N F L - National Football League

[neKnock]

Basta... magkaka-alaman na lang sa Lunes (Manila time). Kung talo, talo. Kung panalo, quiet na lang ako.

[gift_of_game]

^it's not like we want you to shut up dude. we're not in third grade anymore, anyway.

 

your opinions are yours and if you feel differently, there's not a lot we can do to change that.

 

a whole lot of other people take it the same way, saying there's no space for the mercy rule in pro sports.

 

and really, even as both DH and I disagree with that notion, we respect their right to hold that view.

Edited November 2, 2007 by gift_of_game

[cheeselogger]

^I for one love running up the score against computer-controlled teams in video games.

 

hehehe

 

but IMHO, if I were on the losing end of an actual game, I would never like and want an opponent to rub it in my face when I lose. so conversely, I wouldn't want to run up the score intentionally if and when I'm winning. golden rule baby...

[denimhead]

^it's not like we want you to shut up dude. we're not in third grade anymore, anyway.

 

your opinions are yours and if you feel differently, there's not a lot we can do to change that.

 

a whole lot of other people take it the same way, saying there's no space for the mercy rule in pro sports.

 

and really, even as both DH and I disagree that notion, we respect their right to hold that view.

 

i agree with my main man g0g ... you can say yr opinion and we wont hold it against you. my problem with running up scores and overkill is not bec of the mercy rule notion. Teams that run up the score .. go for it on the fourth down when they are up by 40 points ... even leave the first stringers when they are up by 40 .. in the fourth quarter .. inevitably get other teams mad at them .. i know its not sportsmanlike but... individuals get mad and eventually try to get even .. by all costs .. what if say a third string linebacker purposely hits Tom Brady on the back after a play has been made .. a cheapshot .. yes .. but one that puts Brady on the injured list ... much less ends his career? the other guy might be suspended .. but he knows he has no fuiture in the league.. what does he care about that ... some teams have been known to put up bounties on certain players' heads......

 

is running up the score worth it? i dont think so......

[polok]

any game basta merong DALLAS COWBOYS... sayang talo sila sa PATS.

[denimhead]

the only hyped up game that matters:

Pats 24

Colts 21

[denimhead]

any game basta merong DALLAS COWBOYS... sayang talo sila sa PATS.

and theyre going down to my mothaeffing BIRDS!!!

Edited November 2, 2007 by denimhead

[polok]

i think the pats really held the Colts down... it took a long while before the colts were able to score a TD.

[chukchuck44]

gonna monitor it sa NFL.com na live....delayed naman kasi dito sa atin eh...sobra Solar, kaya hindi na nagtetelevise yata ang ESPN kasi corner nila ang phil market, buti na ibang ASEAN countries nakakapanood...

 

 

GO PATS!

[Metz]

Week 9 Forecasts:

 

SD vs MIN ---> SD

CAR vs TEN ---> TEN

ARI vs TB ---> ARI

WAS vs NYJ ---> WAS

JAC vs NO ---> NO

SF vs ATL ---> SF

CIN vs BUF ---> CIN

DEN vs DET ---> DET

GB vs KC ---> GB

SEA vs CLE ---> CLE

HOU vs OAK ---> OAK

NE vs IND ---> NE

DAL vs PHI ---> DAL

 

MNF:

BAL vs PIT ---> PIT

 

 

 

On Spygate and "running up the score" topic:

 

Spygate: It was wrong to bend/break the rules. They apologized and paid for it. It has not tainted their SuperBowl victories and their current 8-0 record simply because it didn't matter. EXECUTION is the only thing that matters. If you don't execute and do something about what you know, then it doesn't matter. MIAMI knew Brady was going for MOSS, and double covered him, but MOSS still ended up with 2 long bomb passes in the END ZONE against 2 DBs. VRABEL was in for the offense and everybody knew that he is going to catch the TD pass, but WASHINGTON didn't stop it from happening. Ain't it funny.

 

Running up the score: PRO Sports is about DOING WHAT YOUR PAID TO DO. For me, that's what i think the Pats are doing. It is legal and fair. If there's a rule against it, then it's unsportsmanlike and unfair. But since there is none, it is perfectly legal and fair. And right.

 

If a PITCHER suddenly finds himself facing a NO-HITTER by the 6th inning, is it unsportsmanlike if he does continue pitching til he does make the no-hitter or the perfect game? Can the opposing team cry that he was unsportsmanlike?

 

If for example the Bronx Bombers pile up a 12-0 score and batting in the top of the 9th inning, are they supposed to be benched or simply pose in the box and let the strikes come in so as to have respect to the opposing bullpen?

 

If a BOWLER finds that he has already won the game by the 6th frame yet he is on pace for a perfect game of 300 pinfalls, is it unsportsmanlike to go for the perfect game when your opponent is already beaten?

 

Is Roger Federer unsportsmanlike if he beats Rafael Nadal in the finals of the French Open by a score of 6-0, 6-0, 6-0? And when you watch the replays that Roger was even diving for volleys and chasing long balls. How does showing effort to win flawlessly become unsportsmanlike?

 

Should Tiger Woods start hitting bogeys from the 13th hole up to the last when he already clinched the tourney by the 12th hole? or is it unsportsmanlike?

 

DOMINATION in Pro Sports have been documented and well taken. Except now in the NFL, where a cheap shot at Brady is more vindictive than what the Pats are legally doing, which is scoring while they can. The Pats were not against a Div 2 College Football team. They were against Pro Football players and Pro Football teams under the same Salary Cap under the same NFL Rules. I think that is fair enough of a competition. In week 6 they faced an undefeated DALLAS team with the number 1 offense. Last week they were against the #5 Defense and the 5-2 WASHINGTON team. Yet in both games, people said the Pats were unsportsmanlike coz they ran up the score. Ain't those teams supposed to give them a good fight? They couldn't stop the Pats, yet it's the Pats fault that they can't? It's not the job of the Pats to stop, coz they are PAID to go on and play football 60 minutes per game. If they got a problem with that, then they should not be in the NFL. If the going gets tough, the tough gets going.

[cheeselogger]

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Running up the score: PRO Sports is about DOING WHAT YOUR PAID TO DO. For me, that's what i think the Pats are doing. It is legal and fair. If there's a rule against it, then it's unsportsmanlike and unfair. But since there is none, it is perfectly legal and fair. And right.

 

If a PITCHER suddenly finds himself facing a NO-HITTER by the 6th inning, is it unsportsmanlike if he does continue pitching til he does make the no-hitter or the perfect game? Can the opposing team cry that he was unsportsmanlike?

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it's not running up the score if you're keeping your opponent on not scoring. this example equates to the Pats Def letting for example Washington to score on their possesion every time after they reach the 30+ point lead. not much of a comparison

 

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If for example the Bronx Bombers pile up a 12-0 score and batting in the top of the 9th inning, are they supposed to be benched or simply pose in the box and let the strikes come in so as to have respect to the opposing bullpen?

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and that is why in baseball teams for example the NYY or even the BoSux replace their starters or hot hitters with pinch hitters/runners once they have a big lead. they don't need to reach the 9th inning to do this, beaning a hitter only needs one pitch...

 

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If a BOWLER finds that he has already won the game by the 6th frame yet he is on pace for a perfect game of 300 pinfalls, is it unsportsmanlike to go for the perfect game when your opponent is already beaten?

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Bowling is an individual sport that is maybe hard to compare to any team game. you're example is like in golf a person going for a course record when it is still possible. the closest comparison I can do is that the NE Pats were trying to go for a record then it that game. were they after any record for that game only?

 

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Is Roger Federer unsportsmanlike if he beats Rafael Nadal in the finals of the French Open by a score of 6-0, 6-0, 6-0? And when you watch the replays that Roger was even diving for volleys and chasing long balls. How does showing effort to win flawlessly become unsportsmanlike?

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again, another individual sport that is hard to translate to team sports. your example is like saying that the Pats should have decreased their efforts in winning the game after getting the huge lead. is their bench really that weak that they can say that if they let their second stringers play it is a decrease in effort in winning therefore they were trying to let the opponent come back and make the game closer?

 

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Should Tiger Woods start hitting bogeys from the 13th hole up to the last when he already clinched the tourney by the 12th hole? or is it unsportsmanlike?

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the only comparison I can make for this is like when the regular season is about to finish and the Pats already clinched the home field advantage all throughout it and they still have games left. also as far as I know, the scoring difference does not matter much in determining the standings. it is not as if the Pats had to keep on scoring to win the whole NFL regular season like Tiger Woods had to keep on increasing his tournament lead?

 

also, a sidenote that I think may or might not be wrong, it is hard to clinch a golf tournament by the 12th hole as he can still get +10 score for each hole. let's say Tiger sucked for the remaining 6 holes, that could only means he had a 60 stroke lead at the end of his 12th hole. I think what you're saying is Tiger was like playing to increase his lead eventhough it was "already" safe by anyone's standards save for a complete worst-case scenario meltdown like what I just

pointed out.

 

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DOMINATION in Pro Sports have been documented and well taken. Except now in the NFL, where a cheap shot at Brady is more vindictive than what the Pats are legally doing, which is scoring while they can. The Pats were not against a Div 2 College Football team. They were against Pro Football players and Pro Football teams under the same Salary Cap under the same NFL Rules. I think that is fair enough of a competition. In week 6 they faced an undefeated DALLAS team with the number 1 offense. Last week they were against the #5 Defense and the 5-2 WASHINGTON team. Yet in both games, people said the Pats were unsportsmanlike coz they ran up the score. Ain't those teams supposed to give them a good fight? They couldn't stop the Pats, yet it's the Pats fault that they can't? It's not the job of the Pats to stop, coz they are PAID to go on and play football 60 minutes per game. If they got a problem with that, then they should not be in the NFL. If the going gets tough, the tough gets going.

 

you're right about two things, a cheap shot at any starter, or for any player for that matter, for the Pats is damn wrong and the Pats need not stop playing and dominating the other team. cheap shots have no place in any sport and should never be condoned. but giving your opponent a reason to do it to you is not really smart of you, especially when there are still a lot of games needed to be played.

 

running up the score is a concept that is really subjective to anyone who's watching. to you and the others it may not be rubbing salt on the wound but to some it is a figurative slap on the face when the other is already out of it. like what you've said, the games the Pats have played should have been fair enough competition and that is why not all the games the Pats have played that resulted in blowouts were not accused as such.

 

it is only the point of some players, media people and fans where exact instances in some games where the Pats could have done some things better since they have been 3 time champs in this decade. the Pats chose to leave their starters in 4th Quarters where the game was already almost beyond reach and the opponent already conceding defeat and some "unconventional" playcalling (like the 4th and 1 near the end of the game) but instead they chose to go the other way (the chose the play leading to a TD where a FG at that point was more than enough already). I for one didn't mind going for a TD at that point as that was harder to do but to some that meant a lot of disrespect and not a lot of class. everyone else have their opinion about this but the fact of the matter is Championship caliber teams are expected to act differently in the face of certain situations. should have the Pats act "merciful" by just going for a FG in that play? that one I don't know as mercy is as subjective to almost any person as most have different definitions of what mercy is. the fact of the matter is, the last two games where the Pats dominated they have decided to pile on the score when there was really no need for it and their opponents already conceding defeat before that.

Edited November 3, 2007 by cheeselogger

[denimhead]

as far as i know the pats and the colts havent played yet......

[denimhead]

SF over ATL

BUF beats CIN

DET outscores DEN

GB over KC

SD over MIN

NO on a streak over JAC

NYJ upsets WAS

ARI over TB

SEA over CLE

NE over IND

HOU beats OAK

PHI over DAL

PIT over BAL

[cheeselogger]

I have a feeling this will be the week I'm going to get it all right...

 

Sunday's games:

San Francisco beats Atlanta

Buffalo holding homecourt advantage over Cincinnati

Detroit burning Denver's secondary when it matters most

Green Bay winning again over Kansas City

San Diego continuing its rampage against Minnesota

Jacksonville making life more miserable for New Orleans

Washington sealing the fate for the NY Jets

Arizona suprising Tampa Bay

Tennessee over Carolina

Cleveland upsetting Seattle

Indianapolis bringing New England back to earth with a last minute score

Oakland wins against Houston

Philadelphia shocking Dallas

 

Monday Night Football

Pittsburgh outperforming Baltimore

[gift_of_game]

Cheese probably covered enough ground, even the all-sports analogies and I concur with that, pretty much.

The bottomline is, it's tough to compare individual sports with team sports. The arguments just tend to get loopy.

 

To begin with, I got nothing against the Pats winning. It's apparent that Belichick wants the perfect slate to go with his Super Bowl season.

And he's a great coach, sure. Arguably the best one the league has had in quite a while.

 

But Spygate was stupid enough. A team with that much talent shouldn't even bother engaging in such half-assed stunts.

That's probably the apex of self-doubt right there.

You don't trust your powderkeg club to get it done without having to do this kind of thing?

I'd honestly punch him in the face if I were Brady.

But I guess that's just how much trust they have in the guy who delivers results---that he can do no wrong, ratty little hoodie and all.

For all their championships, this pretty much smacked of chumphood on their part.

 

Winning's well and good, sure. Belichick himself said so much that it's all that matters right now.

Should they have gone for a FG? It doesn't really matter. They had to do something at that point.

 

But why leave your starters that late in the game? What's the friggin' point? The Skins D was clearly overmatched anyway.

They looked more like a platoon of bums who somehow found their way into Foxborough and ended up dressing for the game.

We could say about the same for the offense though they're really much worse with that decimated O-Line.

The prudent and not to mention logical thing would have been to get your 2nd-stringers some face time, run a few plays and get it over with.

The game was out of reach by then and this practically rendered Welker's late TD the most pathetic TD of the year.

 

But again, it's Belichick's team, not mine and apparently the man can do no wrong even if he doesn't have the least bit of class in going about his business.

I'm sorry, I dunno about you guys but I just expect a whole lot more from a championship club.

 

JUST MY 2 CENTS.