Apo Marcos : Facts And Myths

[filibustero]

"In fact, DepEd has built 86,478 classrooms and hired 128,105 teachers from 2010 to 2014. DepEd has already requested funds for the construction of 27,499 classrooms, and will be hiring 37,000 teachers in 2016 for Senior High School alone," the department said then.

- See more at: http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/491038/news/nation/classroom-teacher-shortages-to-welcome-new-school-year-lawmaker-warns#sthash.RspKWIlS.dpuf

 

Kung totoo ito, then 86,478 > 17,000 di po ba?

 

On the average, that's easily 17,000 ++ classroom in a year since 2010 vs the 17,000 built during Marcos time.

Trivia:

 

Alam nyo ba kung saan kinukuha ng Aquino Administration ang pondo para sa pagpapagawa ng classroom? Sa PAGCOR. As of 2015, 10 Billion pesos na ang inilaan na pondo ng PAGCOR para sa school building program nila. Kasama kasi sa batas na gumawa sa PAGCOR na isa sa mga tungkulin na binigay dito ay "to allocate and distribute, with the approval of the Office of the President of the Philippines, the earnings of the corporation earmarked to finance infrastructure and socio-civic projects."

 

Blind Item:

 

Sino ang nagsulat ng Presidential Decree (P.D.) No. 1869, series of 1983 - ang batas na gumawa sa PAGCOR?

 

[rooster69ph]

Trivia:

 

Alam nyo ba kung saan kinukuha ng Aquino Administration ang pondo para sa pagpapagawa ng classroom? Sa PAGCOR. As of 2015, 10 Billion pesos na ang inilaan na pondo ng PAGCOR para sa school building program nila. Kasama kasi sa batas na gumawa sa PAGCOR na isa sa mga tungkulin na binigay dito ay "to allocate and distribute, with the approval of the Office of the President of the Philippines, the earnings of the corporation earmarked to finance infrastructure and socio-civic projects."

 

Blind Item:

 

Sino ang nagsulat ng Presidential Decree (P.D.) No. 1869, series of 1983 - ang batas na gumawa sa PAGCOR?

 

Which makes me wonder saan napunta yun pera nun panahon ni Marcos galing sa allokasyon at pati na rin yun inutang. Sabi ni ka ed 17,000 classrooms ang kanyang napahawa sa mahabang panahon niyang panunungkulan. Sabi dito may 500,000 classrooms na tayo. So divide it equally by 5 presidents thats 90,000 classroom built per administration after marcos. Kulang kulang 5x di po ba?

 

 

http://www.rappler.com/nation/94866-school-opening-2015

[vienvenido]

Masaya discussion.

 

Admittedly marami nagawa at napatayo. Madami rin napatay at nasira. Kung ganun lang sana kadali timbangin ang mbuti sa masama, andali sna sumagot.

 

My own perspective, the bad outweighs the good.

[filibustero]

Which makes me wonder saan napunta yun pera nun panahon ni Marcos galing sa allokasyon at pati na rin yun inutang. Sabi ni ka ed 17,000 classrooms ang kanyang napahawa sa mahabang panahon niyang panunungkulan. Sabi dito may 500,000 classrooms na tayo. So divide it equally by 5 presidents thats 90,000 classroom built per administration after marcos. Kulang kulang 5x di po ba?

 

 

http://www.rappler.com/nation/94866-school-opening-2015

Not sure kung saan galing yung 17,000. Pero dun sa 1967 SONA ni Marcos, sabi dun may 17,000 classrooms na napagawa galing sa 724 schoolhouses na naitayo. Baka dun galing yung 17,000 na numero? Pero 1967 pa yun; first term pa lang nya yun.

 

As to PAGCOR funds, sabi dun sa P.D. 1869, from 1977-1982 nung una ginawa PAGCOR, 1.67 Billion pesos lang ang gross revenues ng PAGCOR. I suppose malaking pera na yun nung panahon na yun at malaki naitulong nito sa pagpondo ng infrastructure projects. Syempre hindi naman natin masasabi nang may kasiguruhan kung sa infrastructure nga ba napunta yun o sa bulsa, kasi marami dito nagsasabi marami naipagawa na infrastructure si FM at marami din nagsasabi kinurakot lang yan. We are all free to speculate naman. Wala naman kasi ako COA audit report ng mga panahon na yun.

[haroots2]

DepEd has already requested funds for the construction of 27,499 classrooms, and will be hiring 37,000 teachers in 2016 for Senior High School alone," the department said then.

- See more at: http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/491038/news/nation/classroom-teacher-shortages-to-welcome-new-school-year-lawmaker-warns#sthash.RspKWIlS.dpuf

 

 

 

 

They are obligated now to do more classrooms para hindi pumalpak yung K1-12 program nila. Initially palpak na ito kasi pinilit inimplement kahit di pa ready ang mga schools nationwide para lang umabot sa Aquino administration.

In terms of infrastructure projects like schools, bridges etc., wala nang hihigit pa kay Marcos because simply that era was the really the time to build most of it. Kumbaga na fill up na ni Marcos halos lahat ng kailangan to do these infra, ang role na lng ng next admin. is to continue it.

Edited November 13, 2015 by haroots2

[Edmund Dantes]

I could not argue better, Haroots and Filibustero said it best. unang term pa nga lang yan 17000, pwera pa dyan yung ilang national highschool at state u na napatayo nung period na yun.

 

Tandaan natin, yung issue ng siksikang mga classroom at kakulangan sa teachers nagumpisa yan kay Ramos at sa mga sumundo. Tapos si Marcos pa din me kasalanan nyan? Aysus! Hirap kasi sa mga double standard, puro na lang pagsisisi sa taong matagal ng patay.

 

Alam nyo, me ilang generation ng family na rin namin ang nagaral sa UP. Noong panahon daw ni Marcos, alagang alaga daw ang UP at mga state U. Ngayon pag bumabalik sila dun, sinasabing parang hindi naman halos na-upgrade yung itsura ng campus. Parang feeling mo 70s pa din yung facilities lol. Of course every now and then me nadadagdag, pero kumpara sa mga private universities na parang laging brand new yung campus, medyo napagiwanan na nga. Its a shame because ito dapat pinakamagaling na unibersidad natin. Me isa rin akong kamagaanak nag medicine sa UP-PGH. Noon daw sobra dami yung gamot dyan, kelangan na itapon kasi expired na. Samantalang mga pasyente kelangan pumila ng madaling araw para makakuha libreng gamot at ng di maubusan.

 

Nung nagtuturo pa ako, I participated noon sa training ng DepEd teachers at pag-update ng mga textbooks. Talagang nakakakilabot kung papano bumaba ng husto standards ng mga public school books natin. Ni hindi man lang na-proof read ng maayos. Sometimes you even wonder if a team of monkeys wrote it. Halatang dun pa lang amoy na amoy mo na produkto ito ng corruption. At itong mga librong ito ha, napublish panahon na ni Erap. Naalala nyo text book scam noon? O ano kasalanan ulit yan ni Marcos? Kung di sya kasi naging corrupt baka di rin naging corrupt yung mga nanungkulan nung panahon ni Erap? Ano ba!

 

I will admit, you look at the romanticized story of EDSA people power 1, even that of EDSA 2, eh maganda talaga. Ang kaso walang followthrough. Walang ibang ginawa kundi sisihin si Marcos sa lahat na lang ng problema. Walang mangyayari kung ganyan tayo. Dapat kung sino nakaupo akuin yung responsibilidad ng problema. OK mahirap buhay panahon ni Marcos? Sige kasalanan nya yan. kahit naman si Bongbong sabi me masamang naidulot martial law. Pero kung mahirap pa din buhay natin ngayon, hindi na yan kasalanan ni Marcos.

[rooster69ph]

I could not argue better, Haroots and Filibustero said it best. unang term pa nga lang yan 17000, pwera pa dyan yung ilang national highschool at state u na napatayo nung period na yun.

 

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So ilan ba lahat talaga? Can you provide comparative figures to justify your statement "Pagsama-samahin mo man presidente mula kay Cory at Ngoyngoy hindi pa din yan matatapatan". Talk is cheap right?

 

 

 

 

 

Matanong lang din kita, sinisisi ba o may nagsisisi ba kay Marcos about the text book scam nun panahon ni Erap?

[camiar]

 

So ilan ba lahat talaga? Can you provide comparative figures to justify your statement "Pagsama-samahin mo man presidente mula kay Cory at Ngoyngoy hindi pa din yan matatapatan". Talk is cheap right?

 

 

 

 

 

Matanong lang din kita, sinisisi ba o may nagsisisi ba kay Marcos about the text book scam nun panahon ni Erap?

 

During Marcos' administration, there was a classroom building program using mass-manufactured standardized building design (they called it "Marcos-type" school building). A lot of classrooms were built during Marcos's first 8 years as president, a lot of which still stands today. If I am not mistaken, it is part of Japan's war reparations payment program to the Philippines, which also included funding for the construction of the famous North Diversion Road (now NLEX).

 

Regarding Erap, why would he say anything negative vs. Marcos, eh magkakampi naman sila simula't sapul?

Edited November 14, 2015 by camiar

[rooster69ph]

During Marcos' administration, there was a classroom building program using mass-manufactured standardized building design (they called it "Marcos-type" school building). A lot of classrooms were built during Marcos's first 8 years as president, a lot of which still stands today. If I am not mistaken, it is part of Japan's war reparations payment program to the Philippines, which also included funding for the construction of the famous North Diversion Road (now NLEX).

 

Hindi naman issue kung madami o konti eh...

 

What you just said still does not resolve the issue whether or not marcos indeed build more classrooms than all the president that came after him as one claimed. So fact ba yun or myth?

[camiar]

Hindi naman issue kung madami o konti eh...

 

What you just said still does not resolve the issue whether or not marcos indeed build more classrooms than all the president that came after him as one claimed. So fact ba yun or myth?

 

I think it's up to you to find out in order to disprove edmund's (?) claim.

 

Ang alam ko nung Marcos' time, marami talagang newly constructed school buildings kahit saan ka magpunta, na hindi ko nakita in the subsequent administrations.

[rooster69ph]

 

I think it's up to you to find out in order to disprove edmund's (?) claim.

 

Ang alam ko nung Marcos' time, marami talagang newly constructed school buildings kahit saan ka magpunta, na hindi ko nakita in the subsequent administrations.

 

I have already so you may want to backread a bit to see the figures I've presented that shows there were more that 17,000 classrooms built.

 

Now unless Marcos loyalist or defenders in this issue can show figures that will counter the numbers presented, e this will remain a myth. Ang dali kasi sabihin na "ang alam ko talaga marami" eh hindi naman maibigay yun numero. As I said talk is cheap.

[camiar]

 

I have already so you may want to backread a bit to see the figures I've presented that shows there were more that 17,000 classrooms built.

 

Now unless Marcos loyalist or defenders in this issue can show figures that will counter the numbers presented, e this will remain a myth. Ang dali kasi sabihin na "ang alam ko talaga marami" eh hindi naman maibigay yun numero. As I said talk is cheap.

OK.

 

I made some searches, and I can't find Marcos' figures.

 

From www.nscb.gov.ph, GMA's statistics shows she built a lot of classrooms, too, and the numbers shown are only during the last five years of her term.

 

Edited November 16, 2015 by camiar

[rooster69ph]

OK.

 

I made some searches, and I can't find Marcos' figures.

 

From www.nscb.gov.ph, GMA's statistics shows she built a lot of classrooms, too, and the numbers shown are only during the last five years of her term.

 

noofclassrooms.jpg

 

 

... thus its a MYTH unless proven otherwise..

Edited November 16, 2015 by rooster69ph

[camiar]

 

 

... thus its a MYTH unless proven otherwise..

 

Myth because it shows GMA doing more in five years than what Abnoy can ever do in his lifetime?

 

That's from the Philippine Statistics Authority.

 

Numbers don't lie.

 

follow this link:

 

http://www.nscb.gov.ph/stats/statdev/2009/Education/Chapter_Education.asp

[rooster69ph]

Myth because it shows GMA doing more in five years than what Abnoy can ever do in his lifetime?

 

That's from the Philippine Statistics Authority.

 

Numbers don't lie.

 

follow this link:

 

http://www.nscb.gov.ph/stats/statdev/2009/Education/Chapter_Education.asp

Myth because blind loyalist failed to face the fact that marcos never built more schools that all his successors combined...kung blackjack ito buta na bumubunot pa eh kaya yun segway.

 

Back to basics tayo...Granted inutil si PNoy compared to PGMA and all the presidents we have, yun 86 thousand classrooms built from 2010 to 2014 which i quoted from a news report a few post back is still more than the 17,000 Marcos built in what? 20 years? Magiging fact ba yun sinasabi na si marcos ang may pinakamaraming napagawang classrooms sa lahat ng sumunod sa kanya combined?

 

Indeed...Numbers don't lie

Edited November 16, 2015 by rooster69ph