clitlicker Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 malabo pa rin ang sun hanggang ngayon. sana they could upgrade their services.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree with you dre! :thumbsupsmiley: Just got a text from Sun- You are now 90% of ek ek. Please pay your bill before cut-off date to avid inconveniece of getting cut-off or something to that effect. Called their Customer Service. they were very cordial. I asked my billings. It wasn't due yet and I'm an automatic credit from my credit card. Told them I want them to cut-off my services para I can hold them for breach! Wish Smart Customer Service didn't lose my application last year! :grr: Quote Link to comment
clitlicker Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 akira sing-ganda mo? hehe... haven't tried smart though that P10.00 unlimited thing is very interesting.. Globe had problems lately pero sandali lang naman.. I think they're doing all the marketing mistakes nowadays.. smart is doing all the right thing.. SOLID GLOBE pa rin muna..<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Globe's 10 centavos by the second is indeed a very attractive package. If they cut the text messaging charges they'll be attractive enough for their former subscribers to come back. Now Smart has to counter that- 10 centavoc per second. Their unlimited text between smart subscribers should be fixed not by the day. Quote Link to comment
sabaku_no_gaara Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 nde pa rin pala naayos mga telecom sa atin Quote Link to comment
binoyski71 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 (edited) Globe's 10 centavos by the second is indeed a very attractive package. If they cut the text messaging charges they'll be attractive enough for their former subscribers to come back. Now Smart has to counter that- 10 centavoc per second. Their unlimited text between smart subscribers should be fixed not by the day. look at what globe & smart is doing now with their promos... ang reason nila dati noong naglabas ng circular ang NTC on the "per-second or pulse" billing na mahihirapan sila to implement at baguhin yung system nila... eh bakit ngayon dahil sa pressure from sun cellular... ginawa nila ngayon... plain & simple reason... gusto nila protektuhan ang kanilang malaking kita... :thumbsdownsmiley: :thumbsdownsmiley: :thumbsdownsmiley: kaya mga dudes... kahit ayaw nyo sa sun cellular... magpasalamat tayo dahil sa ginawa nila... na-pressure ang ibang telcos to re-assess their tariff rates... :) Edited February 17, 2006 by binoyski71 Quote Link to comment
clitlicker Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 look at what globe & smart is doing now with their promos... ang reason nila dati noong naglabas ng circular ang NTC on the "per-second or pulse" billing na mahihirapan sila to implement at baguhin yung system nila... eh bakit ngayon dahil sa pressure from sun cellular... ginawa nila ngayon... plain & simple reason... gusto nila protektuhan ang kanilang malaking kita... :thumbsdownsmiley: :thumbsdownsmiley: :thumbsdownsmiley: kaya mga dudes... kahit ayaw nyo sa sun cellular... magpasalamat tayo dahil sa ginawa nila... na-pressure ang ibang telcos to re-assess their tariff rates... :)<{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree with you completely! :thumbsupsmiley: Quote Link to comment
Bisdak88 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 You must also consider the capacities within the network. Sometimes, as in the case of SUN, as an example, no matter how large the interconnection pipes are, if the internal network is congested (due to unlimited calling), calls from other networks cannot be completed. Similarly, calls from a SUN subscriber to another network cannot be completed by the interconnected carrier if SUN cannot route calls to the interconnect facilities. Moreover, the peak hours are factored in the implemented "channels" between the networks. There is no allocated X number of channels for interconnection. Interconnection channels is direct and point to point. Once calls are routed to these channels, it is clearly sent to the other carrier for completion to the subscriber. It is quite absurd in at this point in time that carriers are intentionally dropping calls as this is also a source of revenue for them. This might be the arguement in the late 90s as the incumbernt is making it hard for the new carriers build their subscriber base.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> said before the x number of channels to allocated would depend on inter carrier traffic, location, subscriber base of telcos. and the number of channels are computed base on the average traffic not at the highest....that is why we have peak and off peak....interconnection yes is direct point ot point up to a a certain point...and channels are not one is to one inter telco........ and telcos does not drop call...it simple can push thru due to limited doors(channels) .. yes it is a source of revenue, but bottom line which will you sacrifice...a few centavo that you can earn (though its still in the millions) per call coming from another telco or a bigger margin from a larger base of your own subscriber? aburd...sad to say it is not.... its simply " who has the bigger pie simple has the power" ..... reality is simply different from what should be!! hehehehe... as to sun...yes internal there internal network are congested from time to time.... one, because of their unlimited text and call, though they would want to expand, its still CAPEX w/c they have limited as to this point, revenues are not as expected...though then again they did increase subscriber base....Absurd you say, hmmm hehehe... get the other 2/3 of your facts..... what you pointed out is just 1/3 of the whole picture....sad yes!!! as pointed out by another post...its business, money.... simple math.... as of end of 2005 there are now 30 million subscribers, smart has what 65%, globe 30%, sun 5% conservatively... for every 1 peso call within there own network...you earn 100%...inter carrier you earn 30%..... we are still not factoring in the volume of traffic...... would it be absurd if you give priority to your own subs...hehehe...sir, there are a lot of things we still dont understand regarding the business....and how it is run.....making life harder for competitor is simply business....a reality.... Quote Link to comment
Bisdak88 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 look at what globe & smart is doing now with their promos... ang reason nila dati noong naglabas ng circular ang NTC on the "per-second or pulse" billing na mahihirapan sila to implement at baguhin yung system nila... eh bakit ngayon dahil sa pressure from sun cellular... ginawa nila ngayon... plain & simple reason... gusto nila protektuhan ang kanilang malaking kita... :thumbsdownsmiley: :thumbsdownsmiley: :thumbsdownsmiley: kaya mga dudes... kahit ayaw nyo sa sun cellular... magpasalamat tayo dahil sa ginawa nila... na-pressure ang ibang telcos to re-assess their tariff rates... :)<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Philtel its landline business has been using pulse rate since the 90's in there provincial areas...implementation of pulse is not really difficult...its a business dicision.... islacom prior being bought by globe also use the system....but as i said it was a business decision...at the time consumer was angry because they felt its much expensive..telebabads...hehehe...pldt has its current service, the prepaid landline...its pulse also.... bottom line ARE MARGINS..REVENUE... Domination... Sun gambled, its paying off in the subscriber base area..... competition are reacting...good for us subscribers....ummmmm some location yes..in others well thats another story...hehehehe.... So guys, enjoy the price war and promo campaigns....if you think they have all this promos and freebees because they care for their subscribers...well thing again.....remember cash drawers..... it must be full.....heheheehehehe.... Quote Link to comment
dr.j Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 para sa akin smart is the best, Quote Link to comment
kain_boy Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 said before the x number of channels to allocated would depend on inter carrier traffic, location, subscriber base of telcos. and the number of channels are computed base on the average traffic not at the highest....that is why we have peak and off peak....interconnection yes is direct point ot point up to a a certain point...and channels are not one is to one inter telco........ and telcos does not drop call...it simple can push thru due to limited doors(channels) .. yes it is a source of revenue, but bottom line which will you sacrifice...a few centavo that you can earn (though its still in the millions) per call coming from another telco or a bigger margin from a larger base of your own subscriber? aburd...sad to say it is not.... its simply " who has the bigger pie simple has the power" ..... reality is simply different from what should be!! hehehehe... as to sun...yes internal there internal network are congested from time to time.... one, because of their unlimited text and call, though they would want to expand, its still CAPEX w/c they have limited as to this point, revenues are not as expected...though then again they did increase subscriber base....Absurd you say, hmmm hehehe... get the other 2/3 of your facts..... what you pointed out is just 1/3 of the whole picture....sad yes!!! as pointed out by another post...its business, money.... simple math.... as of end of 2005 there are now 30 million subscribers, smart has what 65%, globe 30%, sun 5% conservatively... for every 1 peso call within there own network...you earn 100%...inter carrier you earn 30%..... we are still not factoring in the volume of traffic...... would it be absurd if you give priority to your own subs...hehehe...sir, there are a lot of things we still dont understand regarding the business....and how it is run.....making life harder for competitor is simply business....a reality.... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 1. Channels are computed based on peak hour. Not on average. Peak and off peak rates before are made to induce more traffic (intra and inter) in lean hours. This is retail play to maximize investment in the network. 2. I am not sure what you mean by one is to one, but channels are bi-directional. And if the channels are full, due to poor forecasting or unexpected traffic increase, the calls which cannot pass are dropped. Hence we get a congestion tone. 3. Larger base means larger inbound calls. This is where the money is at. Where do you think Smart makes its money? Not from the their subs, but calls from their other networks. Of course networks will prioritize thier own subscribers to keep them in the network. This is to increase probability of inbound calls. Do you really think that outbound calls have large margins? 4. In your comp*tation of a one peso calls, how do you breakdown the 100%? Is it still bigger than the 30% of an inbound calls? Be sure to take to account the following; network cost, marketing cost, billing cost and collection cost. Percentages are relative. BTW, payments between telcos are not percentage based. Telecommunications is a complicated business, it is a business wherein your competitor is also a necessary partner. Quote Link to comment
Bisdak88 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 1. Channels are computed based on peak hour. Not on average. Peak and off peak rates before are made to induce more traffic (intra and inter) in lean hours. This is retail play to maximize investment in the network. 2. I am not sure what you mean by one is to one, but channels are bi-directional. And if the channels are full, due to poor forecasting or unexpected traffic increase, the calls which cannot pass are dropped. Hence we get a congestion tone. 3. Larger base means larger inbound calls. This is where the money is at. Where do you think Smart makes its money? Not from the their subs, but calls from their other networks. Of course networks will prioritize thier own subscribers to keep them in the network. This is to increase probability of inbound calls. Do you really think that outbound calls have large margins? 4. In your comp*tation of a one peso calls, how do you breakdown the 100%? Is it still bigger than the 30% of an inbound calls? Be sure to take to account the following; network cost, marketing cost, billing cost and collection cost. Percentages are relative. BTW, payments between telcos are not percentage based. Telecommunications is a complicated business, it is a business wherein your competitor is also a necessary partner.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> if you say so bro... just like religion and politics...the business of of telecoms are always a source of debatable issues.... Quote Link to comment
Bisdak88 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 1. Channels are computed based on peak hour. Not on average. Peak and off peak rates before are made to induce more traffic (intra and inter) in lean hours. This is retail play to maximize investment in the network. 2. I am not sure what you mean by one is to one, but channels are bi-directional. And if the channels are full, due to poor forecasting or unexpected traffic increase, the calls which cannot pass are dropped. Hence we get a congestion tone. 3. Larger base means larger inbound calls. This is where the money is at. Where do you think Smart makes its money? Not from the their subs, but calls from their other networks. Of course networks will prioritize thier own subscribers to keep them in the network. This is to increase probability of inbound calls. Do you really think that outbound calls have large margins? 4. In your comp*tation of a one peso calls, how do you breakdown the 100%? Is it still bigger than the 30% of an inbound calls? Be sure to take to account the following; network cost, marketing cost, billing cost and collection cost. Percentages are relative. BTW, payments between telcos are not percentage based. Telecommunications is a complicated business, it is a business wherein your competitor is also a necessary partner.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> btw, I know its not on telco intercarrier toll are not percentage, just pointing out approximately how much revenue share a telco gets from inter carrier call.....and I do Hope that what your pointing out is a reality.....hehehehe..... true also channels are bi directional...if it use for bi directional...hehehehe..but as I said...if you say so...well and good... peace bro!!!! Quote Link to comment
Bisdak88 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Telecommunications is a complicated business, it is a business wherein your competitor is also a necessary partner.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> pahhhh....competitor as partner........... sounds good....... compitition as partners....... guess thats the reason major telcos for landline service.... have bought or bought into smaller and or provincial telcos... heehehehejust thinking aloud..... Quote Link to comment
Gideon Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 3G services are ok na sa Smart. I believe FREE pa ang service. Quote Link to comment
MTBCommuter Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 will try sun cellular today Quote Link to comment
ms_anonymus08 Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 im using globe sim ive been using it for bout 7 years na ata Quote Link to comment
clitlicker Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 im using globe sim ive been using it for bout 7 years na ata <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Globe in Metro-Manila is OK. But elsewhere more so up north-no signal. I have 3 to 5 lines of Globe- BEFORE. It's the way they treat you (please back read). Unless you're Platinum- you're s**t! Quote Link to comment
ms_anonymus08 Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Globe in Metro-Manila is OK. But elsewhere more so up north-no signal. I have 3 to 5 lines of Globe- BEFORE. It's the way they treat you (please back read). Unless you're Platinum- you're s**t!<{POST_SNAPBACK}> look minumura mo ba ako? rspect others opinion pls kabago bago ko dito ganyn ka Quote Link to comment
Gideon Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 look minumura mo ba ako? rspect others opinion pls kabago bago ko dito ganyn ka <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nag double post ka yata sa galit. But, yung SIM mo, prepaid o postpaid? Quote Link to comment
binoyski71 Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 (edited) look minumura mo ba ako? rspect others opinion pls kabago bago ko dito ganyn ka the way i see it... hindi ka naman minumura ni clitlicker sa kanyang post ms_anonymus08... ang gusto lang nya sigurong sabihin ay kung hindi ka naka-platinum postpaid subscription sa globe eh ang trato nila sayo ay "sh*t"... Edited March 13, 2006 by binoyski71 Quote Link to comment
joshiasi Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 i had globe and smart before... (had 2 phones kc )... now im applying for T-Mobile lol Quote Link to comment
clitlicker Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 (edited) look minumura mo ba ako? rspect others opinion pls kabago bago ko dito ganyn ka <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hindi kita minumura. Please read carefully before you jump to conclusions. Globe does treat people who are not "Platinum" as SH*T! :thumbsdownsmiley: Bakit kita mumurahin? Hindi naman kita kilala. Sa ganda mo n'yan? Edited March 14, 2006 by clitlicker Quote Link to comment
ms_anonymus08 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 okie sige senxa na poo bago lang me dto eh kya doble post ksi naghung ata ung MTC and its not my ISP ksi im working in an ISP company kya wlang prob ung internet namin Quote Link to comment
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