Olympus Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 To begin with where are you starting from? So, how can i build a model body? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Many guys use the gym as a socializing place, however, not everyone. I have to agree with you that many doctors say something is bad, yet they don't even look fit to begin with. I still believe that short, intense energy system work, namely interval training has been proven to help revv up your metabolism by up to 50% for the remainder of the day. Now who wouldn't want that right? hehehehehe... kinda weird statement here bud.. I bet you yer doctor friend can't beat any of these guys on the bench press... also, i have seen plenty "recreational" marathon runners who are a bit on the portly side... focusing on the workout is precisely what we are talking about.. a short, intense workout regiment is far more effective than the long drawn out heavy work out routines.. regarding on whats for your body, long drawn out cardio is bad for you too cause in can give you numerous knee problems... especially for big guys like me... I completely agree with you in regards to some gym folk who talk and chat instead of working out... they treat the gym like a social place and not as a place of actual work... but i guess the topic really here is how to build a model body. Bearing that in mind, I still have to agree that best method for this is to keep the work outs short and intense... keep the cardio at a short intense level as well but ideally have one to 2 cardio days where you can stretch yerself out...<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 HIIT url:http://www.youronlinefitness.com/Fitness_A...al_training.htm Tabata Article link: http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?art...04-046-training Quote Link to comment
crazykalbo Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 well, i can agre on interval training... even if the doctor did not suggest that to me. its my coach who told me about it.. my coach is a decathlete, part of the philippine team. Quote Link to comment
THUG Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 Many guys use the gym as a socializing place, however, not everyone. I have to agree with you that many doctors say something is bad, yet they don't even look fit to begin with. I still believe that short, intense energy system work, namely interval training has been proven to help revv up your metabolism by up to 50% for the remainder of the day. Now who wouldn't want that right?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> not fit? you don't even know how it is to run 10 kilometers??? all you know is run short and gasp in 5 minutes... and what about your comments that you look at the best in the sports to know how you look like in the end.. marathoners are thin so you will look thin.. does that mean when you play basketball you get taller?? hahaha fitness is all about endurance.. as i have said, these so called body builders like to look impressive in the gym that they dont want to be seen tired and gasping for air so they run fast and stop, lift heavy weights to look impressive.. wow.. yayabang talaga oo.. makes me wonder..that's a doctor already commenting about it.. a 43 minute 10k runner.. how fast can you run a 10k? more than 1 hour? that is not fit for me..are you a doctor to give advice? and advices that are entirely wrong at that.. Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 not fit? you don't even know how it is to run 10 kilometers??? all you know is run short and gasp in 5 minutes... and what about your comments that you look at the best in the sports to know how you look like in the end.. marathoners are thin so you will look thin.. does that mean when you play basketball you get taller?? hahaha fitness is all about endurance.. as i have said, these so called body builders like to look impressive in the gym that they dont want to be seen tired and gasping for air so they run fast and stop, lift heavy weights to look impressive.. wow.. yayabang talaga oo.. makes me wonder..that's a doctor already commenting about it.. a 43 minute 10k runner.. how fast can you run a 10k? more than 1 hour? that is not fit for me..are you a doctor to give advice? and advices that are entirely wrong at that..<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Fitness is relative. There are many fitnes factors. Aboslute strength, relative strength, explosiveness, endurance and flexibility. Judging a person qho can run 10k as fit is just like judging a bodybuilder. Yes, they cover one fitness aspect fully, what about the rest? Quote Link to comment
Equus Posted May 3, 2006 Share Posted May 3, 2006 not fit? you don't even know how it is to run 10 kilometers??? all you know is run short and gasp in 5 minutes... and what about your comments that you look at the best in the sports to know how you look like in the end.. marathoners are thin so you will look thin.. does that mean when you play basketball you get taller?? hahaha fitness is all about endurance.. as i have said, these so called body builders like to look impressive in the gym that they dont want to be seen tired and gasping for air so they run fast and stop, lift heavy weights to look impressive.. wow.. yayabang talaga oo.. makes me wonder..that's a doctor already commenting about it.. a 43 minute 10k runner.. how fast can you run a 10k? more than 1 hour? that is not fit for me..are you a doctor to give advice? and advices that are entirely wrong at that..<{POST_SNAPBACK}> i know how it is to run 10 kilometers... quite painful but manageable... tagal lang nga, nakakatamad... becomes more of a mind game for me.. and 43 minutes is fast.. thats one fit doctor you have there.. doctors however are NOT the Be All End All... neither am i, and most likely neither are you... which brings me to my other points... Fitness IS NOT all about endurance... Olympus did mark out that there are A LOT of factors that have to be considered before you are fit... if for you, endurance is the only marker for fitness then good for you. makes your life more simple.. does not mean that you're right and the rest of all of the kinesiologists, fitness trainers, strength trainers, olympians, power lifters, etc who have been doing this all their lives, trained and taught about fitness and are all wrong... marathoners and basketball players, good argument... you slightly got us there so i will have to concur... however, i still think that sprinters and people doing short 100 meter to 200 meter dash people look way cooler and more of a model body than them marathon runners... And contrary to what you believe, a true massive body builder who has invested s@%t load of time, effort and money to their body and has learned the trade properly will ALWAYS bring their body to its limit and will ALWAYS go beyond it hence the way they look, all pumped up, eyes glazing over, testosterone pumping, a mixture of pain and pleasure, a rush of endorphins through the body, gasping for air, looking sooo tired... THAT is the basis of all fitness training, to bring your body to its limit, surpass it for a minute or two so that it will adapt and become stronger or more "fit"... Yabang? malay mo, yung mga malalaking mga tao tumitingin sa mga nag cacardio at nag sasabi rin, how pare yabang nitong tumatakbo na ito oh... hehehehehehehhe... im pretty sure as well that if you show this forum to your doctor friend or have him talk to olympus or me, we will see eye to eye in a lot of things... we may differ and argue about some others but needless to say that I assure you that the posts here have been done in a responsible manner and have correct physiological basis... lambasting someone else without showing ample literature or proof or better scientific basis to yer statements is NOT very helpful to the rest of the people who read this thread... Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 Question lang bro'... I am lifting weights regularly, but I am not into body building. Exercise lang talaga... Are you saying that I am risking a heart attack in the future? Nakakapagpabagabag kasi eh... Konting linaw lang... Thanks! :goatee:<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Bodybuilding is another specialized aspect of weight training... If weight training is totally bad for your heart, I would have long been dead and so would have been many other guys who go to the gym. In fact, the pioneers of the iron game such as Earle Liederman, Charles Atlas, Eugen Sandow, Arthur Saxon and many others lived long, healthy lives Quote Link to comment
Equus Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 shadowfang, everything has to be done in moderation. True, I agree with thugs statement na its bad for your heart IF DONE INCORRECTLY AND IRRESPONSIBLY. The only real way to find out the proper workout regiment is through experience or have yerself trained... There are parameters na kelangan upto a certain amount of your heart rate, etc etc... but the gut feel way to do this is to properly listen to yer body. It will give you naman tell tale signs na sumosobra ka na... mga tipong pag dumudugo na tenga at ilong mo, ummm... well... medyo intense ka na diyan chong... hehehehehhe... but kidding aside, overtraining is bad... Although you shouldn't worry too much about that i think.. basta pakinggan mo lang katawan mo... Quote Link to comment
Pepeng Manas Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 Question lang bro'... I am lifting weights regularly, but I am not into body building. Exercise lang talaga... Are you saying that I am risking a heart attack in the future? Nakakapagpabagabag kasi eh... Konting linaw lang... Thanks! i suggest you incorporate cardio exercises with your weighlifting. lifting weights make you stronger by exercising those muscles. cardio exercises ....errr... exercise your heart. IMHO. BTW, question din:meron ba kayong alam na site na nakalagay kung ilang calories ang mga filipino foods, like balot, bagoong, rice, pugo, etc.? kasi kadalasan sa mga nakikita kong site nakalista lang fish, bread, eggs, bacon, burger, etc. Quote Link to comment
THUG Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 Question lang bro'... I am lifting weights regularly, but I am not into body building. Exercise lang talaga... Are you saying that I am risking a heart attack in the future? Nakakapagpabagabag kasi eh... Konting linaw lang... Thanks! :goatee:<{POST_SNAPBACK}> no, but your chances of developing heart problems will be higher, not because you are fit means you will have a hearty heart.. that is why gradual cardio with warmup and cooldown is ALWAYS told you by doctors and fitness trainers.. weight lifting creates too much stress on the heart.. sinisira mo daw puso mo sa weight lifting.. stop tapos buhat ng mabigat.. tapos pahinga uli..yan ang sabi ng cardiologist na fitness buddy ko.. kaya nga most of the tips i read from this forum which says run fast in short period of time and lift heavy weights is VERY WRONG! Quote Link to comment
THUG Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 well, i can agre on interval training... even if the doctor did not suggest that to me. its my coach who told me about it.. my coach is a decathlete, part of the philippine team.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> but are you a decathlete and part of the Philippine team? yan na sinasabi ko e.. before you try to put up the impressive workouts you start with getting fit muna.. you can't even run 1 hour without stopping mag i interval training ka na? tatakbo ka na ng mabilis e di ka nga makatakbo ng 1 hour na di humihinto? im a competitive endurance athlete and 42 kilometer runner, but i seldom do interval training.. kayo pa kaya? get fit muna before you try to look impressive in your workouts.. Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 no, but your chances of developing heart problems will be higher, not because you are fit means you will have a hearty heart.. that is why gradual cardio with warmup and cooldown is ALWAYS told you by doctors and fitness trainers.. weight lifting creates too much stress on the heart.. sinisira mo daw puso mo sa weight lifting.. stop tapos buhat ng mabigat.. tapos pahinga uli..yan ang sabi ng cardiologist na fitness buddy ko.. kaya nga most of the tips i read from this forum which says run fast in short period of time and lift heavy weights is VERY WRONG!<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Apparently, you haven't done your homework.... Yes, one must elevate heart rate and cool down priort to and after exercise... After any level of intensity, regarding short and intense or slow and long, warming up and cooling down is mandatory.. Again, please get your facts straight before making any judgement... I have been training people for years and have done my fair share of research so I know what I'm doing Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 I'm in my early twenties, so it's highly unlikely that I'll have a heart attack... However, my concern is when I reach the age of 45 to 60. I believe this is the range when a heart attack is very risky for males.(That is why I am very picky with the foods I eat.) Does lifting weights add to the risk of having a heart attack at the above mentioned age bracket?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Provided you live a pretty decently active lifestyle and have a deecently clean diet, no.. We have a 71 year od man lifting weights i our gym, oh yeah he recently won the bench press open by the way. Quote Link to comment
THUG Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 i know how it is to run 10 kilometers... quite painful but manageable... tagal lang nga, nakakatamad... becomes more of a mind game for me.. and 43 minutes is fast.. thats one fit doctor you have there.. doctors however are NOT the Be All End All... neither am i, and most likely neither are you... which brings me to my other points... Fitness IS NOT all about endurance... Olympus did mark out that there are A LOT of factors that have to be considered before you are fit... if for you, endurance is the only marker for fitness then good for you. makes your life more simple.. does not mean that you're right and the rest of all of the kinesiologists, fitness trainers, strength trainers, olympians, power lifters, etc who have been doing this all their lives, trained and taught about fitness and are all wrong... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> see, you are implying very wrong statements again.. you said 10 kilometers is painful, and more of a mind game for you? well 10 kilometer run for me is fun.. its my daily run actually.. now that tells why people like you keep on trying to convince people here to run fast in short period of time because you basically cant run comfortable for 10 kilometers.. hahaha.. makes sense isn't it? as for the 2nd argument.. fitness is not about endurance? what is? what does your PE teacher and instructor make you do to check your fitness level? do they make you lift that 20 lb of rock on top of you head? or do they make you run? arguments like yours is out of the context.. you are trying to hide your bad fitness level by making wrong advices on this thread. :thumbsdownsmiley: Quote Link to comment
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