junix Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 last night's game showcased the sloppiest defense i ever saw.. ewan... parang ayaw na nilang lumaban eh... nakakabadtrip panuorin si Coach Ato... obviously it was James Yap who was killing them, pero ang defense Zone pa din??? napaka-stupid naman na idea yan... walang adjustment... habang nanunuod ako pakiramdam ko hinihintay lang ni Coach Ato na mag-4th quarter saka sya mananalangin na maulit yung nagawa nila ng Game 6, Coach, hindi araw-araw pasko!! hindi ka pwedeng umasa na lang sa 2nd half come back palagi... nakakabadtrip kang mag-coach eh (to Ato)... all through out the series kung sino yung gumagawa sa Ginebra inilalabas mo... like yung muntik kayong matalo ng Game 4, mainit si Baracael nilabas mo... ang talino mo din eh... tapos nung mahabol saka mo ibabalik si Baracael, ano yan Makina??? hindi nababago yung galaw kahit magpahinga... eh ang makina nga pag nawala ang init kailangan ulit painitin eh... tapos kitang kita na kinakain ng buo ni Simon si Helterbrand, may ginawa ba si Ato na adjustment??? wala, magaling si Helterbrand, oo, pero nung bata pa sya nun... ngayon bumagal na sya, dahil sa injury and sa edad na din... hindi ba obvious yun Coach Ato??? wala ka man lang ginawa... tapos nung 4th quarter, nag pressure defense pa kayo KUNO, pero naglalakad lang naman yung depensa, ni hindi sinusubukan umagaw, sumasabay lang sa nagdadala ng bola, ano ang pressure D dun??? anak ng tinapay ka oh.. wala ka pa din ginawa... kung sa tingin mo players mo ang may problema sana inilabas mo... tapos last 3minutes ata nung lumobo na lamang, saka mo ipapasok si Baracael para sumubok maghabol??? sino yun si Michael Jordan??? obviously out-coached ka ni Tim Cone... bigyan kita ng perfect example ng talino ni Cone??? nakita mo ba nung mag-monsterous Slam dunk si Japeth??? ano ginawa ni Cone??? two-points lang ang score ng dunk, pero nag time out so coach Tim... that was to avoid allowing GInebra to build momentum through that dunk.. magaling ka nung player ka pa COach Ato... pero sa tingin ko hanggang dun na lang yun... please do us a favor, kung ayaw kang palitan ng management, magkusa ka na lang....very well said kaibigan. i just could not fathom how agustin failed to make the necessary adjustments in such a crucial game specially on defense. yap was hot...nothing was done. sinabayan lang ni caguioa. when simon waxed hot, walang nagawa si jj...wala pa din adjustment. sad to say, forrester, with his built and athleticism, would have been one guy who could have stopped yap or even simon. but that's water under the drain. hintay na lang tayo ng pagpalit ng coach...ayan eh kung makikinig ang management sa sigaw ng barangay...JA-WORS-KI...JA-WORS-KI...JA-WORS-KI!!! 2 Quote Link to comment
Richmond Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Mabuti na din at natalo Ginebra kagabi at least mamumulat ang management na hindi si Ato ang bagay na coach ng Ginebra. Quote Link to comment
photographer Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Ganito ang DEFENSE!!! DIKDIKAN !!! hindi parang nanonood lang sa TV 1 Quote Link to comment
bongbongman Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Dapat mag petition na tayo na alisin na yang si ato. Kailangan ng ginebra ay tunay na coach hindi yung feeling coach Quote Link to comment
shawnti210 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Sayang lang yung pinaghirapan ng Ginebra to earned 1st place in the standings...It's all about the coach's decision for the plays ng mga players...wala lang talaga silang magawa to break their formation ng coach....mas maganda parin sa Ginebra yung strict coach like Jaworski...mas may passion sa laro. Quote Link to comment
ray004 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 ilang beses na din na eliminate ang Ginebra ng do or die through the years. pero iba ang uproar ng fans ngayon! Quote Link to comment
junix Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Mabuti na din at natalo Ginebra kagabi at least mamumulat ang management na hindi si Ato ang bagay na coach ng Ginebra. sabagay may punto ka chief...and that is if management does open its eyes. abangan!!! Quote Link to comment
junix Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Ato can't just make in-game adjustments. Let's face it. Ato is not in the level of a Tim Cone, Chot Reyes, Yeng Guiao or Sonny Jaworski. Ato can make adjustments if he wants to. nobody is prohibiting him from making such. can't and doesn't know are two different terminologies. problem is, in the case of ato he just doesn't know how to adjust in crucial moments of a ballgame. typical example was the inbound play of baracael in game 1. di na nga umubra yung unang play inulit pa. alfrancis was already suggesting to change the play...well the rest is history. Quote Link to comment
Robo Cop Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Mabuti na din at natalo Ginebra kagabi at least mamumulat ang management na hindi si Ato ang bagay na coach ng Ginebra.Dapat mag petition na tayo na alisin na yang si ato. Kailangan ng ginebra ay tunay na coach hindi yung feeling coachSayang lang yung pinaghirapan ng Ginebra to earned 1st place in the standings...It's all about the coach's decision for the plays ng mga players...wala lang talaga silang magawa to break their formation ng coach....mas maganda parin sa Ginebra yung strict coach like Jaworski...mas may passion sa laro. +3, sana lang matanggal na yan si Ato! pati yung ibang coaching staff ng Ginebra na wala din naman silbi! Quote Link to comment
junix Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Wrong auxiliary verb. Al Chua is not yet in the level of Chot or Cone but I would rather have him than Ato. can we just imagine this present lineup of ginebra being handled by the living legend? this team will surely go places. Quote Link to comment
*kalel* Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 leon rodgers is one of the options as gsm's import Quote Link to comment
photographer Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Ah, bili na kayo dito, mura lang.................. Quote Link to comment
br1an_016 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Mag team manager na lang si Ato! Need na ng new blood sa coaching staff, try na ng iba. Pwede sana si Pido kung hindi kinuha ng global port or pwede nila try mag coach si sauler. Well, yun dream match up ni Gregzilla and the Kracken matutuloy na din! sa Boracay nga lang! Quote Link to comment
game_boy Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Die-hard San Mig Coffee Mixers here. To Gin Kings fans, thank you for a wonderful series. Syempre it feels better para sa isang katulad ko dahil nanalo ang team ko. Pero seriously, na-miss ko yung pukpukan, dikdikan, at matitinding banatan from Games 1-6. I'm not a hypocrite though - I'm happy na hindi close ang laban. Syempre baka nag-iba ang ihip ng hangin at ang resulta kung nakadikit kayo. I will be rooting for Ginebra against RoS kung tinalo nila ang SMCM. Thank God that won't be necessary. Here are things that I noticed while watching the games and why I agree with fans who are calling for Coach Ato's head: 1. No adjustments were made in the first quarter when Reavis was doing a lot of damage through back door plays.2. After the big lead in the first quarter was tied by the Gins, Tim Cone called a time out. The result was another 8-0 run by the Mixers. I was waiting for the buzzer to sound a ceasefire from Ginebra. Nothing. Then the lead went up to 10, then 12, then...3. The offense was very predictable. First, pick-and-roll. If it doesn't work, stuff the ball to the low post to Aguilar or Slaughter and then hope that they score. If that doesn't work, isolation. If that doesn't work, rinse and then repeat.4. James Yap was hot. Obvious naman di ba? Bakit walang adjustment sa defensive assignments? Just my two cents' worth. Goodluck to your team in the future. Sana next time sa Finals na tayo magkaharap ng Game #7. Much respect. well said. nice analysis no bias at all. more power! Quote Link to comment
junix Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 I'd go as far as saying that with this line-up with Jawo as coach, Ginebra will win the championship.In Game 1, Ato should have used the go-to last-second play of Jawo, which is the stock formation where four players are lined up at the free throw line. The purpose, of course, is that players could screen for each other and any one can receive the ball. exactly...the same formation that freed up rudy distrito for that historic shot that beat shell for the championship...ginebra coming back from a 1-3 deficit. yun ang diskarte ng magaling na coach. Quote Link to comment
Orgen2 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 We all know that its easy to say "JAWO should coach Ginebra" but there are many things to consider. Does JAWO really wants to coach the team? That we don't know, because if he's interested it will happen. There's a dispute between JAWO and the management when the management put Caidic as Asst coach of Ginebra. Which also bring to his resignation as a coach and player. I would very much favor JAWO than anybody else. IG not JAWO, just replace ATO with anybody that has a tactical skills and we will go places. Talent is already with Ginebra, strategy lacks. Quote Link to comment
Pnat8R Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 And during the 1990 asiad there was north korea also who has the tallest center at 7'7" but they were still no match with chito loyzaga.. it was a brilliant jawo tactics that save the philippine team with just weeks notice.. Quote Link to comment
Kazekage.Gaara Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Well, as a proverbial light at the end of a mothereffin' dark tunnel - management (Manager Al) is pushing for VMACK to be their import this conference. Since he's only measured at 6'8, he qualifies. Retraction. VMack is currently playing in Dubai. Leon Rodgers would be the teams import, as per agent Sheryl Reyes. 3 point specialist, listed at 6'7". Played for the Memphis Grizzlies. Quote Link to comment
junix Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 (edited) We all know that its easy to say "JAWO should coach Ginebra" but there are many things to consider. Does JAWO really wants to coach the team? That we don't know, because if he's interested it will happen. There's a dispute between JAWO and the management when the management put Caidic as Asst coach of Ginebra. Which also bring to his resignation as a coach and player. I would very much favor JAWO than anybody else. IG not JAWO, just replace ATO with anybody that has a tactical skills and we will go places. Talent is already with Ginebra, strategy lacks.well there was indeed a falling-out between jawo and management before...but that was years ago. these are true gentlemen. maybe the parties involved can just put that issue aside for the sake of the fans. besides, assuming that the big j still has a grudge against the ginebra management, he probably would not have showed up in game 6 and gave an inspirational talk to the players. we all know he loves ginebra...and we all know what happened after that...para silang nasaniban ng dugong jaworski. pido would've been a nice replacement for ato pero naunahan na tayo ng global port. Edited February 14, 2014 by junix Quote Link to comment
ray004 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 (edited) Big J and SMC's dispute is now water under the bridge. He already acknowledges SMC when he mentioned them during his number retirement ceremonies. SMC bigshots were present. nagpasaring pa sya na "andito lang ako sa tabi tabi" when asked about the possibility of coaching Ginebra once again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGIuj__2P-Mwatch the 18:40 Edited February 14, 2014 by ray004 Quote Link to comment
junix Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Big J and SMC's dispute is now water under the bridge. He already acknowledges SMC when he mentioned them during his number retirement ceremonies. SMC bigshots were present. nagpasaring pa sya na "andito lang ako sa tabi tabi" when asked about the possibility of coaching Ginebra once again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGIuj__2P-Mwatch the 18:40 Ayun naman pala eh. Ano pang hinihintay ng management? Kailangan pa ba ng signature campaign?...sinabi na ni big "j na nandyan lang siya sa tabi-tabi. pumasok na nga sa dugout. wala nang isip-isip pa. Quote Link to comment
*kalel* Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Right now, i believe it will be a welcome event if gsm decides to change its coach but i believe if they decide to stay with ato it might still be good for the team.... Chemistry and a new system will not be a problem... And the whole team might had gained wisdom and experience from the san mig series.... 1 2 Quote Link to comment
ray004 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Right now, i believe it will be a welcome event if gsm decides to change its coach but i believe if they decide to stay with ato it might still be good for the team.... Chemistry and a new system will not be a problem... And the whole team might had gained wisdom and experience from the san mig series.... i'm sorry ka-baranggay but i have to disagree. i believe chemistry will not be enough for the team. yes, you'll get chemistry but if Ato will always be out-coached by the likes of Cone, Guiao or even by Jarencio, wala din... I hope I could be proven wrong though Quote Link to comment
photographer Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Ayun naman pala eh. Ano pang hinihintay ng management? Kailangan pa ba ng signature campaign?...sinabi na ni big "j na nandyan lang siya sa tabi-tabi. pumasok na nga sa dugout. wala nang isip-isip pa. Namahalan, eh! Quote Link to comment
junix Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 i'm sorry ka-baranggay but i have to disagree. i believe chemistry will not be enough for the team. yes, you'll get chemistry but if Ato will always be out-coached by the likes of Cone, Guiao or even by Jarencio, wala din... I hope I could be proven wrong though very well said. for me the coach is the captain of the shop and if the coach does not know how to steer the ship specially in times of trouble it will sink. i was just wondering...if ato was coaching RoS last night, would the result be the same...a crisp and perfectly executed play? i just can't help but to compare that play of yeng to the inbound play drawn out by ato in game 1 of the semis. yeng only had 1.6 seconds...yung kay ato ang dami pang oras...ipapasa lang. Haaaay naku... Quote Link to comment
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