Eclipseguy Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 im with andrean48... started doing cardio a year ago. my abs was 34-35in then. now, i have a 30-inch ab (not a lot of loss for a span of 1 year, but i also am not serious about dieting). as i've posted a couple of pages ago, i do not lift weights seriously. wala ako program na sinusunod, i even rarely do ab exercises. nagcoconcentrate lang ako sa 1-hour treadmill. last year, i weighted around 148-150 lbs. now, im a lean 125-128-pounder. but dont get me wrong, guys... particularly sir olympus and sir equus. i am not saying you are wrong. what you say also makes a lot of sense. of course, bigger muscles means more energy (or calories) used to feed those hungry muscles. therefore, more efficient fat burning. and... i am not in a position to tell you guys you are wrong because you also have proven what you are saying, right? all i am saying is that long, less intense cardio worked for me.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> What will you do when your metabolism slows down further...like when you are in your late 20's and beyond? Also, do you really enjoy hanging out on the treadmill for an hour and can you sustain that activity (without nagging injury) for life? I know I can't :sick: Quote Link to comment
Pepeng Manas Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 (edited) What will you do when your metabolism slows down further...like when you are in your late 20's and beyond? Also, do you really enjoy hanging out on the treadmill for an hour and can you sustain that activity (without nagging injury) for life? I know I can't well, actually, i am in my late 20's... 29 to be exact. i noticed that my metabolism is actually slowing down, that's why i started exercising in a gym last year ago. i also haven't encountered nagging injury (but, considering the short span of working out... ). i admit doing treadmill for 1 hour is boring. i also admit that someday i might stop doing treadmill... and so as weightlifting. i dont know when will that time come, but, as of now, i am happy with the results. i can also see myself running...or jogging at the park when im in my 50s and up... but i cant see myself still lifting weights and running on treadmill in a gym when im 50 above. peace dude Edited June 30, 2006 by Pepeng Manas Quote Link to comment
Eclipseguy Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 well, actually, i am in my late 20's... 29 to be exact. i noticed that my metabolism is actually slowing down, that's why i started exercising in a gym last year ago. i also haven't encountered nagging injury (but, considering the short span of working out... ). i admit doing treadmill for 1 hour is boring. i also admit that someday i might stop doing treadmill... and so as weightlifting. i dont know when will that time come, but, as of now, i am happy with the results. i can also see myself running...or jogging at the park when im in my 50s and up... but i cant see myself still lifting weights and running on treadmill in a gym when im 50 above. peace dude <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Really? Lifting weights in your 50's and beyond will keep you young. I've already predicted my death...it will be at 92 years of age....in a water-skiing accident Seriously though, going to the gym, while is partially about vanity, i.e. a "model body", we shouldn't forget the ultimate purpose of a fitness lifestyle. A few of my members have reminded me of this....such as people who were only in their 30's with severe back pain asking for their "life back". What this means is that they got basically obese and gained the chronic severe back pains that came with sedentary obesity. I got them doing pin-pull deadlifts and good mornings, and within a few weeks, their back pain went away to the point where they no longer needed their chiropractors. To paraphrase an old Ponds commercial, I don't intend to grow old gracefully (and helplessly/pathetically). I intend to fight it every step of the way, meaning all out slash and burn warfare. :pirate: :ph34r: If you expect to continue jogging in the park when you're 50 and above, you'll need a balanced fitness plan, and that includes strength training. Quote Link to comment
Equus Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 actually pepeng manas, i know people who have done what you have done... great results... but muscle catabolism was very evident... The other methods prescribed here is not THE ONLY WAY to do it but think of it as probably a more efficient way of experiencing fatloss... Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 im with andrean48... started doing cardio a year ago. my abs was 34-35in then. now, i have a 30-inch ab (not a lot of loss for a span of 1 year, but i also am not serious about dieting). as i've posted a couple of pages ago, i do not lift weights seriously. wala ako program na sinusunod, i even rarely do ab exercises. nagcoconcentrate lang ako sa 1-hour treadmill. last year, i weighted around 148-150 lbs. now, im a lean 125-128-pounder. but dont get me wrong, guys... particularly sir olympus and sir equus. i am not saying you are wrong. what you say also makes a lot of sense. of course, bigger muscles means more energy (or calories) used to feed those hungry muscles. therefore, more efficient fat burning. and... i am not in a position to tell you guys you are wrong because you also have proven what you are saying, right? all i am saying is that long, less intense cardio worked for me.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> 125-128 and at what height? I assume you work out because you want to look good right? Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 I see myself lifting weights well into my older years and perhaps breaking a few records in the masters 3 division in powerlifting and managing to actively do my martial arts. Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 Andrean, I won't get into a debate with you but I assume the reason you "think" you are better off with long and slow cardio is because you might not be lifting heavy enough to create a harmonious effect that will speed up your metabolism. And bottom line, you have your diet in check. What I'm trying to point out is that I'm trying to explain to you you DON'T NEED to stay long in the treadmill and wate an hour there. Human nature being put in this play, we all want to find a more effective way that cuts time in half. try doing 400m sprints for 3 rounds and tell me if that doesn't shed off your fat like a snake does his skin. I that doesn't work that would only mean you are definitely a genetic anomaly (read: having a different stimulus requirement) Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 actually pepeng manas, i know people who have done what you have done... great results... but muscle catabolism was very evident... The other methods prescribed here is not THE ONLY WAY to do it but think of it as probably a more efficient way of experiencing fatloss...<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thats the point we've been trying to get through forever If most guys remember our sciene lab experiement where we'll burn a piee of bread, meat and tokwa and se how fast they burn, the tokwa would burn after 15 minutes (read: protein catabolism can start after 15 minutes of energy system work) many people forget this simple experiment that most of us had in high school and can't apply it to a real life situation) Quote Link to comment
JesusFreak! Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 1. The squat is the cornerstone of any good strength traiing program2. You will build a good foundation of strength which will set you in the right path in order to make your goals attainable. As of yesterday, 30 guys in our gym deadlifted 315, 5 guys squatted 315 and 2 guys benched 225 using this program as a foundatinal routine3. Yes it will be good for you4. It depends. Some may do it for a minimum of 8 weeks while others go up to 16 weeks<{POST_SNAPBACK}> God! Is this possible for a beginner? I can only bench as much as 100lbs! I'm really getting interested with this. Quote Link to comment
JesusFreak! Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 Why does one need to do long cardio i oder to get cut? I don't see the point.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yup, sir olympus is right... i only do 15 minutes on the treadmill and gets satisfactory results.. my instructor there sa gym told me to cardio for 45 minutes... im glad i didn't follow her... or else .. sira ang sapatos ko sa kakatakbo... sir olympus, ang sakit ng paa ko sa kaka HIIT, sagad yata hanggang buto so i stopped doing it for the meantime... is it normal to experience this? Quote Link to comment
JesusFreak! Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 Telecom kami eh..<{POST_SNAPBACK}> O/T... We (ECEs) are supposed to be in telecom insdustry pero ang hirap makapasok sa smart or globe kahit s sun dito sa Pinas... look where i end up now? sa IT. It is the in-thing nowadays Quote Link to comment
Pepeng Manas Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 Really? Lifting weights in your 50's and beyond will keep you youngi cant imagine myself still lifting weights in my 50's or 60's because it's like a 50-, 60-year-old-dude going to a blink 182 concert...hehehe! seriously, i can imagine myself lifting weights inside my home, but not in a gym anymore. actually pepeng manas, i know people who have done what you have done... great results... but muscle catabolism was very evident... The other methods prescribed here is not THE ONLY WAY to do it but think of it as probably a more efficient way of experiencing fatloss...I agree with you. what i did is not the only way to lose fat. there are other ways to do it. 125-128 and at what height? I assume you work out because you want to look good right?125-128 lbs at 5'4". and yes, i work out because i want to look good. i dont really want to bulk up because of my height. i have seen people with my height and big muscles. personally, i dont like how they look (but that's just me). and because i dont like how they look, of course, i dont want my body to be like that. for my height, i like my body to be like that of Pacman's. Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 i cant imagine myself still lifting weights in my 50's or 60's because it's like a 50-, 60-year-old-dude going to a blink 182 concert...hehehe! seriously, i can imagine myself lifting weights inside my home, but not in a gym anymore. I agree with you. what i did is not the only way to lose fat. there are other ways to do it.125-128 lbs at 5'4". and yes, i work out because i want to look good. i dont really want to bulk up because of my height. i have seen people with my height and big muscles. personally, i dont like how they look (but that's just me). and because i dont like how they look, of course, i dont want my body to be like that. for my height, i like my body to be like that of Pacman's. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> at 5'4 and roughly 140 you'll look solid Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 God! Is this possible for a beginner? I can only bench as much as 100lbs! I'm really getting interested with this.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> My friend of little faith. have you peeked in the dungeon when you visited last wednesday? did you see how much some of the guys were lifting? Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 Yup, sir olympus is right... i only do 15 minutes on the treadmill and gets satisfactory results.. my instructor there sa gym told me to cardio for 45 minutes... im glad i didn't follow her... or else .. sira ang sapatos ko sa kakatakbo... sir olympus, ang sakit ng paa ko sa kaka HIIT, sagad yata hanggang buto so i stopped doing it for the meantime... is it normal to experience this?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> maybe its time you did some tabata squats every other workout apart from HIIT to give your ankles and knees a break from all the running Quote Link to comment
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