His Airness Michael Jordan

[kanto-terrorist]

^^^very well said airmax....galeng.... the post that could put everything in order...

[Guest airmax]

^^^very well said airmax....galeng.... the post that could put everything in order...

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tnx pare. hehehe.

[swit_pooshit]

Nice comments on that Airmax, hahahaha, even though am a big Kobe, Lamar and the Lakers fan, I can respecfully say that Michael Jordan is the best ever and the greatest to play the Game....Period. :thumbsupsmiley:

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Michael Jordan did what no one can do.. to revolutionize basketball. This made him to be the greatest basketball player in the eyes of a lot of people. There would be detractors of Michael Jordan (hindi maalis yan).. they can say marketing, media made the man.. But no one can really deny the impact he had.. without his skills, and electrifying finsihes and moves then marketing won't be able to do anything.. Sino ang nag-revolutionize ng Basketball.. si Mikan, Cousy, Wilt, Russel, Kareem, West, Bird, Magic, Duncan,Kobe, Shaq,LBJ? Aw Cmon, my mom knows who MJ is.. and he does not know any basketball player anymore.. This is revolution.. and a world wide phenomenon..

 

Kung meron man mas talented kay Jordan (in the past or in the future).. wala pa din yan.. dahil he made basketball known worldwide.. and no one can take that away from him.. This is MJ's legacy.. Even his return with the Wizards and his failure with that team did not diminish his stature, his aura and his legacy.. because his legacy will always live on with the hearts of many.. To his detractors: like it or not, he is the greatest in the eyes of many.. and he paved the way for the future of the NBA and basketball per se.. Nuff said.. :boo:

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well kahit pasahan naman nya ung mga kakampi nya noon wala rin.

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Totoo ito.. Ganito kasi ..

 

Sabi nga ni airmax: When he entered the league, wala talaga siyang pwedeng pasahan ng bola.. when Jim Paxson came.. wala pa din, nung dumating si Grant and Pippen hindi pa din consistent ang opensa nila dahil hindi consistent off threat si Horace and Pip.. Jordan was the only player who was consistent.. so he tried his darn best to shoot the ball even when the defense collapses on him..

 

He was actually ridiculed that he was a one-dimensional player.. puros opensa.. so he showed the world na meron siyang defense.. and was selected as the NBA's def. player one time.. then the assists.. na dapat pumasa naman siya para manalo sila.. Eh ang comment niya, kapag pinasa naman ang bola and then open ang kakampi niya minsan bibigay ulit sa kaniya para siya ang mag-create.. so he ended up shooting the ball.. This has happened mostly in the crucial seconds of a game.. or when the Bulls desperately needed to score..

 

Pippen, Grant, Cartwright, BJ, etc. often said that MJ sometimes would carry them so much at wala na silang chance to get hot in a game.. So because this was often the problem his team mates presented him through the media.. he passed the ball.. and often they would still falter but in time his team mates became consistent enought to earn his trust.. PhilJax wanted him to pass the ball and not take over games.. he did just that but only when he believed in his team mates..

 

The funny thing is, kahit nung (sabihin na natin) na hindi siya pumapasa.. naca-carry pa rin niya ang Bulls sa playoffs kahit arguably "one man show" ang Chicago.. Ito ang nakita ng mga fans ni Jordan na hindi makukumpara sa kahit kaninong player.. yung guts, determination and yung focus to win a ballgame was insurmountible most of the time..

 

Magtaka ka.. even the mighty Detroit Pistons.. who were known for their workman defense.. made the term "Jordan Rules.." Na walang ibig sabihin kundi patayin si Jordan sa physical play.. make the other Bulls score except him.. limit his touches.. frustrate him by fouling him hard.. But he fought back.. The Knicks did this as well.. Wala akong nakita na gagawa ang iang buong team na defensive rule that would try to stop just one player.. Grabe yun..

 

Injuries never stopped him from playing.. except that sophomore season.. His heart always ate his pain.. (read my previous posts).. as he can heal himself through sheer will and determination.. Ito ang isa pang matindi sa kaniya.. And when he left for the first time.. the Bulls weren't the same.. Pip, BJ, Grant were all scoring but the intensity and the passion was lacking.. and the Bulls never reached that level with MJ at the helm..

 

When we talk about Basketball intelligence.. Jordan had that.. he knew that he had to defend, shoot well --- coz he did not have these traits but he developed them.. He knew that he can not do it alone.. but who would help him? When Scottie came.. nobody knew that he would be the player that he is.. When Jordan developed confidence sa team mates niya.. dun siya pumasa at nagtiwala.. at dun sila nagpapanalo ng mga championships.. But ang nakakapagtaka, kahit ilang beses pa natin pagtalunan Jordan always had the ball in the dying seconds of a crucial play in the last ticks of a game.. He either creates for his team, or he creates for himself to score.. Everybody, even the audience knew he would have the ball.. but no one was able to stop him.. Why? Because he was MJ.. Its that simple.. Nuff said.. :boo:

 

I do believe that there are fans who are passionate kay Jordan.. people flock to see him.. yung restaurant lang niya sa Chicago.. dinadagsa ng mga tao just to see his memorabilia.. or to get the chance to see him in person.. I am a fan of Duncan.. but I am passionate with regards to the man who made basketball a phenomenon.. I respect MJ and when people diss him.. I react.. Hindi naman ako magpo-post ng ganito kahaba kung hindi ako passionate kay Jordan.. Si airmax nga ang haba din ng post eh.. di passionate din siya kay Jordan.. so marami kami passionate kay Jordan kahit na yung iba sa amin eh iba ang fave player.. coz Jordan will always live in the hearts of many.. Kumbaga eh sa akin.. Duncan is #1 kaso #2 si Jordan.. kaya ganun ako ka-passionate sa kaniya.. Nuff said.. :boo:

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in fact as what edc said hindi raw physical noong panahon naglalaro si jordan. e nung time na un there was this thing called the jordan rules. he was blugeoned by the Detroit Pistons. In fact in one game. He lost his cool and punched Bill Laimbeer in the face. But they were able to overcome that in 1991 they dethroned the Pistons. They swept them in their series.

 

i supported the bulls during their run. particularly after magic johnson retired. pero most of the time sya pa rin talaga ang nagdadala sa bulls throughout their 6 championships.

[edc]

as for bird wala nga si mchale and parrish pero nandoon naman si dave cowens and nate archibald and host of talented players playing for the celtics. kung wala ung dalawang un hirap din siya na dalhin ang celtics.  you cant blame jordan to take a lot of shots nung nagsisimula sya e wala syang kakamping pedeng sumoporta sa kanya pero nagchampion naman sila and thats what counts. later on na realized din naman nya un. he corrected his weakness kaya nga nagchampion sila ng anim na beses. as for bird after winning their last championship in 1986. they went back to the finals in 1987. kaso natalo sila ng Lakers  :thumbsupsmiley: After that nawala na sila they lost to the pistons in 1988. In 1989 they lost to the pistons in the first round. Nung time na un injured si Bird. In 1990, they lost against the knicks in the first round again. By this time nandito na si Bird. In 1991, they lost to the pistons in the second round again. In 1992 they lost to the Cavs. So after going to the finals in 1987, he never went back again to the Finals.

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Hindi mo alam yung team ng celtics bago dumating si Bird eh. Ipapaalam ko syo.

 

Kasi sinabi mo dun sa isang post mo eh Si Bird surrounded by Great Players. Eh sila Mchale and Parish sophomore year na dumating ni Bird.

 

Ang sinasabi ko lng Nagawa ni Bird paangatin ang Celtics ng rookie year na galing ng previous year na 29-53. Nung time na 29-53 ang celtics nandun na sila Dave Cowens and Nate Archibald. Pero wla pa si Larry Bird nun. Sila Dave and Nate mga AGING na nun.

 

-----*Dave Cowens (After a 2-12 start in 1978-79 Cowens became player-coach of the weakened Celtics)

 

-----*Nate Archibald(The transition to Celtics Green was anything but smooth. Archibald was 20 pounds overweight after the layoff, his play was slow and clumsy and his role was ill-defined. He had difficulty playing alongside Jo Jo White, and he carried on a running public feud with player-coach Dave Cowens over playing time. The once-glorious Celtics struggled to a 29-53 record.)

 

Obvious naman na mga Gurang na yan at nung time na wla pa si Lary Bird hindi nila natulungan ang Boston Celtics.

 

Points ko: Para mas malinaw

 

1977-78---- 32-50 record ng celtics. (Dave Cowens)

1978-79---- 29-53 record ng celtics. (Dave Cowens and Nate Archibald)

1979-80-----61-21 record ng celtics(Rookie year ni Bird na wla pa Mchale and Parish. Umabot yan ng Easter Conference Finals.)

 

"In 1977-78 the Celtics had compiled a 32-50 record, their worst since 1949-50. When Bird elected to return to Indiana State for one more year the Celtics dipped to 29-53, but Bird finally came to Boston for the 1979-80 campaign and sparked one of the greatest single-season turnarounds in NBA history. " Ulit wala si Mchale and Parish nun.

 

Sinasabi ko lng si Bird kahit limited yung resources napapapogi pa rin nya. Unlike kay jordan na kailangan mo talaga i-surround ng magagaling na player and COACH para maging effective.

 

Si jordan nung dumating meron sya Orlando Woolridge meron sya Charles Oakley(1985). Hindi bobo mga kakampi ni jordan nung time na yun. Definetely hindi mga Aging Players yan. Si Orlando Woolridge magaling din na scorer.

 

Para sa akin mas malaki yung effect ni Phil Jackson kaya nagchampion si jordan. Dun sya natuto kung paano manalo.

 

Si Bird Regardless of the Coach nanalo ng Championship. Chris Ford and KC Jones. Tawag nga kay Bird "Coach inside the Playing court"

 

Si Jordan lagi si Phil Jackson nakatatak sa mga championship nya. Sa ibang NBA coach never nanalo si jordan.

 

Nagkaroon dati na article na hindi mananalo si Jordan ng Championship pag hindi nya coach si Phil Jackson. Yun ang isa sa mga dahilan kaya bumalik si jordan sa wizards. . Kahit Playoffs hindi sila umabot. Meron sya gusto patunayan. Pero ganun tlga buhay.

[edc]

in fact as what edc said hindi raw physical noong panahon naglalaro si jordan. e nung time na un there was this thing called the jordan rules. he was blugeoned by the Detroit Pistons. In fact in one game. He lost his cool and punched Bill Laimbeer in the face. But they were able to overcome that in 1991 they dethroned the Pistons. They swept them in their series.

 

i supported the bulls during their run. particularly after magic johnson retired. pero most of the time sya pa rin talaga ang nagdadala sa bulls throughout their 6 championships.

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Hindi mo nagets sinabi ko. Sabi ko nung time na Nagchampion si Jordan(90s) dun hindi na gaano physical ang game. Konti tapik lng nung 90s foul agad.

 

Bka ang sabihin nyo na argument mas high scoring nung 80s. Pero high scoring ksi mas stock na stock mga team nung 80s. Bawat isang team makakacompete. From First Five to Second Five ok ang players.

 

Nung 1991 na naovercome ni jordan piston pero ang COACH na ni jordan si Phil Jackson na.

 

Nung 89-90 nakita naman paano nakuyug si jordan ng Pistons. Kita naman na triple team na sya kaso tira pa din. Kakampi na nya sila Grant and Pippen noon. Ang Coach nya nun si Doug Collins.

 

Ang napansin ko nung 91 eh "Mukhang" sinabihan na ni Phil si jordan na pass the ball to win games not pass the ball to be on the stats.

 

So ang sinasabi ko Nung dumating si Jordan, ang dami pang adjustment bago nya mafigure-out paano manalo. Ang Impact ni jordan eh yung scoring nya pero hindi to win games.

 

Si Bird wla na masyado adjustment, Alam na nya paano manalo kahit rookie pa lng with a limited resources.

 

Hindi ksi ako sang-ayon sa argument na wlang magaling na kakampi si jordan nung bago pa lng sya.

 

Si Bird ang kakampi mga gurang na tpos galing pa sa 29-53 the previous year pero nagawa nya 61-21. 32 game difference. Parang hirap ata gawin sa isang rookie yun.

[mauiboy]

THE 80's was the MAGIC JOHNSON V. LARRY BIRD ERA, THE 90's?.....well it was JORDAN'S....need i say more? WATCHING MJ, PLAYING WITH THE ORIGINAL DREAM TEAM DURING THE '92 BARCELONA OLYMPICS,YOU CAN SEE THAT HE IS THE BEST AMONG THEM.DON'T HAVE THE STATS WITH ME PERO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG,JORDAN IS THE TOP SCORER AND THE FIRST OPTION BY COACH CHUCK DALY ON THAT TEAM...

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Hindi mo alam yung team ng celtics bago dumating si Bird eh. Ipapaalam ko syo.

 

Kasi sinabi mo dun sa isang post mo eh Si Bird surrounded by Great Players. Eh sila Mchale and Parish sophomore year na dumating ni Bird.

 

Ang sinasabi ko lng Nagawa ni Bird paangatin ang Celtics ng rookie year na galing ng previous year na 29-53. Nung time na 29-53 ang celtics nandun na sila Dave Cowens and Nate Archibald. Pero wla pa si Larry Bird nun. Sila Dave and Nate mga AGING na nun.

 

-----*Dave Cowens (After a 2-12 start in 1978-79 Cowens became player-coach of the weakened Celtics)

 

-----*Nate Archibald(The transition to Celtics Green was anything but smooth. Archibald was 20 pounds overweight after the layoff, his play was slow and clumsy and his role was ill-defined. He had difficulty playing alongside Jo Jo White, and he carried on a running public feud with player-coach Dave Cowens over playing time. The once-glorious Celtics struggled to a 29-53 record.)

 

Obvious naman na mga Gurang na yan at nung time na wla pa si Lary Bird hindi nila natulungan ang Boston Celtics.

 

Points ko: Para mas malinaw

 

1977-78---- 32-50 record ng celtics. (Dave Cowens)

1978-79---- 29-53 record ng celtics.  (Dave Cowens and Nate Archibald)

1979-80-----61-21 record ng celtics(Rookie year ni Bird na wla pa Mchale and Parish. Umabot yan ng Easter Conference Finals.)

 

"In 1977-78 the Celtics had compiled a 32-50 record, their worst since 1949-50. When Bird elected to return to Indiana State for one more year the Celtics dipped to 29-53, but Bird finally came to Boston for the 1979-80 campaign and sparked one of the greatest single-season turnarounds in NBA history. " Ulit wala si Mchale and Parish nun.

 

Sinasabi ko lng si Bird kahit limited yung resources napapapogi pa rin nya. Unlike kay jordan na kailangan mo talaga i-surround ng magagaling na player and COACH para maging effective.

 

Si jordan nung dumating meron sya Orlando Woolridge meron sya Charles Oakley(1985). Hindi bobo mga kakampi ni jordan nung time na yun. Definetely hindi mga Aging Players yan. Si Orlando Woolridge magaling din na scorer.

 

Para sa akin mas malaki yung effect ni Phil Jackson kaya nagchampion si jordan. Dun sya natuto kung paano manalo.

 

Si Bird Regardless of the Coach nanalo ng Championship. Chris Ford and KC Jones. Tawag nga kay Bird "Coach inside the Playing court"

 

Si Jordan lagi si Phil Jackson nakatatak sa mga championship nya. Sa ibang NBA coach never nanalo si jordan.

 

Nagkaroon dati na article na hindi mananalo si Jordan ng Championship pag hindi nya coach si Phil Jackson. Yun ang isa sa mga dahilan kaya bumalik si jordan sa wizards.  Kahit Playoffs hindi sila umabot.  Meron sya gusto patunayan. Pero ganun tlga buhay.

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well considering cowens and archibald are still all stars in their prime. correction when jordan came to the bulls line up wala pa si oakley doon. oakley was drafted in 1985 as un known from virgina union univ. a div 3 school in the nba. considering oakley was not one of the heralded players in that draft. ang point ko lang naman dito nagchampion naman sila pareho. un nga lang mas maraming championship si jordan kay bird. hindi ko sinasabing mga bobo mga kakampi ni jordan but would it be great if he had the likes of hakeem olajuwon and magic johnson as his team mates instead of woolridge and quintin dailey. both players by the way didnt last long with the bulls.

 

as for jordan's coach of course hindi na sila nagpalit ng coach noon during their championship run. kahit siguro palitan pa nila si jackson nong time na un kaya pa rin nila magchampion. ang playeers naman ang nagpapanalo ng laro hindi coaches. nagbibigay lang ng instruction ang coaches. after their last championship in 1986 bird never won a championship again. yon lang masasabi ko. i suggest mag create ka na lang ng larry bird thread. theirs no point comparing michael jordan to larry bird in terms of greatness.

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Hindi mo nagets sinabi ko. Sabi ko nung time na Nagchampion si Jordan(90s) dun hindi na gaano physical ang game. Konti tapik lng nung 90s foul agad.

 

Bka ang sabihin nyo na argument mas high scoring nung 80s. Pero high scoring ksi mas stock na stock mga team nung 80s. Bawat isang team makakacompete. From First Five to Second Five ok ang players.

 

Nung 1991 na naovercome ni jordan piston pero ang COACH na ni jordan si Phil Jackson na.

 

Nung 89-90 nakita naman paano nakuyug si jordan ng Pistons. Kita naman na triple team na sya kaso tira pa din. Kakampi na nya sila Grant and Pippen noon. Ang Coach nya nun si Doug Collins.

 

Ang napansin ko nung 91 eh "Mukhang" sinabihan na ni Phil si jordan na pass the ball to win games not pass the ball to be on the stats.

 

So ang sinasabi ko Nung dumating si Jordan, ang dami pang adjustment bago nya mafigure-out paano manalo. Ang Impact ni jordan eh yung scoring nya pero hindi to win games.

 

Si Bird wla na masyado adjustment, Alam na nya paano manalo kahit rookie pa lng with a limited resources.

 

Hindi ksi ako sang-ayon sa argument na wlang magaling na kakampi si jordan nung bago pa lng sya.

 

Si Bird ang kakampi mga gurang na tpos galing pa sa 29-53 the previous year pero nagawa nya 61-21.  32 game difference. Parang hirap ata gawin sa isang rookie yun.

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i dont consider it as a factor. remember that the hand check rule took effect in the later part of the 90's. at nung time na un man to man lang talaga ang laro. i dont see any difference bet. the 80's style play in terms of physical play as compared to the time when jordan won championships for the bulls. e nung kalaban nila ang detroit he was mauled by bill laimbeer, dennis rodman, mark aguiree and rick mahorn plus john salley. at that time nandyan pa sila barkley. pati sila moses malone. sino bang physical player ang maglaro noong time na un. are u referring to Mitch Kupchak and Maurice Lucas as the physical players in the 80's. I also watched the NBA in the 80's kahit wala pang cable dito sa atin kahit delayed. Or are you referring to the celtics. Tama ka hindi ko magets kasi hindi specific kung sinong mga players noon ang naninira kay jordan noong naglalaro pa sya ng 80's and 90's.

 

Im not gonna discuss about larry bird in this thread anymore. For me he only won 3 championships all of them happened in the 80's and that was it. Para sa akin ang player for the 80's e si magic johnson sa 90's si Jordan. Bakit kamo. E sila ang laging nasa finals halos every year. Parang lumalabas noong 80's iniimbita lang ni magic johnson si dr j, bird, isiah thomas, and jordan for a finals party. The same goes with Jordan. He was inviting drexler, barkley, karl malone, gary payton into the finals. thats something that bird didn't accomplish.

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it would be best that you create your own larry bird thread. kasi kahit anong ipost mo rito kay bird. may sagot ang mga tao dito especially the michael jordan fans. para sa amin kasi si jordan pa rin ang pinaka magaling na player ng basketball. hindi si kobe at hindi si wilt chamberlain. thanks for posting your opinion as well.

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iIm not gonna discuss about larry bird in this thread anymore. For me he only won 3 championships all of them happened in the 80's and that was it. Para sa akin ang player for the 80's e si magic johnson sa 90's si Jordan. Bakit kamo. E sila ang laging nasa finals halos every year. Parang lumalabas noong 80's iniimbita lang ni magic johnson si dr j, bird, isiah thomas, and jordan for a finals party. The same goes with Jordan. He was inviting drexler, barkley, karl malone, gary payton into the finals. thats something that bird didn't accomplish.

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wow! larry bird was just invited by magic in the finals? hahahaha you must be joking.

 

he won 3 championships in the 80's and he was just "invited"?!

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Yknow edc, if you do not like Michael Jordan because Bird was (for you) a better man in terms of talent, had a better IQ.. (For you ha.. hindi sa akin..) then so be it.. Your arguments ay paulit-ulit lang.. pati na rin mga arguments namin.. Its getting to be very very tiring.. Sasabihin namin na walang masyadong papasahan si Jordan before sasabihin mo na meron.. --- at sa totoo lang wala siyang team mate na maasahan at that time.. Bird on the other hand, you would say single-handedly niya pinapanalo ang Celtics.. kahit kesyo sophomore pa lang si Parish, McHale or matanda na si Cowens, Archibald.. We on the other hand, think na malaki ang naitulong ng mga ito dahil mas magaling sila kaysa sa mga kasama ni Jordan when he started.. Iba ang tingin namin he..

 

You would say that 80's basketball was more difficult because defense was more tremendous.. kung ganun eh ano sa palagay mo kung ang iisang option ay si Jordan lang for Chicago.. then kung grabe and depensa nung 80's.. then kung iisa lang ang gumagawa kawawa yung player na yun.. kaya nga yung term na Jordan Rules.. meron bang Magic Rules, Bird Rules, Kareem Rules.. wala, coz maraming options ang Lakers, at ang Celtics mo noon.. E ang Bulls si Pippen lang na hindi consistent noong nag-uumpisa..

 

In my own way, hindi ko ni minsan sinaraan si Larry Bird, coz I respect what he has contributed in basketball, much so with LBJ (a player that I don't really believe in - as of now).. Kumbaga ay give credit where credit is due.. So give Jordan credit.. He is a great player.. May faults - sino ba ang perpektong tao? - but he is considered by many the eptiome of the perfect player of all time.. Si Bird, Si Magic.. anyone even you and me are not perfect.. even in the court they made mistakes that would make us say na tanga sila.. Kaya yung mga Wizards incidents na sinasabi nila na maaring nagpababa ng tingin ng tao kay Jordan.. nope, the aura never waned.. He is still basketball's gift to the world..

 

Jordan had charisma, he had flair, he had the aura.. he gave many of us goosebumps when he hung on the air.. He won.. and most important of all.. he had the talent.. Ito ang wala kay Bird/Magic/Kareem.. - the charisma, the flair and the excitement.. but he had talent - walang argumetn dito-- Bird may be more talented than Jordan.. may had more IQ.. tingin ko hindi.. tingin ko mas magaling si MJ - but if you (edc) think that way.. so be it.. But (uulitin ko) give respect where credit is due.. Jordan gave the world a glimpse of what is Basketball and most embraced him like he was God.. You say marketing did it? I say it was MJ's talent, heart, attitude, persona.. and most of all talent..

 

Hope this ends here.. Mayroon na akong nakitang Bird or Magic? thread.. Maganda yun.. parang nabuhay ang isa sa pinakamagandang rivalry the NBA had ever seen.. :thumbsupsmiley:

[bakedzitiguy]

title wise, the best player in the NBA was Bill russell. he won 11 or 12 titles? and he had to contend with wilt chamberlain then. but, ang drawback at that time was the league wasnt that big then. hindi ganoon karami ang mga teams kaya its easier to dominate at that time. Michael Jordan won 6. Kareem also won 6 (5 with lakers, 1 with bucks) Magic won 5 Bird won 3 Duncan right now has 3.