South China/West Philippine Sea

[camiar]

But, Thank you China for loving us!

 

https://philippinesthesickmanofasia.blogspot.com/2019/06/thank-you-china-for-loving-us.html

Ngek! Si Sick Man of Asia, pinaniniwalaan mo?

 

Kaya pala ganyan ang line of reasoning mo. Nahahawa ka kay Sick Man.

Edited June 23, 2019 by camiar

[camiar]

Speak softly on issues concerning our defensive capabilities. But secretly build up and shore up our defense.

 

On the maritime issue that happened within our EEZ, Duterte should demand that China cooperate in the investigations. Ano ba mahirap maintindihan diyan?

China said they want to cooperate in the investigation.

 

Why would you still want Du30 to demand cooperation? Just to make noise and make some gung-ho pinoys feel better about their macho image?

[Booblehead]

China said they want to cooperate in the investigation.

 

Why would you still want Du30 to demand cooperation? Just to make noise and make some gung-ho pinoys feel better about their macho image?

Panelo just stated that the Chinese fishing vessel that rammed our fishermen were not obliged to help them.

 

Looks like your Dugong is cooperating.

 

https://philippinesthesickmanofasia.blogspot.com/2019/06/thank-you-china-for-loving-us.html

[Booblehead]

Here is the link:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6t5EWPAc3s

 

Panelo stated that Chinese fishing vessel not obliged to rescue the fishermen.

 

Wow.

[joshua_sx1]

Kung nabaligtad po ang pangyayari at yung mga Pilipino na fisherman ang nakabangga then tinakbuhan yung mga Chinese sa gitna ng dagat?

 

I'm against going drastic move by our government since the president is right, we don't have resources and capabilities to go war against China... but do we have with Canada? So, what's the difference between expressing our disappointment against China and Canada?

[camiar]

Kung nabaligtad po ang pangyayari at yung mga Pilipino na fisherman ang nakabangga then tinakbuhan yung mga Chinese sa gitna ng dagat?

 

I'm against going drastic move by our government since the president is right, we don't have resources and capabilities to go war against China... but do we have with Canada? So, what's the difference between expressing our disappointment against China and Canada?

 

 

I agree with you that if the situation were reversed and we were the one who did not give assistance, we would also bear the anger of the other side. Remember the Taiwanese fisherman who was shot and killed by Philippine Coastguard? It drew the ire of Taiwanese citizens. They sent Filipino OFWs back and banned employment of Filipinos to Taiwan.

 

I also agree with you that we should not do anything drastic while the incident is still under investigation.

 

There's no reason going to war for accidents like this.

 

The difference between this incident and Canada's is that the Chinese were involved in an accident while Canada's has been going on unresolved for years.

 

The Canadian issue has been festering for six years. It has been proven that it was Canada who illegally shipped trash , including hazardous hospital waste, to the Philippines.

 

The Canadian government failed to make ant restitution despite numerous follow up from the Philippine government. To make matters worse, Trudeau embarrassed the Philippine government when he refused to deliver the Combat Utility Helicopters we ordered from Bell Canada, because we might use it against Filipino rebels! WTF??!!

 

Du30's talk of war with Canada is just rhetoric just to make fun of the issue, as he himself admitted.

 

The Chinese ramming issue, on the other hand, has the potential of going really serious. You don't make hot headed comments in situations like this. Du30 or any president knows this.

[haroots2]

If only China apologizes in behalf on those involved in the incident and cover the damages (barya lang naman yun), wala na sanang naging ganitong isyu.

[heatseeker0714]

 

 

I agree with you that if the situation were reversed and we were the one who did not give assistance, we would also bear the anger of the other side. Remember the Taiwanese fisherman who was shot and killed by Philippine Coastguard? It drew the ire of Taiwanese citizens. They sent Filipino OFWs back and banned employment of Filipinos to Taiwan.

 

I also agree with you that we should not do anything drastic while the incident is still under investigation.

 

There's no reason going to war for accidents like this.

 

The difference between this incident and Canada's is that the Chinese were involved in an accident while Canada's has been going on unresolved for years.

 

The Canadian issue has been festering for six years. It has been proven that it was Canada who illegally shipped trash , including hazardous hospital waste, to the Philippines.

 

The Canadian government failed to make ant restitution despite numerous follow up from the Philippine government. To make matters worse, Trudeau embarrassed the Philippine government when he refused to deliver the Combat Utility Helicopters we ordered from Bell Canada, because we might use it against Filipino rebels! WTF??!!

 

Du30's talk of war with Canada is just rhetoric just to make fun of the issue, as he himself admitted.

 

The Chinese ramming issue, on the other hand, has the potential of going really serious. You don't make hot headed comments in situations like this. Du30 or any president knows this.

 

If i remember correctly, yes the Taiwanese were angry but they did not push through with the ban on Filipino workers. At the end of the day, Filipino workers have passable to above average english skills, diligent workers, napapaki-usapan and hindi war freaks.

 

Second, nobody's espousing for us to go to war with China over this. Bakit ba parating ganon ang thinking? porke naghabol tayo war agad? andaming pinakulong nila abnoy na chinese fishermen, nasentensyahan pa yung iba, nag war ba? hindi naman diba.

[tk421]

 

If i remember correctly, yes the Taiwanese were angry but they did not push through with the ban on Filipino workers.

 

Actually they did, somewhat. They actually stopped processing OFW processing in Manila. They were instead looking for workers from other SEA nations. But generally. the sentiment is that they still preferred Filipino workers precisely because of the reasons you stated.

 

In the end, though diplomacy really did succeed. Unfortunately the present admin's idea of diplomacy is always war or free sex.

[Soraoi_empire]

 

An analyst believes that the Recto Bank incident is an attempt to drive away Filipino Fishermen so China can set foot in the area. He also said that as Beijing exerts its "hand power" in the West Philippine Sea, Manila should then exhaust its "soft power".

More here.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes! I agree. Target naman talaga nila is Recto Bank.

So, iaallow din pala ni President yung mga Chinese foreign fishing vessels na mangisda sa EEZ natin..

[joshua_sx1]

There is a deeper reason why President Duterte shouldn't be soft with this he called 'small marine time incident'. This will definitely affect our future stand with these conflict areas. Duterte's administrator softening on this issue is like giving up our claims. And the next administration will be having a hard time claiming what seems we have already given up...

[Soraoi_empire]

Tama. Parang pinamigay na din nya yung mga claims natin. Kapag nasanay na nakatambay yung mga Coast Guard or Fishing vessels (Militia) ng China dyan mahirap ng paalisin.. Grabe halos nananalo na ang China sa pagcontrol ng mga sakop natin sa WPS.. Nung una yung Scarborough tpos Paligid ng Pag-asa Island, Ayungin at Ngyon naman Recto Bank. Lahat yan nacontrol or makokontrol na nila ng wala man lang kahirap hirap. Kung sa Vietnam yan or Indonesia for sure dadanak ang dugo.

Edited June 26, 2019 by Soraoi_empire

[heatseeker0714]

Tama. Parang pinamigay na din nya yung mga claims natin. Kapag nasanay na nakatambay yung mga Coast Guard or Fishing vessels (Militia) ng China dyan mahirap ng paalisin.. Grabe halos nananalo na ang China sa pagcontrol ng mga sakop natin sa WPS.. Nung una yung Scarborough tpos Paligid ng Pag-asa Island, Ayungin at Ngyon naman Recto Bank. Lahat yan nacontrol or makokontrol na nila ng wala man lang kahirap hirap. Kung sa Vietnam yan or Indonesia for sure dadanak ang dugo.

 

Tapos ide-dare nya US and other countries to help us.

 

Ang tanong lang naman eh ito...

 

"Are you worth helping? Sarili mo nga posisyon binebenta mo tapos hihingi ka samin ng tulong??? Tapos pag tinutulungan ka naman pilit mong minamaliit or kinakalimutan yung tulong???"

 

Wala daw naitulong US sa Marawi... SAKSAKAN NG DAMI DAPAT NAMATAY NA SUNDALONG PILIPINO kungdi dahil sa P3-C Orions ng US and Australia saka sa drones ng US... meron naman military grade drones AFP non that can fly for hours pero ang konti... Due to that conflict pinayaman ng AFP yung DJI dito sa Pilipinas... Mga Tropa natin mga naka DJI Mavic Pro kaso at best 30 minutes lang lipad non tapos charge ulit 1 1/2 hours. Sobrang laking tulong ng drones ng US saka P3-C Orions ng US and Australia, nagpasalamat ba sya ng lubos dun? Hindi naman diba? nagpasalamat lang ng pahapyaw na parang napilitan pa...

 

First time ko nadinig, don't ask how, tinaasan daw ng boses ni SND Lorenzana yang si Mayor Finger the Tulog na Longkatuts....

 

"Ayaw mo tanggapin tulong na drones and Orions ng US and Australia?!?!?! Gusto mo magkamatayan mga sundalo mo!?!?!?!?!"

 

Tameme yung aso ni Xi...

[LuciferMoaningStar]

good thread for a change.

[Soraoi_empire]

Tinawag pa na "Buang" ni President Duterte si Justice Carpio tsk tsk.. Si Senate president Tito Sotto agree din na pwede mangisda yung mga foreign vessels sa EEZ natin. yari na.. Iilan na lang yung mga matitino namumuno satin. Hawak ng administrasyon ang Congress at Senate kaya malakas loob nila eh.. Tapos ang AFP Tahimik lang..

 

Ang sakin, wala ko pakialam kung pwede or hindi pwede "iallow" ng isang presidente ang taga-ibang bansa para mangisda sa EEZ natin.. Ang tanong ko lang dyan bakit mo nga papayagan especially China pa? na sila mimso nambubully satin at imagine sobrang daming mangigisda ng mga yan pwede ma-outnumbered mga mangigisda natin.. Naninira pa sila ng mga Clams babagsak talaga yung karagatan natin dyan.. Sabi nga nung isang analyst, sobrang sira na kasi yung dagat malapit sa China at wala na sila mahuling isda dun dahil nga sa sobrang pagharvest ng mga clams na nakakasira sa mga corals.. Kaya dito na sila satin nakakaabot..

Edited June 27, 2019 by Soraoi_empire

[joshua_sx1]

Pinapayagan ng Pilipinas mangisda ang mga Chinese sa EEZ natin... tanong, papayagan din kaya tayo ng China na mangisda sa EEZ nila?... as a 'friend'?

[tk421]

Have you read Tito Sotto's defense for China's fishermen? The most absurd thing I've ever heard.

[camiar]

Pinapayagan ng Pilipinas mangisda ang mga Chinese sa EEZ natin... tanong, papayagan din kaya tayo ng China na mangisda sa EEZ nila?... as a 'friend'?

Can you post the exact statement saying that we allow the Chinese to fish in our EEZ?

 

Or are you just stating an opinion?

 

The UNCLOS has provisions allowing multiple claimants to fish in "Traditional Fishing Grounds"

[Soraoi_empire]

Can you post the exact statement saying that we allow the Chinese to fish in our EEZ?

 

Or are you just stating an opinion?

 

The UNCLOS has provisions allowing multiple claimants to fish in "Traditional Fishing Grounds"

 

Allow sila sa Panatag Shoal kasi traditional fishing ground yun. Pero dapat tayo ang may control sa area dahil pasok sa EEZ natin..

[darksoulriver]

 

Allow sila sa Panatag Shoal kasi traditional fishing ground yun. Pero dapat tayo ang may control sa area dahil pasok sa EEZ natin..

 

di lang nman Chinese ang nangingisda sa area... may ibang Country din na pumapasok..

 

saka malamang matagal na yan issue sa pangigisda ng ibang bansa

 

alam ng Malacanang ang punot dulo... hidden files ika nga hehehe

[haroots2]

If the boat that rammed our fishermen vessel in Recto Bank isn't from China it would not be this big of an issue. Of course there would be an initial outrage but sovereignty would not even be an issue if let say Thailanders or Vietnamese are the suspects.

There are a lot of fishermen across South East Asia that are violating borders, we are even thankful that those Vietnamese who saved those fishermen are in our EEZ kahit bawal din sila doon.

[Booblehead]

 

If i remember correctly, yes the Taiwanese were angry but they did not push through with the ban on Filipino workers. At the end of the day, Filipino workers have passable to above average english skills, diligent workers, napapaki-usapan and hindi war freaks.

 

Second, nobody's espousing for us to go to war with China over this. Bakit ba parating ganon ang thinking? porke naghabol tayo war agad? andaming pinakulong nila abnoy na chinese fishermen, nasentensyahan pa yung iba, nag war ba? hindi naman diba.

 

Yan ang laging sinasabi ng mga DDS pag usapang China eh usapang gera na rin. Hindi aabot sa gera yan kung manindigan tayo. Kung makapagsalita mga DDS akala mo kung sinong mga political analyst. LOL

 

https://philippinesthesickmanofasia.blogspot.com/2019/06/thank-you-china-for-loving-us.html

[djloe]

well sana maayos sa usapan ito bakit kasi agad agad iniisip ng mga tao war kung pede naman ng diplomasya.

[joshua_sx1]

Kung takot po tayo sa giyera dahil wala nga tayong kakayanan at resources,tama nga sa Pres. Duterte, manahimik at tanggapin na lang natin ang ating kapalaran. Pero bakit sa Canada, handang makipag-giyera si Duterte? Ano bang mayroon ang China at sunod-sunuran ang ating gobyerno sa kanila na wala ang Canada at madaling mag-declare ng giyera sa kanila?

 

Sa punto na wala tayong kakayanan, para na din nating sinabi na OK na lang na i-bully, itaboy tayo sa ating EEZ at diktahan tayo ng ibang bansa. Sabi nga Duterte, aanhin nga naman natin ang yamang dagat, kung wala namang mamayanang kakain (dahil naubos na giyera)? Pero, aanhin din naman natin ang magkaroon ng sariling kakilanlan at gobyerno, kung di din naman nating kayang ipagtanggol ang sarili natin?

 

Both ways are bad to us... but I guess, worst come to worst, dying of fighting our sovereignty is still a noble way to die... rather than being alive without our own sovereignty...

[camiar]

Kung takot po tayo sa giyera dahil wala nga tayong kakayanan at resources,tama nga sa Pres. Duterte, manahimik at tanggapin na lang natin ang ating kapalaran. Pero bakit sa Canada, handang makipag-giyera si Duterte? Ano bang mayroon ang China at sunod-sunuran ang ating gobyerno sa kanila na wala ang Canada at madaling mag-declare ng giyera sa kanila?

 

Sa punto na wala tayong kakayanan, para na din nating sinabi na OK na lang na i-bully, itaboy tayo sa ating EEZ at diktahan tayo ng ibang bansa. Sabi nga Duterte, aanhin nga naman natin ang yamang dagat, kung wala namang mamayanang kakain (dahil naubos na giyera)? Pero, aanhin din naman natin ang magkaroon ng sariling kakilanlan at gobyerno, kung di din naman nating kayang ipagtanggol ang sarili natin?

 

Both ways are bad to us... but I guess, worst come to worst, dying of fighting our sovereignty is still a noble way to die... rather than being alive without our own sovereignty...

 

Kung hindi natin kayang ipagtanggol ang sarili nating territory at sovereignty, anong dapat gawin natin?

 

Di ba dapat palakasin natin ang sarili? Para makayanan nating ipagtanggol ang sarili natin?

 

Hindi ba natin ito ginagawa sa kasalukuyan?

Edited July 1, 2019 by camiar