We Are Awesome Thread

[rooster69ph]

To you everybody is corrupt, even the priests. So how could we even attempt to be corruption-free? -- Without directly mentioning it, you are trying to discredit my claim that we donot engage in corrupt practices.

 

Well of course, if you're not aware of Trace International, you wouldn't appreciate the efforts and actions we did to achieve the certification.

 

Does any your clients conduct integrity check on their suppliers? Probably not, because you obviously do not understand the efforts in maintaining professional, corruption-free transactions. You probably are not aware that it can actually be done.

 

We diligently maintain our commitment against bribery and we have our clients and third-party certifying organizations like Trace Int'l to back it up.

 

 

Ikaw, anong meron ka?

 

 

Talk is cheap, you say? What have your company, or you yourself done to fight corruption? You think ranting on perceived corruption issues against Binay will do it? Dream on.

 

Feeling holier than thou, but empty on results.

Erring priest are but used as an example.

 

Bottomline don't tell us that you are an advocate of corruption when at the end of the day you are selective of which form of corruption you want to erradicate or support.

 

As it is...it shows! Anything fir binay.

[rooster69ph]

Nasubukan mo na bang magpaliwanag ng maayos at magalang sa pulis para patawarin ka sa traffic violation mo without paying bribe? Ako nagawa ko na. It worked 70% of the time. Yung iba, (yung 30%) kelangan talaga magbigay kahit bente pesos, kasi yun talaga ang gusto nung nanghuhuli -- maka-kotong. It's not a perfect world. So ingat ka lang sa pagda-drive at sumunod sa traffic rules para maka-iwas sa huli.

 

Pero sa yo na holier than thou, tulad ni Punkee, hindi nyo talaga matatanggap yan.

See ... This proves my point. Pinagsisigawan mong anti corruption at kung anong certification ang pinagkukuha ninyo and yet what? Nagbibigay ka rin pala dahil gusto nun nanghuli? O dahil ginusto mo rin para di ka maperwisyo? Selective diba?

 

If you are really an advocate of corruption tulad ng pinagmamalaki mo pwede ka naman magpaticket kaysa konsintehin ang kotong cop. Everything is a choice and you choose to give in to the demand of a corrupt cop for whatever benefit you tend to get from it.

 

The difference between the two of us is that hindi ko pinagmamalaking malinis ako at tandaan mo ikaw ang nagyayabang na you walk the talk na hindi naman pala.

 

Alam mo tanggap ko na walang perfect na candidate. Sabi nga namin si Binay corrupt. Now maiintindihan pa kita kung aminin mo na lang na corrupt siya pero dahil sa ibang qualities na meron siya kaya mas nanaisin mo pa na siya ang manalo. In short his being corrupt outweighs what positives he can bring to this country. But hindi e...manindigan bang hindi corrupt si Binay despite everything.

[rooster69ph]

 

Kaya nga sinabi ko, it's not a perfect world. 20 pesos to a kotong cop. Para sa akin, don't sweat the small stuff. Pero kung sa yo malaking bagay yun, eh di WOW.

 

How many times was I apprehended for traffic violation? 5 times in 3 years. How many times did I pay the kotong cops? 1 or 2 times. Oo nagbibigay din ako, pero it's for expediency. There was also a time na nagpa-ticket din ako (e.g. overspeeding along Macapagal Ave.), because I knew I can get time off from the office to pay the fine. So, generally, I don't consider myself corrupt.

 

Let set this clear ... being an anti corruption advocate, hindi siguro tamang mamimili ka lang kung kailang at sa anong dahilan kung bakit mo gustong maging anti-corrupt.

Depende ba sa halaga ang batayan kung dapat tawaging magnanakaw ang isang nagnakaw ng 20 o kumpara sa 20K? Yes 20 is nothing to us ... but it is not the amount involved, it is your act. And worst you are "justifying" your part by saying maliit lang naman. E paano kung billionaryo ako at barya lang sa akin ang 500? Does that mean ok lang manuhol ako dahil barya lang naman ang 500 sa akin.

Ikaw, inamin mo sa previous post post mo na nagbibigay ka sa City Hall Officials. Yet you don't consider yourself corrupt as well. Ang feeling mo nga mas banal ka kaysa sa amin. Pero, other than preaching your "I hate Binay" and holier than thou mantra in this forum, ano ba ang nagawa mo to stop corruption?

 

 

Sorry to disappoint...I don't recall claiming such. Pero tulad ng sinabi ko, hindi ako "banal" tulad mo na nagtatago sa certification ng isang anti-corruption agency. Uulitin ko lang, kahit na sabihin mo na you are doing your effort sa anti-corruption, it does not mean anything to me to strengthen your position na hindi ka "corrupt" sa for supporting a corrupt candidate.

Ako at ang mga kasama ko sa kumpanya namin, may nagawa na at may ginagawa pa laban sa corruption. Ikaw, hanggang reklamo ka pa lang.

I challenge you, get your company to apply for Trace International certification. Baka magkita pa tayo sa next Trace anti-bribery forum event kung uumpisahan mo na ngayon.

 

 

Dude, masyado kang bilib sa TRACE ... e kitang kita naman na kahit may certification yan kumpanya mo, ikaw mismo upon your own admission is doing corrupt practices...yun nga lang in denial at you try to "justify". Ang pagbigay sa extortion naging donasyon. Ang lagay kay kotong cop ano tawag ... "TIP" to expedite?

 

AYUN! Nadali mo. Binay has other more important traits that qualifies him to lead this country. Yun ang sagot sa tanong ko in my previous post: "What do you make of it?"

 

 

Unfortunately, I still believe that corruption has no role whatsoever in public service no matter how good one is.

Hindi ko pinaninindigan sa iyo that Binay is not corrupt. What for? In your definition anyway, everybody is corrupt.

 

 

Hmp ... i thought you walk the talk ... iba yata ang sinasabi mo sa mga naging arguments mo.

 

It is just that, to me, corruption is not the issue. We have enough laws and control and regulatory mechanisms to curb and avoid corruption. What we need is a national political will to follow these laws and be vigilant in avoiding bribery and corruption. It start with individual citizens

. The real issue is that we need leadership and competence.

 

How can a corrupt be competent? Can one be competent for spending more that what is necessary just so he can have kick-backs? Again as we all have agreed, there is no perfect candidate. But your choice reflects your principles.

[camiar]

^^^Sa hinaba-haba ng sagot mo, iisa lang ang lumalabas.

 

Hanggang reklamo ka lang.

 

But there are others like us who are already incorporating anti-bribery and anti-corruption culture into our corporate organizations. A growing number of us who have taken the pro-active stance have already realized that corruption per se is not the problem . It is the lack of leadership and competence of our leaders, particularly so with the current administration under the Liberal Party and Abnoy..

Edited February 2, 2016 by camiar

[rooster69ph]

^^^Sa hinaba-haba ng sagot mo, iisa lang ang lumalabas.

 

Hanggang reklamo ka lang.

 

But there are others like us who are already incorporating anti-bribery and anti-corruption culture into our corporate organizations. A growing number of us who have taken the pro-active stance have already realized that corruption per se is not the problem . It is the lack of leadership and competence of our leaders, particularly so with the current administration under the Liberal Party and Abnoy..

 

wrong ... hindi ako nagrereklamo. In the first place there is nothing to complain considering each is entitled to vote for the candidate he/she likes or prefer.

 

You still don't get it or just trying to look the other way. This all boils down to pointing out that there are people who claims to be righteous in their principles just because their company is certified by an anti corruption agency. As Punkee pointed it out earlier, how low can you go? Yun extortion naging donation. Yun pagbibigay sa kotong cop hindi "corrupt" just because 20 pesos lang. Pag ignore sa mga katiwalian for whatever flimsy reason that can be given...etc.

 

Pro-active in anti-corruption??? HAhAHA ... SELECTIVE is more appropriate.

[camiar]

Rooster:

 

While reading your series of posts, I had an epiphany:

 

Your main reason in posting in this forum is just to keep the discussion on one topic alone : Corruption => Binay

 

You're not interested on whether people are making efforts to stop corruption.

 

If any poster try to talk about other campaign issues, you hijack the topic to steer it back to corruption issue.

 

Your job here in this forum is to force the discussions to revolve around corruption and then you will link it to Binay.

 

Corruption. Binay. Corruption. Binay. Corruption. Binay....

 

Propaganda and character demolition. They must pay you well...

 

Alam na....

Edited February 2, 2016 by camiar

[rooster69ph]

Efforts ba kamo to stop corruption Camiar?

 

Eto lang yun .... Ikaw mismo inamin mo corrupt si Binay. A no to Binay is a no to corruption. Simple logic lang yan. And i have also been into debates with people (including you if my recollection serves me right) claiming Marcos is the best because he is acknowledge as the most corrupt president we have.

 

You have always supported the likes of Marcos and Binay, even belittling corruption issues against them. Quite surprising for someone who claims to be anti corruption but believes corruption is not an issue when we go to the precint and choose our next president.

 

Who is trying to tell the world that he is doing his share to fight corruption because his company has a "shitification" from an agency that its advocacy on anti corrupt business practices when the fact of the matter is you, who's the majority owner and a sr. executive have already confess to corrupt practices. Again let me remind you of your confessions as to "donations" given a.k.a extortion plus the 20 pesos you hand out to kotong cops.

 

Sabi nga nun isang poster ... The principles you have in choosing your candidates reflects who you are. Mahirap magpanggap ng kung sino hindi ka talaga dahil lalabas at lalabas din.

 

Bayaran daw ako? How low can one go just to look credible again. Well if that is true, whoever paid me should be commended for doing a good cause for being truly anti corruption.

Edited February 2, 2016 by rooster69ph

[camiar]

Efforts ba kamo to stop corruption Camiar?

 

Eto lang yun .... Ikaw mismo inamin mo corrupt si Binay. A no to Binay is a no to corruption. Simple logic lang yan. And i have also been into debates with people (including you if my recollection serves me right) claiming Marcos is the best because he is acknowledge as the most corrupt president we have.

 

You have always supported the likes of Marcos and Binay, even belittling corruption issues against them. Quite surprising for someone who claims to be anti corruption but believes corruption is not an issue when we go to the precint and choose our next president.

 

Who is trying to tell the world that he is doing his share to fight corruption because his company has a "shitification" from an agency that its advocacy on anti corrupt business practices when the fact of the matter is you, who's the majority owner and a sr. executive have already confess to corrupt practices. Again let me remind you of your confessions as to "donations" given a.k.a extortion plus the 20 pesos you hand out to kotong cops.

 

Sabi nga nun isang poster ... The principles you have in choosing your candidates reflects who you are. Mahirap magpanggap ng kung sino hindi ka talaga dahil lalabas at lalabas din.

 

Bayaran daw ako? How low can one go just to look credible again. Well if that is true, whoever paid me should be commended for doing a good cause for being truly anti corruption.

 

Alam na.

 

Your main mission is to hijack discussions in this forum and refocus it back to corruption issue because it is your main negative propaganda vs. Binay.

 

You are not after a sensible debate on presidential policy issues.

 

You are just a minion tasked to keep negative comments on corruption flowing in this forum and divert the flow to Binay.

 

Posters here will be quick to realize your schemes.

 

A short review of your previous posts will clearly prove it.

 

Kahit na anong self-righteous holier than thou mantra pa ang sabihin mo ngayon, wa epek na yan.

 

Magpalit ka na lang ulit ng alternick. Bistado ka na.

Edited February 3, 2016 by camiar

[rooster69ph]

 

Alam na.

 

Your main mission is to hijack discussions in this forum and refocus it back to corruption issue because it is your main negative propaganda vs. Binay.

 

You are not after a sensible debate on presidential policy issues.

 

You are just a minion tasked to keep negative comments on corruption flowing in this forum and divert the flow to Binay.

 

Posters here will be quick to realize your schemes.

 

A short review of your previous posts will clearly prove it.

 

Kahit na anong self-righteous holier than thou mantra pa ang sabihin mo ngayon, wa epek na yan.

 

Magpalit ka na lang ulit ng alternick. Bistado ka na.

 

amusing ... di na kita papatulan sa mga paratang mo. Paano naging hindi sensible issue ang corruption sa eleksiyon?

 

 

Balik tanaw ...

 

Camiar: Ok lang na magbigay ako ng 20 sa kotong cops kahit anti-corruption advocate ako kasi anu ba naman ang 20 napakamaliit na bagay ...barya lang sa akin yan.

 

 

So ang tanong ko Camiar, yan ba ang itinuturo mo sa anak mo? Ok lang mangupit o magnakaw ng 20 tutal 20 lang naman, maliit na halaga. If yes then saludo ako sa iyo...I rest my case na isa ka talagang anti corruption advocate. Pero if hindi, then obviously corruption and/or stealing from the gov't coffers is an issue. Otherwise, bakit mo pangangaralan ang anak mo na wag mangupit kahit 20 lang yan.

[rooster69ph]

 

blacklantern, on 14 Dec 2015 - 08:53 AM, said:

For any who would like to comment:

 

Which candidate would be most able to sustain economic gains and/or even improve these?

 

Binay, Miriam

blacklantern, on 14 Dec 2015 - 08:53 AM, said:

 

 

Which candidate would be most able to improve the trickle-down effect of economic gains to the masa and/or help more of the masa gain more financial stability in their lives (basta a marked improvement)?

 

 

Binay, Miriam, Duterte

blacklantern, on 14 Dec 2015 - 08:53 AM, said:

 

Which candidate would be most able to help stabilize if not come to an acceptable conclusion or resolution -- the Spratlys row, and the conflict with aaaallllll the rebels and separatists?

 

Miriam, Binay

 

 

On other issues relevant to choosing the next president ... you consistently named MDS and Binay as the best bet.

And yet, its Binay for you despite the fact that we both agree that he is corrupt.

So the question is why not MDS over Binay? That is assuming you are really true to your advocacy of being anti-corrupt?

Edited February 3, 2016 by rooster69ph

[camiar]

 

amusing ... di na kita papatulan sa mga paratang mo. Paano naging hindi sensible issue ang corruption sa eleksiyon?

 

 

Balik tanaw ...

 

Camiar: Ok lang na magbigay ako ng 20 sa kotong cops kahit anti-corruption advocate ako kasi anu ba naman ang 20 napakamaliit na bagay ...barya lang sa akin yan.

 

 

So ang tanong ko Camiar, yan ba ang itinuturo mo sa anak mo? Ok lang mangupit o magnakaw ng 20 tutal 20 lang naman, maliit na halaga. If yes then saludo ako sa iyo...I rest my case na isa ka talagang anti corruption advocate. Pero if hindi, then obviously corruption and/or stealing from the gov't coffers is an issue. Otherwise, bakit mo pangangaralan ang anak mo na wag mangupit kahit 20 lang yan.

Oh di ba? persistently reorienting the discussion to corruption angle.

 

Per post ba ang bayad sa yo dito?

 

Bistado na.

 

Tama na.

 

Alam na.

 

No more arguments.

Edited February 3, 2016 by camiar

[punkee]

Tries to discredit me. Ho hum.

Trying to discredit rooster. Not working.

Trying to feel good for himself by advertising his company's stand against corruption. Parang may kailangan I-prove yata even to himself.

 

Simpleng kotong cop hindi mapaandar ang prinsipyo. That shows who you are and that corruption is ok with you. I, and many people I know, have stopped giving in to kotong cops ages ago. P20 is small stuff? Yup, to you. but it feeds the corrupt culture that we are supposed to try to eliminate or minimize. Stop bragging about your company and your anti-corrupt stance.

 

Camiar, You give the kotong cops for expediency. That says a lot. Your principles and moral integrity are only up to the point of personal convenience. There is another word for that - selfishness. So what if I get inconvenienced? I will not support corruption no matter how small.

 

And guess what. In the so many years I have not given in to kotong cops, once pa lang ako na-inconevenience to have to go thru the whole red tape of the penalties. Halos Lahat nakuha sa usapan at paliwanag. NO KOTONG.

But the kotong continues because of people who accept that it will never change. People like camiar.

 

We are fighting something bigger than our convenience. Many people do not have the convenience that you have. No wonder your vision is so limited. It only goes as far as is convenient to you.

 

And so as not to be too OT: I am strong against BINAY for the presidency because HE IS CORRUPT. and with his corruption, he can buy more power, and continue his stealing and lying ways.

There is a reason why I don't spend so much time criticizing the other candidates. With the other candidates, we will argue about competence, experience, morals, etc. These are the traits that should be discerned and weighed against one another. Tama lang. Are they corrupt too? Maybe. But if ever, they are definitely not in the same league and power base as Binay's abusive kingdom. Yan, alam na.

 

BInay should be an non-issue. Sadly, people try to make evil look good. Evil is always evil. And evil has power.

Edited February 3, 2016 by punkee

[camiar]

^^^ Aba, nag tag-team pa si Rooster at Punkee.

 

Halatang one and the same person using two alternicks. Double pay siguro.

 

Same modus operandi. Corruption --> Binay.

 

Both tasked to keep this post flooded with corruption issues to keep the negative propaganda going against Binay.

 

Bistado ka na Rooster69ph aka Punkee.

 

Tigilan mo na kami. Di na uubra style mo. Gasgas na.

 

Magpalit ka na lang ng alternicks and try again.

 

 

 

For readers who are interested in promoting anti-bribery at corporate level, follow this link: http://www.traceinternational.org/

Edited February 3, 2016 by camiar

[rooster69ph]

For some para magmukhang nagpropromote ng anti-bribery kailangan magpacertify sa isang organisasyon tulad ng trace. E kitang kita naman na certified man ang kumpanya, yun may-ari na sr executive rin e nagbigay sa kotong cops kaysa maperwisyo dahil nilabag niya ang batas trapiko.

 

These kind of voters na kala mo know it all, at nagmamalinis pero nasa loob pala ang kulo at corrupted ang pagiisip ang totoong salot ng lipunan.

 

Tulad ng sinabi ko sa naunang post ko ... Hindi ang mga corrupt at di qualified na kandidato ang pinakamalaking problem natin sa susunod na halalan kundi ang mga botanteng salot ng lipunan.

 

Ayun tulad ng kanyang iniidolo, kung anu anong kasinungalingan na ang pinagsasabi ngayong nabuking at hindi makalusot sa kanyang pagpapanggap na malinis.

[punkee]

Camiar, you wish it was propaganda. I know from experience. I've told you a gazillion times. Binay smiles in front of the camera with the smoothest voice in the most polite manner. Take away the camera and it's a complete turnaround. Dirty mouth, mayabang, bastos. Name it. I HAVE SEEN THAT. Of course, you will try to make yourself feel better with some justification about me that you know nothing about.

Next thing you will say is that LImlingan and Baloloy are really very wealthy individuals. Propaganda. Pffft.

 

You know what, you and jopoc are just so the same. Now, your way out is to say that rooster and I are one? Just like jopoc. There is a pattern among you folks. Include my good friend Marcos loyalist among your kind. Please take that seriously. It is a pattern where your pride takes over and would not want to listen anymore and see what is really going around.

Is it hard to believe that more than one person abhors corruption?

 

Even if he were not corrupt. Even if he were the cleanest of the clean. I will not vote or support anyone who thinks Alma Moreno can create laws that will benefit our country. Simple.

 

Kotong Cops lang wala ka nang paninindigan. No wonder you find it hard to comprehend that not everyone is corrupt.