Lyoto Machida Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Retraction. VMack is currently playing in Dubai. Leon Rodgers would be the teams import, as per agent Sheryl Reyes. 3 point specialist, listed at 6'7". Played for the Memphis Grizzlies. I think Leon Rodgers will be an asset to GSM given his current credentials... Hopefully! http://www.spin.ph/sports/basketball/news/ginebra-gets-high-scoring-journeyman-as-import-for-pba-commissioners-cup http://contents.spin.ph/image/leon-rodgers-21414.jpg but still, GSM owners need to change their coach or coaching staff if they really want to recover from that embarrassing lost with SMC and Alaska last year. Quote Link to comment
RED2018 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Ato's head should be put into the chopping board...his head should roll! No doubt his way way far the capabilities of the elite coaches in the PBA Quote Link to comment
Orgen2 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Well, just replace Ato. That is the best move or adjustment this team needs. Management pls listen... listen.... Quote Link to comment
Richmond Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 No intensity whatsoever nung tinitirahan si Helterbrand ni Simon sa 3rd quarter ng game 7 naka focus yung camera sa kanya naka nganga ganun ba dapat reaction ng coash ? Quote Link to comment
shin26 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 lahat ng nababasa kung opinyon parehas lang din ng nraramdaman ko. kailangan talaga ng ginebra ng striktong coach. yung tipong susundin nila kung ano yung gusto mangyari ng coach. saka isipin mo halos lahat ng nakapaligid na coaching staffs nya mga latak. fingers cross pa rin next season. Quote Link to comment
Hanz_ohm Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 In terms of coaching, I'd put Jawo above Tim Cone, Chot Reyes and Yeng Guiao. My basis for this is the 1990 Asiad. The 1990 All-Star national team had barely two weeks to train, had to familiarize themselves with international rules as soon as possible and, I believe, had no warm-up games to familiarize themselves with the rules prior to the Asiad. In spite of these reasons, Jawo was able to pilot them to a silver medal finish. Tim Cone could only get a bronze in the 1998 Asiad and this was done with lots of practice and months of playing together. Yeng Guiao didn't even pilot the national team to a Top 3 Finish in the 2009 FIBA-Asia. Chot Reyes spent months letting Gilas jell together and playing tune-up games with national teams of other countries, not to mention the homecourt advantage to get a silver in the 2013 FIBA-Asia. Not to discredit these 3 coaches because they are brilliant coaches but the difficult circumstances that Jawo had to go through to get a silver makes him a cut above the 3 aforementioned coaches in my book. I would agree. Gilas enlisted the services of a 6'11" naturalized Filipino in Douthit. Jawo's tallest player was Realubit listed at 6'6" who just replaced a sick Jerry Codinera. At the same time Jawo chose role players in Rey Cuenco and Dante Gonzalgo over more talented players like Jolas, Alvarez, Victorino and Asaytono. Quote Link to comment
ray004 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Ronnie Nathanielsz @ronnathanielszAgustin was made to look like a rank amateur by Tim Cone who totally out-thought and out-coached him.If there's no change forget Ginebra. exactly my thoughts.. Quote Link to comment
Agent_mulder Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 (edited) Late na pero eto ang napuna ko noong game 7 (or for the wholes series for that matter): 1) Greg didn't get that much touches sa bola noong game 7 when he can power his way against reavis o pingris or anyone else; 2)hindi din nila bina box-out ang smc players hence talo sila sa rebounding dinadaan lang nila sa taas ng talon at height, buti pa sina Mamaril at JR Reyes talaga box out muna before rebound and those 2 also give them inside toughness; 3)ang sagwa ng spacing nila sa offense; 3) masyado matagal mag set ng play si Tenorio, puro dribble tapos kung kelan nasa last 6 or 5 seconds na lang ang natitira sa shot clock saka ipapasa o ititira ng pilit o alanganin and Tenorio also don't want to push it maski me chance s'ya to do so and take advantage sa 'di pa naka-set na defense ng smc at 4) si ato nakalimutan na ng tuluyan sina Ababou at Forrester. Management ought to replace Ato, kawawa ang Ginebra at petron, ginagawang Guinea pig ng management pagdating sa coaches, ang smc/pf (or whatever the f#&k their names is) minsan lang magpalit ng coach at talaga namang brilliant ang nakuha nilang coach in Tim Cone, pero ang Ginebra at petron grabe, parang naglalaro lang sila, imagine putting Ato at the helm after ng woeful coaching stint n'ya sa petron, now I read na 'yung assistant coach na kano ni Gee Abanilla na ang magiging coach ng petron, sana naman sa Ginebra ibalik na lang si Al Chua as a coach o kunin na nila si Jawo! Edited February 16, 2014 by Agent_mulder Quote Link to comment
junix Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Late na pero eto ang napuna ko noong game 7 (or for the wholes series for that matter): 1) Greg didn't get that much touches sa bola noong game 7 when he can power his way against reavis o pingris or anyone else; 2)hindi din nila bina box-out ang smc players hence talo sila sa rebounding dinadaan lang nila sa taas ng talon at height, buti pa sina Mamaril at JR Reyes talaga box out muna before rebound and those 2 also give them inside toughness; 3)ang sagwa ng spacing nila sa offense; 3) masyado matagal mag set ng play si Tenorio, puro dribble tapos kung kelan nasa last 6 or 5 seconds na lang ang natitira sa shot clock saka ipapasa o ititira ng pilit o alanganin and Tenorio also don't want to push it maski me chance s'ya to do so and take advantage sa 'di pa naka-set na defense ng smc at 4) si ato nakalimutan na ng tuluyan sina Ababou at Forrester. Management ought to replace Ato, kawawa ang Ginebra at petron, ginagawang Guinea pig ng management pagdating sa coaches, ang smc/pf (or whatever the f#&k their names is) minsan lang magpalit ng coach at talaga namang brilliant ang nakuha nilang coach in Tim Cone, pero ang Ginebra at petron grabe, parang naglalaro lang sila, imagine putting Ato at the helm after ng woeful coaching stint n'ya sa petron, now I read na 'yung assistant coach na kano ni Gee Abanilla na ang magiging coach ng petron, sana naman sa Ginebra ibalik na lang si Al Chua as a coach o kunin na nila si Jawo! tingin ko lang dyan chief baka akala ng ginebra and petron management, kaya na ng manpower yan tutal magagaling naman ang players. management should realize the fact that players merely carry out what the coach tells them. the coach is still and will always be the tactician. kaya dapat nang kumuha ng kapalit kay ato. si abanilla pinalitan na ng petron. isunod na si ato. Quote Link to comment
ray004 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 napalitan na si Abanilla??? wow Quote Link to comment
*kalel* Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 ato daw resigned... wala pang details 1 2 Quote Link to comment
ray004 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Fidel Mangonon III @thepbaologist Protected Tweets 6mNO TRUTH to social media rumor that Ato Agustin has resigned as Brgy Ginebra head coach, says team manager @alfrancischua. if Ato resigns he'll regain my respect. Quote Link to comment
junix Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Palagay ko di magre-resign yan. Biruin mo nga naman head coaching job ng ginebra (the most popular team in the land) ang pinag-uusapan dyan. Quote Link to comment
Viao_Win8 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 dissappointing ang gin kingsnakita na ang weakness nina aguilar at slaughter Quote Link to comment
ray004 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Palagay ko di magre-resign yan. Biruin mo nga naman head coaching job ng ginebra (the most popular team in the land) ang pinag-uusapan dyan. despite ng uproar and clamor ng fans, NEVER SAY DIE pa rin si Ato.. lol Quote Link to comment
Kazekage.Gaara Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Ang kinonfirm lang naman ni RSA, Ato will still coach Ginebra. He didn't specify that he'll be the head coach. Quote Link to comment
azraelmd Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Palit kayo ng palit kay ato....lets say nde pwede si jawo....sinong ipapalit nyo aber???? Alam nyo yun mga fans ng ginebra parang knicks fan yan eh...hirap iplease...kasi we want the best or if not kahit play the best every game...tingin nyo ba si chua will be a perfect fit??No offense sa mga fans ni jawo...i agree he is one hell of a motivator...but basing his coaching acumen with the likes of chot yeng and tim on the premise of their performances on the asiad games??? Cmon guys be realistic....to compare jawo when he took the silver during the asiad games and compare with chot when took the silver in FIBA Asia?? Malayo ata...Just look at the quality of teams during jawos asiad games...only china and korea lang ang malakas...compared to now...nandyan ang lebanon iran qatar korea and china..also taiwan and japan pa...and almost all of them now have a naturalized import...tapos matatangkad din ang lineup...lets just say chot did what jawo did during the 90 asiad games...Now back to Ginebra naman...compare ko sila with the magics during the shaq anfernee horace days...super strong and young...but natalo sa game 1 finals with the rockets and they didnt recovered from that hanggang matrade si shaq...hopefully sana nde mangyari sa ginebra yan...they have all the pieces na ngayon..less playing time nlang kina jayjyay and urbiztondo...bigay kina forrester and abbabou..Oh yeah ..regarding dun sa comment ng san mig fans(thanks)... Rebounding talaga...i know they want to run agad ...kaya hinahayaan nila kina japhet and slaughter yun rebounding...pero nakakarebound sina barroca and melton ...turuan talaga mgbox out si japhet ..laging dinadaan sa talon yun rebounding and defense...dapat nga kayang kaya nya si pingris mapa defense or offense nila... 1 Quote Link to comment
Number35 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I'm still happy with our team, it's been a while since I've been this excited to watch Ginebra, slowly maganda ang nagiging rebuilding nila(last year), releasing and signing important pieces. I know they would Gel eventually, hopefully soon. Yes, I also see Ginebra as Knicks and L.A. Quote Link to comment
photographer Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Ato denies resigning http://ph.sports.yahoo.com/news/ato-denies-resigning-153557214--nba.html Quote Link to comment
junix Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Ato denies resigning http://ph.sports.yahoo.com/news/ato-denies-resigning-153557214--nba.html wtf @!#...bingi talaga ang management!!! Quote Link to comment
azraelmd Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 1392625620[/url]' post='9153630']wtf @!#...bingi talaga ang management!!! Pre easy lang....Remember...iba ang "ato denies resigning" from "ato denies getting fired" Quote Link to comment
vkalbos Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) Just my two cents worth, Every time RoS playing I remember the glorious days of Gins style... No easy 2 points... Edited February 17, 2014 by vkalbos Quote Link to comment
ray004 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Just my two cents worth, Every time RoS playing I remember the glorious days of Gins style... No easy 2 points... i guess Global Port will be next with Jarencio now on board Quote Link to comment
junix Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I forgot to point out the fact that Gilas had a naturalized player while Sonny Jaworski didn't have that luxury. That would have been my 4th reason. Nasa tabi-tabi lang si Jaworski. Ibalik niyo na siya sa bench ng Ginebra. Hindi lang siguro sa forum na to ang clamor kay Jawo.Sayang lang ang talent ng Ginebra pag hindi binagayan ng mala alamat na coach. that silver medal finish with jawo's rag-tag team and without the benefit of sufficient praparation was a feat which i think will be hard to emulate. Quote Link to comment
jepoyskieLOVEbianca Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Palit kayo ng palit kay ato....lets say nde pwede si jawo....sinong ipapalit nyo aber???? Alam nyo yun mga fans ng ginebra parang knicks fan yan eh...hirap iplease...kasi we want the best or if not kahit play the best every game...tingin nyo ba si chua will be a perfect fit??No offense sa mga fans ni jawo...i agree he is one hell of a motivator...but basing his coaching acumen with the likes of chot yeng and tim on the premise of their performances on the asiad games??? Cmon guys be realistic....to compare jawo when he took the silver during the asiad games and compare with chot when took the silver in FIBA Asia?? Malayo ata...Just look at the quality of teams during jawos asiad games...only china and korea lang ang malakas...compared to now...nandyan ang lebanon iran qatar korea and china..also taiwan and japan pa...and almost all of them now have a naturalized import...tapos matatangkad din ang lineup...lets just say chot did what jawo did during the 90 asiad games...Now back to Ginebra naman...compare ko sila with the magics during the shaq anfernee horace days...super strong and young...but natalo sa game 1 finals with the rockets and they didnt recovered from that hanggang matrade si shaq...hopefully sana nde mangyari sa ginebra yan...they have all the pieces na ngayon..less playing time nlang kina jayjyay and urbiztondo...bigay kina forrester and abbabou..Oh yeah ..regarding dun sa comment ng san mig fans(thanks)... Rebounding talaga...i know they want to run agad ...kaya hinahayaan nila kina japhet and slaughter yun rebounding...pero nakakarebound sina barroca and melton ...turuan talaga mgbox out si japhet ..laging dinadaan sa talon yun rebounding and defense...dapat nga kayang kaya nya si pingris mapa defense or offense nila... sir, with all due respect sir... bago ka magsabi na para kaming knicks fans, pwede ba pag-aralan mo muna mabuti? maraming beses na nag-fail ang Ginebra... we actually loss to Alaska in 3 games nung championship... maraming beses nakakatanggap kami ng failures, pero nangyari ba yung ganito katinding "CALL" for a coach to bre replaced??? ngayon lang nangyari to na halos lahat was calling the attention of the management to replace the coach... hindi dahil sa hindi kami madaling i-please, kundi dahil yun ang tama, at yun ang OBVIOUS... oo nga wla kaming kasiguraduhan na magiging perfect fit si Chua, wala kaming assurance na magiging ok na din lahat pag si Jawo... pero at least we know na sinubukang magkaroon ng improvement... kung hindi man mag-improve then allow us to live and die with it... uulitin ko, AT LEAST nagkaroon ng CHANCE TO IMPROVE... kesa mag stay na coach si Ato at ganun lang ng ganun ang mangyayari... dun naman sa comparison ni Jawo sa ibang coach... kung titignan mo nagsabi naman yung nagpost na... "although magkaiba ng situation yung ngayon sa dati" nilinaw nya na ang basis lang nya eh yung naabot sa mga international games... tha was his own opinion so you don't have to correct him kung yun ang tingin nya... hindi naman nya idineklara sa buong mundo na 100% better si jawo... kasi sinabi lang nya opinion nya... 2 Quote Link to comment
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