people in my neighborhood na pusger/addict/hitmen.

 

Like I said before you wouldn't know the effects of the drug campaign kasi you are living in an upscale neighborhood. Pero kami dito walang reklamo kahit may binaril ng 2 addict/holdaper dito (in front of their house) within walking distance sa bahay. Alam mo ba ang naging reaction sa area namin? Yung mga sigang addict na yung tinatakot ng mga taga sa amin na sila na yung susunod. Ang mga sigang adik ngayon ay nababahag na kanilang mga buntot dahil alam nila nasa listahan sila.

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Un nga ang di ko ma-reconcille eh.

 

On one end he is saying yun Criminology student dapat alam na mali ang ginagawa ng mga kaibigan niya so dapat isinuplong niya pa nga.

 

On the other hand, he claims that EJK is illegal, he knows it's happening and yet imbes na isuplong o kontrahin eh sinusuportahan.

 

Well, bakit nga nga ba hindi ... Sabi nga put your foot where your mouth is.

Ive already said this so many times. Our drug problems is already extreme and extreme cases need extreme solution/ Tapos magsasample naman kayo ng EJ killings ng isang pick pocket lang to prove a point. Lol. Kung hindi naman ganito kalala ang drug problems sa bansa hindi namn ako susuporta sa EJ killings na yan. And you can see on other GM posts na they support it too.

You can pick - a drug criminal victimizing an innocent person or a vigilante group victimizing drug criminals? For me I'll go fo rthe second para ma lessen ang probability ko na maging victim sa first option ko. Kung meron man madamay na ilan, you cant have a war without any collateral damage. You just have to minimize it.

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Ive already said this so many times. Our drug problems is already extreme and extreme cases need extreme solution/ Tapos magsasample naman kayo ng EJ killings ng isang pick pocket lang to prove a point. Lol. Kung hindi naman ganito kalala ang drug problems sa bansa hindi namn ako susuporta sa EJ killings na yan. And you can see on other GM posts na they support it too.

You can pick - a drug criminal victimizing an innocent person or a vigilante group victimizing drug criminals? For me I'll go fo rthe second para ma lessen ang probability ko na maging victim sa first option ko. Kung meron man madamay na ilan, you cant have a war without any collateral damage. You just have to minimize it.

 

 

To cut the long story short ganito lang naman ang sinasabi mo di po ba ...

 

OK lang may mapatay na napagkamalan lang kasi makakabuti naman yan para sa lipunan para magkaroon ng takot kontra sa kriminalidad ng droga... yun nga lang wag ako ang maging sampol na mapatay, iba na lang.

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To cut the long story short ganito lang naman ang sinasabi mo di po ba ...

 

OK lang may mapatay na napagkamalan lang kasi makakabuti naman yan para sa lipunan para magkaroon ng takot kontra sa kriminalidad ng droga... yun nga lang wag ako ang maging sampol na mapatay, iba na lang.

 

Ang galing ng interpretation mo. Nakakabilib. Ang dapat masamplan is yung mga hardened drug criminals.Kaya nga nag sabi ko ang mga nasa listahan yung mga repeat offenders. Pag nakita yan sa neighborhood malaki ang epekto sa mga ibang kriminal sa area. Kung inosente ang namatay ano ang epekto nun? Pagtatawanan pa sila ng mga kriminal sa area na pinangyarihan.

 

Pero how would you and Jopoc understand. You never lived in this kind of area. Bakit hindi niyo subukan tumira dito kung tatagal kayo? Tignan ko lang kung ano ang gagawin ninyo? Isusumbong niyo yung nakikita niyong krimen or tatahimik na lang kayo?

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Wala siya sa list kundi yung mga kasama niyang nanlabanang nasa listahan na isang drug den rin ang bahay. For me accessory pa rin siya sa crime o kaya mahina siyang hindi niya lam na drug den ang tinutuluyan niya?

 

Like I said ang nasasampolan is pepeated drug offenders na nasa list. Wala namn ako sa list. And tapos na ang Oplan Tokhang sa amin. Like I said in my previous post I can also arrange people in my neighborhood na pusger/addict/hitmen.

 

Like I said before you wouldn't know the effects of the drug campaign kasi you are living in an upscale neighborhood. Pero kami dito walang reklamo kahit may binaril ng 2 addict/holdaper dito (in front of their house) within walking distance sa bahay. Alam mo ba ang naging reaction sa area namin? Yung mga sigang addict na yung tinatakot ng mga taga sa amin na sila na yung susunod. Ang mga sigang adik ngayon ay nababahag na kanilang mga buntot dahil alam nila nasa listahan sila.

 

 

how sure are you that each one killed is a repeat offender?

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Ibang issue naman..

 

Private engineers to help with DOE audit for free

http://www.rappler.com/business/industries/173-power-and-energy/142607-doe-iiee-engineers-moa-signing-technical-audit-power-plants?utm_content=buffer2ee5f&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

The Department of Energy (DOE) has officially tapped private engineers to help in the audit of power plants in the country. The engineers will provide their services for free.

Last Monday, August 8, the DOE signed a memorandum of agreement with the Institute of Integrated Electrical Engineers of the Philippines (IIEE) for the "technical audit of generation, transmission, and distribution facilities."

Energy Secretary Alfonso Cusi ordered the audit, as well as an investigation into power utilities' possible violations, following the recent series of power outages that hit Luzon.

The power outages were the result of thinning or zero reserves in the Luzon grid, which stemmed from maintenance shutdowns and forced outages of several power plants.

"It is imperative for us to immediately determine the causes, whether technical or contractual, of the current power situation," Cusi said in a statement released Wednesday, August 10.

"We have to find a lasting solution to this recurring problem... because it is our people who are bearing the brunt of power interruptions and we cannot allow that to continue," he added.

The DOE said that the IIEE, which will help conduct the audit on a pro bono basis, "has 47,000 licensed and competent electrical engineers and master electricians across the country."

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Ang galing ng interpretation mo. Nakakabilib. Ang dapat masamplan is yung mga hardened drug criminals.Kaya nga nag sabi ko ang mga nasa listahan yung mga repeat offenders. Pag nakita yan sa neighborhood malaki ang epekto sa mga ibang kriminal sa area. Kung inosente ang namatay ano ang epekto nun? Pagtatawanan pa sila ng mga kriminal sa area na pinangyarihan.

 

Pero how would you and Jopoc understand. You never lived in this kind of area. Bakit hindi niyo subukan tumira dito kung tatagal kayo? Tignan ko lang kung ano ang gagawin ninyo? Isusumbong niyo yung nakikita niyong krimen or tatahimik na lang kayo?

 

I agree with Jopoc, how then will you know all killed are guilty as charged?

 

Dahil itinuro? Kasi sabi ni ganito? Eh nakita naman natin di naman fool proof un listahan.

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how sure are you that each one killed is a repeat offender?

 

I can verify the list in our area are correct since tapos na yung Oplan Tokhang sa amin. Medyo kulan lang yung nasa list. If the list throughout the country is not 100% perfect, ano na gusto niyo i shutdown na lang yung operasyon kahit nakakatulong ito pangkalahatan?

Can you suggest a perfect solution that will solve the drug problems drastically nationwide? Or contended na kayona nagrereklamo lang sa human rights violations kasi you are living in a well secured neighborhood.

 

Also I haven't heard IBPs stand on the issue. Parang tahimik ata sila.

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I agree with Jopoc, how then will you know all killed are guilty as charged?

 

Dahil itinuro? Kasi sabi ni ganito? Eh nakita naman natin di naman fool proof un listahan.

 

SO many times I asked you this pero iniiwasan. How would you and Jopoc understand?. You never lived in this kind of area. Ang sarap ng nakatira sa well secure area di ba?

 

The neighborhood would know if tama yung namatay or not so sila yung unang magrereact hindi ang mga CHR. So far may 2out of 2 na kami ditong tama. Tignan ko lang kung may susuporta dyan sa mga human rights advocate an possible witnesss dyan aside from the victims family.

Gusto niyo kasi may isa lang na pumalpak itigil na ang lahat kahit may 99% accuracy kasi kawawa naman yung 1% na inosenteng nadamay.

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SO many times I asked you this pero iniiwasan. How would you and Jopoc understand?. You never lived in this kind of area. Ang sarap ng nakatira sa well secure area di ba?

 

The neighborhood would know if tama yung namatay or not so sila yung unang magrereact hindi ang mga CHR. So far may 2out of 2 na kami ditong tama. Tignan ko lang kung may susuporta dyan sa mga human rights advocate an possible witnesss dyan aside from the victims family.

Gusto niyo kasi may isa lang na pumalpak itigil na ang lahat kahit may 99% accuracy kasi kawawa naman yung 1% na inosenteng nadamay.

 

Wala naman problema di ba kapag talagang guilty as charged yun napatay...

 

ang tanong nga paano kung hindi "guilty" yun napatay? Katulad nun student na nakitulog lang sa bahay ng kakilala na addict pala? Na ang rason kaya nakitulog siya e may magandang dahilan at hindi dahil nakiki-good time din siya. Na hindi niya alam na durugista o tulak ang mga kasama niya. Na malas lang niya na he was at the wrong place at the wrong time kaya ayun isa siya sa napatay. Pero yes para sa iyo daling husgahan na he's guilty by association kasi. Madali kasing mag-judge just like what you are doing now by saying "that we don't understand", "that we never lived in this kind of area" ... and how would you know as well?

 

Remember you can only verify those you truly know. Pero ako, si Jopoc, yun batang napaslang I'm pretty sure di mo kami pare-parehong kilala personally and yet hinusgahan mo na kami diba.

 

Sana kung tama ang panghuhusga not only you or kung sino man yun asset pati na rin ng kapulisan,e paano kung negative ... tapos pinatay? Well ok lang isang buhay lang naman ang nasayang? At least naging sampol para matakot lalo ang madlang people. E tulad ng sinasabi ni Jopoc, payag ka ba na sa iyo magkamali at ikaw ang masampol at mapatay. Paano kung may taga ibang baranggay na nagturo at sinabing lahat diyan sa lugar ninyo addict so pati ikaw kasama. I guess ok pa rin sa iyo? Tama lang ginawa nun nagturo ... for the good of everyone naman ito.

 

So balik tayo sa katanungan ... willing ka ba na ikaw yun maging 1% ...na sa iyo nagkamali pero ok lang naman di ba, you are just 1%at 99% pa naman ang accuracy nila

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SO many times I asked you this pero iniiwasan. How would you and Jopoc understand?. You never lived in this kind of area. Ang sarap ng nakatira sa well secure area di ba?

 

The neighborhood would know if tama yung namatay or not so sila yung unang magrereact hindi ang mga CHR. So far may 2out of 2 na kami ditong tama. Tignan ko lang kung may susuporta dyan sa mga human rights advocate an possible witnesss dyan aside from the victims family.

Gusto niyo kasi may isa lang na pumalpak itigil na ang lahat kahit may 99% accuracy kasi kawawa naman yung 1% na inosenteng nadamay.

 

 

yan ang gusto ko sa iyo... assuming... who told you that i never lived in a drug infested area?

who told you that i am living in a well-secured area now?

 

besides, adik lang, papatayin mo? kahit adik hindi pinapatay... nirereporma... hindi yan naging adik kung walang pagkukulang sa kanya ang magulang nya, ang iskwela nya at higit sa lahat, ANG COMMUNITY NYA(kasama kayo dun)

 

 

alam nyo pala na adik, hindi nyo tulungang magbago....

drug addiction is a psychological disorder.... most people take drugs to cope with their problems.... hindi yan krimen, hindi yan dahilan para patayin sya....

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Its just saying drop the whole anti drug operation kasi it wil never be a 100% perfect. Wow ang galing. Even with due process is not 100% perfect.Nothing is. Baka nga mas mataas pa ang % of accuracy ng drug list kesa sa decision ng mga hukom natin.

 

I guess lahat ng ginagawa niyo sa buhay is 100% accurate or else you won't do it at all. If this is the case dapat wala ng surgeon sa mundo kasi there is always a risk that you will die in the operating table even how low the % is.

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Its just saying drop the whole anti drug operation kasi it wil never be a 100% perfect. Wow ang galing. Even with due process is not 100% perfect.Nothing is. Baka nga mas mataas pa ang % of accuracy ng drug list kesa sa decision ng mga hukom natin.

 

I guess lahat ng ginagawa niyo sa buhay is 100% accurate or else you won't do it at all. If this is the case dapat wala ng surgeon sa mundo kasi there is always a risk that you will die in the operating table even how low the % is.

 

o ayan na naman yang style ninyo spinning it out or proportion .. where did we say to just drop the whole thing?

 

Its a matter of continuing what is right and correct what is wrong.

 

 

Ganito dapat ang analogy niyan ... Nagnegosyo ka pero nalugi ka kasi niloko ka ng katiwala mo. Sinabi bang wag ka na muling magnegosyo? Ang sinabi next time na pumasok ka sa negosyo ay wag kang masyadong magtitiwala kaagad kung kani-kanino at maging mas hands on.

 

So going back, alam naman ninyo illegal ang EJK, pagpipilitan pa ninyo tama lang na may EJK imbes na ipatigil.

 

Now granted na nandiyan na yan, alam ninyo na sablay ang intelligence report. May mga innocenteng nadadawit, Sinabi bang wag na mag raid? Ang sinasabi bago kayo mag raid at pumatay eh sana nakakasiguro nga kayong guilty yan hindi dahil lang sinabi ng kung sino sino at hindi na na verify. Now kung OK lang sa iyo mapatay dahil sa mistaken identity at di ka papalag, eh di sige may punto ka. Paninindigan mo yan eh, kaso alam naman natin ayaw mo rin.

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o ayan na naman yang style ninyo .. where did we say just drop the whole thing?

 

Its a matter of continuing what is right and correct what is wrong.

 

 

Ganito ang analogy niyan ... Nagnegosyo ka pero nalugi ka kasi niloko ka ng katiwala mo. Sinabi bang wag ka na muling magnegosyo? Ang sinabi next time na pumasok ka sa negosyo ay wag kang masyadong magtitiwala kaagad kung kani-kanino at maging mas hands on.

 

But the whole process can never be perfect as you want to so for your eyes there will always be wrong. So walang katapusan ka lang magrerekamo.

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Its just saying drop the whole anti drug operation kasi it wil never be a 100% perfect. Wow ang galing. Even with due process is not 100% perfect.Nothing is. Baka nga mas mataas pa ang % of accuracy ng drug list kesa sa decision ng mga hukom natin.

 

I guess lahat ng ginagawa niyo sa buhay is 100% accurate or else you won't do it at all. If this is the case dapat wala ng surgeon sa mundo kasi there is always a risk that you will die in the operating table even how low the % is.

 

Sabi ko nga, parang chemotherapy kasi yan. Kalat na cancer sa katawan ng pasyente. Kelangan gamitan ng matinding anticancer na gamot. Kaso yun gamot na yan, magkakaroon ng expected but unintended na damage. Nonetheless, kung hindi naman aagapan lallo pa magkakasakit yun pasyente.

 

Yun nga din ang tanong ko, ano bang fool-proof na sulusyon gusto nila? Meron ba talagang ganun sa mundong ito? Kasi kaht NASA engineers nga sumasablay minsan sa computation. Pag nasa langit na lang siguro tayong lahat.

 

Para sakin, the successes of the campaign outwieghs its failures and slips way more. Tamad na nga lang ibalita ng media yun mga positibo naman nangyayari dahil sa kampanya.

 

Tsaka ngayon ko lang nakita yun isang clean up effort na wala talagang sinasanto. Mapapusher, pulis, barangay capatain, mayor, congressman etc. Kahit nga kaalyado at kasama sa target shooting hindi rin ligtas

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But the whole process can never be perfect as you want to so for your eyes there will always be wrong. So walang katapusan ka lang magrerekamo.

 

yun "reklamo" is pointing out the mistakes ... to improve

 

Parang basketball lang yan di ba ... kahit effective yun plays kasi nanalo ka last game, nirereview pa rin ng coaches yun nangyari sa buong laro at nililista ang lahat ng pagkakamali ng team mula players hanggang desisyon ng coach para maayos at di na mangyari ulit.

 

Nakakasiguro ba tayo na di na siya mangyayari muli? Hindi, so mababanggit na naman ang mga pagkakamali muli sa susunod na game review. This is a never ending process even if they've been successful like winning multiple championships

 

There is no such thing a being perfect in this world ... given yan

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Sabi ko nga, parang chemotherapy kasi yan. Kalat na cancer sa katawan ng pasyente. Kelangan gamitan ng matinding anticancer na gamot. Kaso yun gamot na yan, magkakaroon ng expected but unintended na damage. Nonetheless, kung hindi naman aagapan lallo pa magkakasakit yun pasyente.

 

Yun nga din ang tanong ko, ano bang fool-proof na sulusyon gusto nila? Meron ba talagang ganun sa mundong ito? Kasi kaht NASA engineers nga sumasablay minsan sa computation. Pag nasa langit na lang siguro tayong lahat.

 

Para sakin, the successes of the campaign outwieghs its failures and slips way more. Tamad na nga lang ibalita ng media yun mga positibo naman nangyayari dahil sa kampanya.

 

Tsaka ngayon ko lang nakita yun isang clean up effort na wala talagang sinasanto. Mapapusher, pulis, barangay capatain, mayor, congressman etc. Kahit nga kaalyado at kasama sa target shooting hindi rin ligtas

I like your analogy sir. Si pdigong ang matinding anti cancer drug. Syempre kung matindi yung gamot eh may "side effects" din yan. Pero kung magagamot naman yung kanser eh ok na yung "side effects" na yan. Tingin nyo if iba ang nanalo eh mapapansin ba ang malaking problema ng bayan natin sa droga?
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Its just saying drop the whole anti drug operation kasi it wil never be a 100% perfect. Wow ang galing. Even with due process is not 100% perfect.Nothing is. Baka nga mas mataas pa ang % of accuracy ng drug list kesa sa decision ng mga hukom natin.

 

I guess lahat ng ginagawa niyo sa buhay is 100% accurate or else you won't do it at all. If this is the case dapat wala ng surgeon sa mundo kasi there is always a risk that you will die in the operating table even how low the % is.

 

 

wow! wala kami sinabi na drop the whole thing... sabi namin gawing tama......

 

kung krimen ang drugs, krimen din ang pagpatay... walang diperensya yun.....

 

oo, hindi 100% accurate ang due process, pero yan ang batas..... mag due process ka na lang kesa gumawa ng panibagong krmien.

naiintindihan mo yung point dun?

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I like your analogy sir. Si pdigong ang matinding anti cancer drug. Syempre kung matindi yung gamot eh may "side effects" din yan. Pero kung magagamot naman yung kanser eh ok na yung "side effects" na yan. Tingin nyo if iba ang nanalo eh mapapansin ba ang malaking problema ng bayan natin sa droga?

 

oo, problema nga ang drugs, pero hindi lang yun ang problema ng bayan.... musta ang smuggling, me nasampolan na ba? o smokescreen lang ang drug war para happy happy ang smugglers (parang sa davao lang noon na bagsakan ng smuggled rice)?

 

 

it is a good time to be a smuggler now.

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I like your analogy sir. Si pdigong ang matinding anti cancer drug. Syempre kung matindi yung gamot eh may "side effects" din yan. Pero kung magagamot naman yung kanser eh ok na yung "side effects" na yan. Tingin nyo if iba ang nanalo eh mapapansin ba ang malaking problema ng bayan natin sa droga?

 

Parang di ako sangayon na "cancer drug" (ie. chemo drug) si Digong na when you take it may side effects but makakabuti naman. Remember the chemo or cancer drug is legal and the patient is the one who decides based on his freewill whether or not to undergo such procedure. Eto parang isinusubo sa atin na magpachemo...tanggapin mo ang side effects. Eh paano if the patient wish na hintayin na lang ang oras niya, pwede naman di ba?

 

For me siguro para siyang "medical marijuana" ... alam naman natin na in general illegal ang paggamit ng marijuana except in certain countries na legalized ito lalu na't for medical reasons. Alam din natin na may negative side effects ang paggamit ng marijuana sa tao.

 

Sabi nga ng ilan maka-Duterte dito naniniwala naman sila na nagpapatupad ng EJK si Duterte para masugpo ang laban sa droga. Sa bibig na ni Digong nanggaling diba na napakatagal ng "due process" at pag may kaso sa "human rights" bibigyan niya ng pardon. Ang EJK is illegal but sabi nga ng argumento ng Pro-Digong this is good for its anti-drug efforts. SImple lang naman yan legalized ECJ just like legalizing use of medical marijuana eh di wala tayong pinagtatalunan since it is all within the boundaries of the law.

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Duterte ends word war, apologizes to Sereno

http://digitaledition.philstar.com/articles/2016-08-12/news/duterte-ends-word-war-apologizes-to-sereno/163255

 

President Rodrigo Duterte on Thursday (August 11) apologized to Chief Justice Maria Lourdes Sereno for the harsh words he uttered.

In a press conference in Davao City late Thursday night, Duterte said the harsh words were never intended.

“I get tangled with the Chief Justice. I would apologize to the Chief Justice for the harsh words. Those were never intended,” Duterte said.

“But ako kasi, because of the magnitude of the problem, it was my way of solving the problem within the ambit of my powers as the president,” he added.

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Duterte ends word war, apologizes to Sereno

http://digitaledition.philstar.com/articles/2016-08-12/news/duterte-ends-word-war-apologizes-to-sereno/163255

 

President Rodrigo Duterte on Thursday (August 11) apologized to Chief Justice Maria Lourdes Sereno for the harsh words he uttered.

In a press conference in Davao City late Thursday night, Duterte said the harsh words were never intended.

“I get tangled with the Chief Justice. I would apologize to the Chief Justice for the harsh words. Those were never intended,” Duterte said.

“But ako kasi, because of the magnitude of the problem, it was my way of solving the problem within the ambit of my powers as the president,” he added.

 

Just the right thing to do Mr. President ...

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