Suicidal Lovers

[iwalkalone]

You never read the "pa rin" part. What if the suicide note says ikaw ang dahilan.

 

 

so you mean makukunsyensya ka if she cuts her wrists, die and leave a suicide note saying you were the reason she comitted suicide.

 

ofcourse, any person would feel guilty if that happens...

 

 

 

your stand is:

Most of suiciders, they don't tell they gonna do it, they will just leave a suicide note and definitely dead right now.

So those who says he/she will commit suicide is just threatening for you to stay

 

so what you're saying is ignore those who says they'll commit suicide cus they won't actually do it..

and what about those who never talk of being suicidal..how will you know if they are? and can you do anything to help them?

or is there no way of helping them kase nga wala namang signs...o meron ba?

[iwalkalone]

since we are talking abt Suicidal Lovers who threatens to k*ll him/her self

and a number of people pipol here agrees :

Most of suiciders, they don't tell they gonna do it, they will just leave a suicide note and definitely dead right now.

So those who says he/she will commit suicide is just threatening for you to stay

 

on the contrary

 

here's some credible info :

 

What are some of the signs that someone might be suicidal?

There are many warning signs of suicidal feelings and intentions, and all should be taken

very seriously. However, the American Association of Suicidology identifies three warning signs

that indicate an acute risk of suicide:

 

1.Someone threatening to hurt or k*ll him/herself, or talking of wanting to hurt or k*ll

him/herself.

2.Someone looking for ways to k*ll him/herself by seeking access to firearms, available pills,

or other means.

3.Someone talking or writing about death, dying, or suicide, when these actions are out of the

ordinary for the person.

---A more subtle warning sign includes references to “unbearable” feelings. Expressions of

hopelessness should also be seen as red flags. Studies have found that hopelessness is a

strong predictor of suicide.

Suicide Warning Signs

-Talking about suicide

Any talk about suicide, dying, or self-harm. Includes statements such as “I wish I hadn't

been born,” “If I see you again...,” “I want out,” and “I'd be better off dead.”

 

-Preoccupation with death

Unusual focus on death, dying, or violence. Writing poems or stories about death.

 

-Rehearsing suicide

Hoarding pills. Hiding or seeking out weapons. Discussing specific suicide methods.

 

-No hope for the future

Bleak view of the future. Feeling helpless and hopeless. Feeling trapped (“There's no way

out”). Belief that things will never get better or change.

 

-Self–loathing, self-hatred

Expressing feelings of worthlessness, guilt, shame, and self-hatred. Feeling like a burden

(“Everyone would be better off without me”).

 

-Getting affairs in order

Making out a will. Giving away prized possessions. Making arrangements for family

members.

 

-Saying goodbye

Unusual or unexpected visits or calls to family and friends. Saying goodbye to people as if

they won't be seen again.

 

-Withdrawing from others

Withdrawing from friends and family. Increasing social isolation. Desire to be left alone.

 

-Dangerous or self-destructive behavior

Increased alcohol or drug use, reckless driving, unsafe sex. Taking unnecessary risks as if

they have a “death wish”.

 

-Dramatic mood swings

Sudden outbursts. Rapidly changing mood from emotional highs to lows.

 

-Change in appearance

Loss of interest in personal appearance (doesn't get dressed, neglects basic grooming).

 

-Sudden change in style of dress.

 

-Changes in routine

Changes in eating or sleeping habits. Change in activity level (decreasing participation in

school, work, and leisure activities).

 

-Personality changes

Sudden changes in personality, such as going from outgoing to withdrawn, polite to rude,

or well-behaved to rebellious.

 

-Sudden sense of calm

A sudden sense of calm and happiness after being extremely depressed can mean that the

individual has made a decision and plan to commit suicide.

 

so i guess it's not true afterall that real suicidals don't talk about it or show signs....cause they do.

Edited April 15, 2007 by iwalkalone

[singkit`]

 

so you mean makukunsyensya ka if she cuts her wrists, die and leave a suicide note saying you were the reason she comitted suicide.

 

ofcourse, any person would feel guilty if that happens...

your stand is:

Most of suiciders, they don't tell they gonna do it, they will just leave a suicide note and definitely dead right now.

So those who says he/she will commit suicide is just threatening for you to stay

 

so what you're saying is ignore those who says they'll commit suicide cus they won't actually do it..

and what about those who never talk of being suicidal..how will you know if they are? and can you do anything to help them?

or is there no way of helping them kase nga wala namang signs...o meron ba?

 

The statement said "most" not "all" and i never said ignore them. If you are being threatened it's all up to you if you ride with it or not. You can feel naman if she's serious or not. You can do a lot of thing here. Leave her but let someone take a look at her. Ask someone to talk and listen with her if you cannot do it yourself. (this means you were threatened and you feel she's serious). If you just leave her take note of the "kunsensiya" thing afterwards if she does it.

 

For those who is not saying they will do it, yun yung mga suiciders di ba. Patay na bago mo malaman. Pero siguro naman bawat tao may mga napagsasabihan ng problema, kung concern yung hingahan niya ng sama ng loob iko-comfort siya and will advice not to do it.

[iwalkalone]

For those who is not saying they will do it, yun yung mga suiciders di ba. Patay na bago mo malaman.

 

wrong. refer to my post above.

[singkit`]

A bale ito yung kapag iniwan mo magpapakamatay na lang ng walang sabi sabi. Tsk tsk... ano ba pwede itawag sa kanila, ikaw ano maitutulong mo sa mga ganito.

[iwalkalone]

A bale ito yung kapag iniwan mo magpapakamatay na lang ng walang sabi sabi. Tsk tsk... ano ba pwede itawag sa kanila, ikaw ano maitutulong mo sa mga ganito.

ang gulo mo naman, diba ikaw nagsabi nyan? na ang totoong magpapakamatay sila yung magpapakamatay na lang ng walang sabi sabi.

 

eto stand mo o:

 

For those who is not saying they will do it, yun yung mga suiciders.

 

Most of suiciders, they don't tell they gonna do it, they will just leave a suicide note and definitely dead right now.

So those who says he/she will commit suicide is just threatening for you to stay

 

 

i'm just trying to show you that you're wrong...cus there are actually obvious signs, and suicidals do talk about it,

---threatening though...just to make a partner stay

is a little questionable..unless it's not all talk.

[sweeteenia]

ang gulo mo naman, diba ikaw nagsabi nyan? na ang totoong magpapakamatay sila yung magpapakamatay na lang ng walang sabi sabi.

 

eto stand mo o:

 

For those who is not saying they will do it, yun yung mga suiciders.

 

Most of suiciders, they don't tell they gonna do it, they will just leave a suicide note and definitely dead right now.

So those who says he/she will commit suicide is just threatening for you to stay

i'm just trying to show you that you're wrong...cus there are actually obvious signs, and suicidals do talk about it,

---threatening though...just to make a partner stay

is a little questionable..unless it's not all talk.

I aggree with walkalone.. magaling ka! :cool: yes.. don't ignore the suicidal..it's an indirect cry for help.. Infact ,inside the suicidal mind is a skeptical and ambivalent thought..it's "the will to live and the "will to die" that's battling in the subconcious.. All you gotta do is ..to reinforce the "will to live" of that person.. How? by being with her, even just by sitting beside her..coz these make her special..thus increasing the self -esteem.. You must boost the self-e steem, give your support for that 'Will to live". :cool:

[singkit`]

If they are really decided to commit suicide they will just do it. They don't need someone to watch them take their own life (exceptions are bonnie and clyde like, they decided to do it together), unless they really want the other party to suffer thinking, "you are the one who forced me to do it (watch me do it. then suddenly crosses the street while a bus is coming)." (Which they don't know if taken effect because they're already dead)

 

If they talked about it, they want someone to stay with them, talk with them, boost that self steem and that will to live. Okay change the word "just threatening". Maybe we can replace it with delaying, warning, wants help, needs help (what else?).

[sweeteenia]

If they are really decided to commit suicide they will just do it. They don't need someone to watch them take their own life (exceptions are bonnie and clyde like, they decided to do it together), unless they really want the other party to suffer thinking, "you are the one who forced me to do it (watch me do it. then suddenly crosses the street while a bus is coming)." (Which they don't know if taken effect because they're already dead)

 

If they talked about it, they want someone to stay with them, talk with them, boost that self steem and that will to live. Okay change the word "just threatening". Maybe we can replace it with delaying, warning, wants help, needs help (what else?).

In research's statistics.. most suicidals do have indirect cry for help thing.. they will most likely let anyone know that they're going to commit suicide.. it's their subconcious's "will to live" that lead them to give hints and clues..Take note.. it could be worst if he/she had let someone knew that she's suicidal but the other person have coldly ignored the clues or her ..It could lower down more the suicidal's self-esteem to rock bottom... coz for her that means she deserves to die coz nobody ever cares for her anymore..She'd better off dead than being not special to anyone.

Edited April 15, 2007 by sweeteenia

[iwalkalone]

If they are really decided to commit suicide they will just do it. They don't need someone to watch them take their own life (exceptions are bonnie and clyde like, they decided to do it together), unless they really want the other party to suffer thinking, "you are the one who forced me to do it (watch me do it. then suddenly crosses the street while a bus is coming)." (Which they don't know if taken effect because they're already dead)

 

If they talked about it, they want someone to stay with them, talk with them, boost that self steem and that will to live. Okay change the word "just threatening". Maybe we can replace it with delaying, warning, wants help, needs help (what else?).

allright since arguing with you seems pointless and your grammar is giving me a terrible headache, i'll just post this again for you to better unerstand what the expert says about a suicidal person, or in this case a lover:

 

 

since we are talking abt Suicidal Lovers who threatens to k*ll him/her self

and a number of people pipol here agrees :

Most of suiciders, they don't tell they gonna do it, they will just leave a suicide note and definitely dead right now.

So those who says he/she will commit suicide is just threatening for you to stay

 

on the contrary

 

here's some credible info :

 

What are some of the signs that someone might be suicidal?

There are many warning signs of suicidal feelings and intentions, and all should be taken

very seriously. However, the American Association of Suicidology identifies three warning signs

that indicate an acute risk of suicide:

1.Someone threatening to hurt or k*ll him/herself, or talking of wanting to hurt or k*ll

him/herself.

2.Someone looking for ways to k*ll him/herself by seeking access to firearms, available pills,

or other means.

3.Someone talking or writing about death, dying, or suicide, when these actions are out of the

ordinary for the person.

---A more subtle warning sign includes references to “unbearable” feelings. Expressions of

hopelessness should also be seen as red flags. Studies have found that hopelessness is a

strong predictor of suicide.

 

 

Suicide Warning Signs

-Talking about suicide

Any talk about suicide, dying, or self-harm. Includes statements such as “I wish I hadn't

been born,” “If I see you again...,” “I want out,” and “I'd be better off dead.”

 

-Preoccupation with deathUnusual focus on death, dying, or violence. Writing poems or stories about death.

 

-Rehearsing suicide

Hoarding pills. Hiding or seeking out weapons. Discussing specific suicide methods.

 

-No hope for the future

Bleak view of the future. Feeling helpless and hopeless. Feeling trapped (“There's no way

out”). Belief that things will never get better or change.

 

-Self–loathing, self-hatred

Expressing feelings of worthlessness, guilt, shame, and self-hatred. Feeling like a burden

(“Everyone would be better off without me”).

 

-Getting affairs in order

Making out a will. Giving away prized possessions. Making arrangements for family

members.

 

-Saying goodbye

Unusual or unexpected visits or calls to family and friends. Saying goodbye to people as if

they won't be seen again.

 

-Withdrawing from others

Withdrawing from friends and family. Increasing social isolation. Desire to be left alone.

 

-Dangerous or self-destructive behaviorIncreased alcohol or drug use, reckless driving, unsafe sex. Taking unnecessary risks as if

they have a “death wish”.

 

-Dramatic mood swings

Sudden outbursts. Rapidly changing mood from emotional highs to lows.

 

-Change in appearance

Loss of interest in personal appearance (doesn't get dressed, neglects basic grooming).

 

-Sudden change in style of dress.

 

-Changes in routine

Changes in eating or sleeping habits. Change in activity level (decreasing participation in

school, work, and leisure activities).

 

-Personality changes

Sudden changes in personality, such as going from outgoing to withdrawn, polite to rude,

or well-behaved to rebellious.

 

-Sudden sense of calm

A sudden sense of calm and happiness after being extremely depressed can mean that the

individual has made a decision and plan to commit suicide.

 

so i guess it's not true afterall that real suicidals don't talk about it or show signs....cause they do.

[singkit`]

I am just pertaining on that instance that the suicidal is saying the line "if you'll leave, i'll commit suicide."

[sweeteenia]

I am just pertaining on that instance that the suicidal is saying the line "if you'll leave, i'll commit suicide."

assume that she will.. but don't make it obvious for her..coz she''l gonna use it as her way to manipulate..

Edited April 15, 2007 by sweeteenia

[iwalkalone]

In research's statistics.. most suicidals do have indirect cry for help thing.. they will most likely let anyone know that they're going to commit suicide.. it's their subconcious's "will to live" that lead them to give hints and clues..Take note.. it could be worst if he/she had let someone knew that she's suicidal but the other person have coldly ignored the clues or her ..It could lower down more the suicidal's self-esteem to rock bottom... coz for her that means she deserves to die coz nobody ever cares for her anymore..She'd better off dead than being not special to anyone.

 

correct :cool:

 

I am just pertaining on that instance that the suicidal is saying the line "if you'll leave, i'll commit suicide."

and again.your whole point is?

damn dis headache!

[singkit`]

Okay sige ganito na lang. wala pang nagpakamatay sa mga nagsabi sa akin na magpapakamatay sila. Then yung babae na naglaslas ng pulso ni ha ni ho walang sinabi sa akin.

 

Huwag mo masyado dibdibin para di sumakit ulo mo.

[iwalkalone]

Okay sige ganito na lang. wala pang nagpakamatay sa mga nagsabi sa akin na magpapakamatay sila. Then yung babae na naglaslas ng pulso ni ha ni ho walang sinabi sa akin.

 

Huwag mo masyado dibdibin para di sumakit ulo mo.

oh wow this what iv'e been waiting for you to reveal..i had a hunch you we're trying to express something based on your true to life experience. so i guess you are to die for huh? anyways, yung babae na naglaslas ng pulso na ni ha ni ho walang sinabi sa sayo... that's too bad, i would assume you just failed to notice the signs... or chose to ignore/dismiss them completely..that's why you felt guilty when she died, cus you know deep in you that there was/were times when you could have done something to prevent it from happening.

 

so in the future be a little bit more sensitive.