South China/West Philippine Sea

[Larry]

yup it's actually a great excuse to station ships in the philippines

[ProfilerX]

yup it's actually a great excuse to station ships in the philippines

 

 

Yes the americans already did bringing carriers and

combat ships,

For relief operations but in reality part also of

their much publicise pivot in asia.

[hit05]

Yes the americans already did bringing carriers and

combat ships,

For relief operations but in reality part also of

their much publicise pivot in asia.

 

And as soon as the US government were filling the huge gap of disaster response, the local commies are already voicing concern about making the US troops leave without caring to save the many dying and starving due to the calamity. Even media is hysterical about the reaction of Secretary Alcala who dismissed the government distribution activity due to the threat to life against the desperate. How can it be that media is busy asking for volunteers to assemble and repack relief goods but government who earlier announced the resumption of travel in the worst hit areas is declaring it is not safe to help anyone?

 

The US troops better prepare for attacks as if they are grocery goods from the ever growing lawless elements. There is a major NPA terrorist presence in the countrysides, thanks to DSWD funding and the tons of profits from illegal mining, logging and taxation activities.

[ProfilerX]

If somebody will do that they will be deterred by

the presence of two thousand

Plus troops of our afp. A possibility of attack ,

yes they will succeed ba no.

[maxiev]

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The british and the americans have already mobilise china wont dare to go that path.

yup it's actually a great excuse to station ships in the philippines

An unforeseen blessing many SEA nations will definitely welcome. Hope they remain there indefinitely.

Edited November 14, 2013 by maxiev

[ProfilerX]

China was chided for her meager aid first 150000 dollars suddenly it surge to

More than 76 million pesos.

Hehehehe

Hopefully they will behave well.

and not molest our territorial waters again.

Edited November 14, 2013 by ProfilerX

[Bugatti Veyron]

These AW109Es are part of the Naval Helicopter Acquisition Project (NHAP)of the PN to be tasked with SAR/Utility/Showing the Flag Ops... the PN ordered 3 with an option for 2 more... Notice the thingy wrapped in a gray plastic like cover below the Pilot/Co-pilot doors and the word Navy on either side, those are inflatable rafts, these birds on extreme cases can land and take of on calm water...

 

The PN has a separate acquisition program currently on going for ASW choppers, i'm not updated on the progress of that project though... The AW109Es were prioritized coz it will receive less flak from the NPA stooges in the lower house of congress funding wise...

 

These AW109Es will be stationed aboard the BRP Gregorio Del Pilar and BRP Ramon Alcaraz...

 

When it comes to the "Flying Jeepneys", well, that's the PAF, different service, different budget & different program... By the way, Active duty and retired servicemen and women refer to them as "Battle Taxis"...

I am addressing my question to heetseeker, the expert when it comes to military acquistions, politics within the military, and some current events relating to the deployment of air and water assets . Anyway my question revolves around the possibility of acquiring those US made Osprey which can fly like a plane but can land without the benefit of a runway, making it capable of landing in hard to reach barangays. The US is making use of this aircraft at this time to help in the distribution of goods, ferrying people to Cebu, etc. It is capable of bypassing all those debris filled roads thus getting the much needed food, water, bulding materials, shoes, medicines, doctors, army corp of engineers, etc. at the time these are needed most. Is having an aircraft such as the Osprey being considered at this time by the Philippine airforce?

[ProfilerX]

Bugatti why buy we could them for no cost or minimal cost, remember

They are winding down their afghan operations maybe we could get some of their surplus

Osprey.  Btw its just my opinion im not being know it all guy just an opinion. Sir

Edited November 15, 2013 by ProfilerX

[heatseeker0714]

I am addressing my question to heetseeker, the expert when it comes to military acquistions, politics within the military, and some current events relating to the deployment of air and water assets . Anyway my question revolves around the possibility of acquiring those US made Osprey which can fly like a plane but can land without the benefit of a runway, making it capable of landing in hard to reach barangays. The US is making use of this aircraft at this time to help in the distribution of goods, ferrying people to Cebu, etc. It is capable of bypassing all those debris filled roads thus getting the much needed food, water, bulding materials, shoes, medicines, doctors, army corp of engineers, etc. at the time these are needed most. Is having an aircraft such as the Osprey being considered at this time by the Philippine airforce?

 

Not an expert... Just well read and have the advantage of having several members of my family serving in the military and police from Private to 3 Star Rank...

 

Basically its too expensive... I think its around 65Mil USD per bird... Flight hour cost pa, my guesstimate's in the 5-10K USD per flight hour.... We simply don't have that kind of dough to spend on that platform... Siguro we can but i think the entire AFP will ground to a halt if we do...

 

Nope, not being considered at this time by the PAF...

Edited November 15, 2013 by heatseeker0714

[heatseeker0714]

Bugatti why buy we could them for no cost or minimal cost, remember

They are winding down their afghan operations maybe we could get some of their surplus

Osprey.  Btw its just my opinion im not being know it all guy just an opinion. Sir

 

No can do Sir... The US needs all the V22 Ospreys it can get its hands on, specially the Marines because the Ospreys are gonna replace the CH-46 Sea Knights the Leathernecks are currently using... Plus its a relatively new platform, i doubt that they'll put a couple in a surplus status... The first Osprey squadrons in USMC and USAF service just got activated i think 2002-2010...

 

The platform's so new that the US Defense Dept. this year ordered another 90+ units from Boeing...

 

then there's the issue of money... It's just too d@mn expensive.... It's a luxury we can't afford...

[ProfilerX]

Thanks for correcting my view and idea. Now I know what kind of

Machines they are  

Edited November 15, 2013 by ProfilerX

[Larry]

I am addressing my question to heetseeker, the expert when it comes to military acquistions, politics within the military, and some current events relating to the deployment of air and water assets . Anyway my question revolves around the possibility of acquiring those US made Osprey which can fly like a plane but can land without the benefit of a runway, making it capable of landing in hard to reach barangays. The US is making use of this aircraft at this time to help in the distribution of goods, ferrying people to Cebu, etc. It is capable of bypassing all those debris filled roads thus getting the much needed food, water, bulding materials, shoes, medicines, doctors, army corp of engineers, etc. at the time these are needed most. Is having an aircraft such as the Osprey being considered at this time by the Philippine airforce?

 

 

the bell v22 Osprey currently sells at $68M each. This is the cost for a brand new unit, no idea on what a second hand one costs. But given that this is a fairly "new" model aircraft (I think the osprey first flew in the 80s) second hand costs would be around 30 to 40M give or take. might be over the budget but maybe heatseeker can shed more light into that.

 

but considering the role you described, conventional helicopters would do just fine. The only real advantage the osprey has, is its range as compared to regular helos. it's part plane after all.

[heatseeker0714]

the bell v22 Osprey currently sells at $68M each. This is the cost for a brand new unit, no idea on what a second hand one costs. But given that this is a fairly "new" model aircraft (I think the osprey first flew in the 80s) second hand costs would be around 30 to 40M give or take. might be over the budget but maybe heatseeker can shed more light into that.

 

but considering the role you described, conventional helicopters would do just fine. The only real advantage the osprey has, is its range as compared to regular helos. it's part plane after all.

 

Range, speed and payload capacity... Yup, conventional helos would address our needs... if we were to have one (in our dreams) the Osprey would be perfect for 1 basic mission the AFP needs to address aside from the Humanitarian Response role... Supplying regularly our boys in the Kalayaan Group of Islands, specially the Marines aboard BRP Sierra Madre...

 

i think the ospreys that first flew in the 80s-90s were the prototypes... but the ones certified as mission capable by the US DOD and put into active service was mid 2000s na...

 

$68Mil! see, it's expensive nga... that's 2 FA/50s with initial logistics package na...

 

If and this is a big if, the AFP would want rotary wing birds with more payload, range and speed, the best we can hope for are the CH-46 Sea Knights Unlce Sam's Misguided Children would retire in the next couple of years...

 

Basically, the Sea Knight is a Baby Chinook... Half the payload, range and i think speed of the Chinook...

[oscartamaguchiblackface]

No can do Sir... The US needs all the V22 Ospreys it can get its hands on, specially the Marines because the Ospreys are gonna replace the CH-46 Sea Knights the Leathernecks are currently using... Plus its a relatively new platform, i doubt that they'll put a couple in a surplus status... The first Osprey squadrons in USMC and USAF service just got activated i think 2002-2010...

 

The platform's so new that the US Defense Dept. this year ordered another 90+ units from Boeing...

 

then there's the issue of money... It's just too d@mn expensive.... It's a luxury we can't afford...

90+ units! Wow America is really loaded....courtesy of treasury bills purchased by China. He he he. The irony of it all....

[hit05]

90+ units! Wow America is really loaded....courtesy of treasury bills purchased by China. He he he. The irony of it all....

China paid for the massive losses in the financial crash that left huge investment houses to fall or close down. In a way China's thirst to dominate the markets crashed the system since it forced the closure of many businesses and sent a lot of wage earners to join the ranks of the unemployed.

 

In both WW1 and WW2, it was special bonds that financed the military buildup to end the war. What I mean is the defense contractors cannot be financed by Chinese investments since they normally accept payment in special priority bonds too. Even Germany used secret war bonds to finance the military buildup in WW2.

 

Of course the crash of the government system that promised payment for that bond issue may also mean no payment upon maturity - making such securities worthless. Thus if China were to declare war against the US and aims for its downfall, the US will have no choice but to cancel its debt obligations or nullify any claims of China.

Edited November 16, 2013 by hit05