South China/West Philippine Sea

[rooster69ph]

 

Si Rooster ang nadulas dyan kaya nabuking na babae si tk21.

Funny... u guys believe what u wanna believe without factual checks. Quite gullible. Malay mo kung pinagloloko ko lang kayo or it was also an honest mistake on my end to type she instead of he

[camiar]

Funny... u guys believe what u wanna believe without factual checks. Quite gullible. Malay mo kung pinagloloko ko lang kayo or it was also an honest mistake on my end to type she instead of he

dapat nag-deadma ka na lang.

 

your response confirms your slip.

Edited May 29, 2018 by camiar

[rooster69ph]

dapat nag-deadma ka na lang.

 

your response confirms your slip.

bakit? sapul ano po.

 

slip or no slip it actually confirms how gullible you are in believing what you wanna believe without validating ...mga tangang nagsipaniwala at nagsisunuran na lang like a herd.

 

sinundan mo yun sinabi kong she nagsunuran naman yun kapwa tards mo sa iyo. lol

Edited May 29, 2018 by rooster69ph

[tk421]

So my gender is significant to this topic because...?

[haroots2]

dapat nag-deadma ka na lang.

 

your response confirms your slip.

 

Technically pwede naman tama siya eh. Alam mo ba tawag din kay Vice Ganda

 

Para di lang OT

 

A diplomatic protest can be done discreetly para hindi magalit yung kabilang side. Hindi naman lagi kailangan may press release.

[tk421]

Backside diplomacy. Yun pala ang trip niyo.

 

Kaya pala todo luhod si Duterte sa China.

[rooster69ph]

Likewise...The president can also be discrete is his ass kissing activities towards china in order not to raise suspicion

[juan t]

Duterte on bullying of Filipinos in Scarborough: It was barter, not outright seizure

Dharel Placido, ABS-CBN News

Posted at Jun 18 2018 07:05 PM | Updated as of Jun 18 2018 07:32 PM

MANILA - President Rodrigo Duterte on Monday downplayed the Chinese Coast Guard’s move to get the prized catch of Filipino fishermen at the Scarborough Shoal, even as Filipino fishermen seek the government’s help in stopping the abusive practice of the Chinese.

Concerns over renewed tension between China and the Philippines in the rich fishing ground grew earlier this month after a television report showed Chinese coast guard personnel getting the catch of fishermen who pass by the shoal, located only 124 nautical miles off Zambales.

The President, however, downplayed the incident and insisted it was a form of “barter”.

He said it was unfortunate that the Chinese coast guardsmen and the Filipino fishermen had a problem in determining the value of the catch and the items they had exchanged.

Filipino fishermen earlier complained that their catch, worth thousands of pesos, would sometimes be seized by the Chinese in exchange for a few pieces of bottled water, packs of cigarettes, and instant noodles.

“Ang problema ang valuation….It was not an outright seizure,” Duterte said in a speech during the 120th anniversary of the Department of Foreign Affairs in Pasay City.

The Philippines has complained to China over the incident, but Manila has refused to blow the incident out of proportion and called it “small” compared to the overall ties of the two Asian neighbors.

Chinese Ambassador to the Philippines Zhao Jianhua said the coast guard personnel involved in the incident will be disciplined “in accordance with our own regulations.”

Scarborough, called by Filipinos as Panatag Shoal and by the Chinese as Huangyan Island, was the site of a 2012 standoff between the Philippines and China. The standoff erupted when Manila sent its biggest warship to chase off Chinese poachers.

China gained effective control of the shoal after Manila withdrew its vessel. It then started blocking Filipino fishermen from the shoal.

President Duterte’s overtures to Beijing lowered the tension in the area, with Xi himself promising to allow Filipino fishermen back into the rocky outcrop.

But fishermen say China continues to have control over the shoal despite the decision of a United Nations-backed arbitral tribunal in 2016 which declared it as a traditional fishing ground for both China and the Philippines.

In his speech, the President again stressed that he cannot fight China over the disputed South China Sea, as the Asian giant is “no pushover.”

“You cannot scare him (China). Even the US has show a little bit of apprehension about it...If you go against China, Russia will join the fray,” he said.

There had been reports last year of an emerging “barter” system between Filipino fishermen and Chinese coast guardsmen, but it was only this year that the Filipinos lamented that they were on the losing end of this system.

The shoal is a potential flashpoint in the disputed sea, as maritime experts say Beijing is eyeing to build another artificial island there to fully cement its control of the vital waterway.

Manila has declared any Chinese reclamation on the shoal as a “red line.”

 

http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/06/18/18/duterte-on-bullying-of-filipinos-in-scarborough-it-was-barter-not-outright-seizure

 

 

 

Dumbass Filipino fishermen. Hindi marunong makipag swap.

[Calvin Chua]

WPS is ours.

[camiar]

China's interest in South China Sea is not necessarily the fisheries nor the oil and gas. Forget about that.

They want to control the entire South China Sea for their strategic defense. They want to keep out US, UK, and other Western Navies and Air Forces away from SCS.

This is similar to USA's strategy to maintain military supremacy over the entire Pacific Ocean to protect the US West Coast.

In military terms, this is called Anti-Access / Area Denial (A2/AD) strategy.

China is close to achieving this goal. Their next intention is to occupy the Scarborough Shoal and turn it into a military base.

This is the plan:

Red lines are Surface-to-Air Missile Ranges. Violet Lines are Anti Ship Cruise Missile Ranges.Yellow Lines are Ballistic Missile Ranges.

[juan t]

 

China's interest in South China Sea is not necessarily the fisheries nor the oil and gas. Forget about that.

They want to control the entire South China Sea for their strategic defense. They want to keep out US, UK, and other Western Navies and Air Forces away from SCS.

This is similar to USA's strategy to maintain military supremacy over the entire Pacific Ocean to protect the US West Coast.

In military terms, this is called Anti-Access / Area Denial (A2/AD) strategy.

China is close to achieving this goal. Their next intention is to occupy the Scarborough Shoal and turn it into a military base.

This is the plan:

Red lines are Surface-to-Air Missile Ranges. Violet Lines are Anti Ship Cruise Missile Ranges.Yellow Lines are Ballistic Missile Ranges.

SCS-Islands-Fig-3.jpeg

 

 

 

...and by staying silent, Duterte is helping them achieve their goal.

[Bolj]

Media protest ata ang gusto hindi formal and diplomatic protest.

[camiar]

 

 

...and by staying silent, Duterte is helping them achieve their goal.

 

The Office of the President and the Department of Foreign Affairs have been saying that diplomatic protests have been filed for every perceived violation against our sovereignty.

 

National Strategic Defense Policy goes beyond sitting Presidents. We have defense plans and doctrines. Our government follows the National Security advisers' recommendation on what actions to take on issues like these.

 

Just because you didn't read it in yellow newspapers, silent na? Shallow perception.

 

They will achieve their goal because they persevered on their plan.

 

Not because we allowed them.

 

Can you understand the difference?

Edited July 22, 2018 by camiar

[juan t]

 

The Office of the President and the Department of Foreign Affairs have been saying that diplomatic protests have been filed for every perceived violation against our sovereignty.

 

Just because you didn't read it in yellow newspapers, silent na?

 

They will achieve their goal because they persevered on their plan.

 

Not because we allowed them.

 

Can you understand the difference?

 

 

The President himself also stated many times that :

 

"Now it not the right time" and

 

"What do you want me to do? Go to war? We cannot defeat them."

 

 

It makes it seem like the DFA is lying to the public to appease us.

Edited July 22, 2018 by juan t

[camiar]

We also have our own military plans on how we can secure our sovereignty over our exclusive economic zone.

 

China wants strategic security of their southern coasts against the US and its Western Allies. They are entitled to that.

 

We, the Philippines, has no interest in US-China power rivalry. We only want sovereign control of our exclusive economic zone. We , too, are entitled to that.

 

Once we understand each others' needs and justifications, we can eventually work out an agreement.

 

 

This picture below is one of the proposed Philippine missile defense plan.

 

Missile batteries to extend our defense coverage of our EEZ on the West Philippine Sea. We have to work hard to achieve our plans, as China does to achieve theirs.

 

Edited July 22, 2018 by camiar

[camiar]

 

 

The President himself also stated many times that :

 

"Now it not the right time" and

 

"What do you want me to do? Go to war? We cannot defeat them."

 

 

It makes it seem like the DFA is lying to the public to appease us.

Which one among those statement is not true?

 

Now is not the right time for military confrontation, US style. We are still building up our economy and our external defense capability. We should work it out such that we can handle our sovereignty issues without relying on the US military.

 

Did he at any time say that we did not file a protest?

Edited July 22, 2018 by camiar

[camiar]

using that logic how come:

 

1. nagkaroon ng clash ang vietnam at china regarding sa pagpapadala ng oil platform sa area na sakop ng vietnam?

2. nasaan ang sinasabi ni dutae na "INDEPENDENT FOREIGN POLICY" kung ang bagsak eh magkakaroon din tayo ng strategic security. Liwanagin mo, pwede ba tayo maging neutral since may independent foreign policy tayo. Ibabalik ba nila sa atin ang mga isla na sa mata ng UN eh tayo ang may karapatan na gamitin at papag-unlarin.

 

kung totoong makabayan ka, are you willing to defend this country once na umalis si dutae at may pumalit na mag-demand na umalis ang china sa mga isla na inokupa nila?

Vietnam has been very effective in non-military confrontation against the Chinese. The clashes were done by Vietnamese fishermen, ramming their fishing boats against the huge Chinese drilling ships. Non-combatants. But harrassing, nontheless.

 

It would have been exciting if we followed Vietnam's lead.

 

But then again, if the Chinese retaliated violently against the unarmed fishermen, can our military back up our civilian activists?

 

Vietnam think they can.

 

Can we?

 

From our experience with what happened during Abnoy's term, when we lost control over Scarborough Shoal and Mischief Reef, tells me we have more work to do first before acting macho. For the meantime, we offer friendship and diplomacy.

Edited July 22, 2018 by camiar

[juan t]

Which one among those statement is not true?

 

Now is not the right time for military confrontation, US style. We are still building up our economy and our external defense capability. We should work it out such that we can handle our sovereignty issues without relying on the US military.

 

Did he at any time say that we did not file a protest?

 

There you go parroting Duterte. Who said anything about military confrontation? All we are asking for is a formal protest not that silent crap that the DFA supposedly has been filing.

 

What good is a protest when its only our heads of state and China's that knows about it? The Filipino people dont know about it. The Chinese people dont know about it. Our allies dont know about it. The whole world doesnt know about it.

 

In the eyes of the world, we are silent and we agree to what China is doing to us. So if and when the time comes and we ask for the help of the international community, guess what they are going to say? "Eh ginusto niyo yan eh!"

[camiar]

 

There you go parroting Duterte. Who said anything about military confrontation? All we are asking for is a formal protest not that silent crap that the DFA supposedly has been filing.

 

What good is a protest when its only our heads of state and China's that knows about it? The Filipino people dont know about it. The Chinese people dont know about it. Our allies dont know about it. The whole world doesnt know about it.

 

In the eyes of the world, we are silent and we agree to what China is doing to us. So if and when the time comes and we ask for the help of the international community, guess what they are going to say? "Eh ginusto niyo yan eh!"

I'm not parroting duterte. I've been saying the same thing even before Duterte became President.

 

My stand is this:

 

We take it silently. Meanwhile, we build up our strength, economically and militarily.

 

We will move when we are strong enough to face them on our own without the US, who is also using the same predicament we are in to keep us subservient to them.

 

Right now, no amount of noise and bravado will deter China from pursuing its plans.

[tk421]

"taking it silently": parang magnanakaw tayo sa sariling territoryo ang dating.

[jopoc]

I'm not parroting duterte. I've been saying the same thing even before Duterte became President.

 

My stand is this:

 

We take it silently. Meanwhile, we build up our strength, economically and militarily.

 

We will move when we are strong enough to face them on our own without the US, who is also using the same predicament we are in to keep us subservient to them.

 

Right now, no amount of noise and bravado will deter China from pursuing its plans.

 

 

by taking loans, with interest of course, from china and buying ammos from them.......

kailan kaya mangyayari yung we "are strong enough to face them on our own"?????

[camiar]

 

 

by taking loans, with interest of course, from china and buying ammos from them.......

kailan kaya mangyayari yung we "are strong enough to face them on our own"?????

Have you been following what Vietnam has been doing?

 

They are facing China on their own. Without ASEAN's help. Without USA's help.

 

But they have a credible military clout to back up their stand.

 

Darating din tayo dyan. It will come when you yourself has come to believe that we are strong enough to face them on our own. It's up to you.

[camiar]

 

Making friends with a person who takes advantage of you and letting it is the EPITOME of being STUPID

 

That's what the Filipinos have been doing with the Great Uncle Sam.

 

What does that make you?

[juan t]

 

That's what the Filipinos have been doing with the Great Uncle Sam.

 

What does that make you?

 

 

Curious as to why you have animosity towards the US. They have been our ally for decades. They have help us through many grants and donations. Whenever we have a calamity, they are one of the biggest contributors for aid. They provide assistance when we fight insurgency. They back us up with our claim in the West Philippine Sea. etc... Why the animosity?

[camiar]

 

 

Curious as to why you have animosity towards the US. They have been our ally for decades. They have help us through many grants and donations. Whenever we have a calamity, they are one of the biggest contributors for aid. They provide assistance when we fight insurgency. They back us up with our claim in the West Philippine Sea. etc... Why the animosity?

I have no animosity towards the US. Half of my family lives there as American citizens.

 

The more you know about the history of our relationship with the United Sates, the more you will understand.

 

Everything they gave us have a corresponding expected return to further their own interests.

 

Just as China expects to gain from all the help they give us.

 

I understand why the US do what they're doing. Just as I understand why China do what it does.

 

But what is more important is what we Filipinos should do independently of the two Super Powers.

 

Do we take sides and become pawns in their power conflicts?

 

Or do we put our own interest first?

Edited July 25, 2018 by camiar