Duterte's Presidency : Expectations, Controversies, Rants, Etc.

[darkspider]

i read this statement from cnn: I am a President of a sovereign state. And we have long ceased to be a colony of the United States, correct me if i am wrong, US played a big part of what we are right now, from treaty of paris which is somehow BS because the Philippines was bought from Spain and of course WW2 liberating us from Japan, kahit pa baliktarin natin ang mundo at maging mayabang in a way still we owe something but not everything from the US, so throwing those colorful statement is not necessary,thats for me, i might be wrong but i still know my history somehow.

[filibustero]

I think your analogy is disproportionate to the issue we are discussing.

 

Your premise is that the father has been raping the children. This is a heinous crime. Definitely, the neighbors must respond and stop the crime from continuing. But it's not really the case.

 

A better analogy is the father slapping the child's behind for being unruly. In this case, the neighbor must weigh if it would be appropriate for him to impose his personal values on his neighbor. After all, how the father discipline his children is his prerogative.

 

This is what I think as a more accurate analogy between the Philippine government & the US. The Philippine Government is not into EJK or HRV as a matter of policy in its fight against drugs. How Philippines conduct its drug campaign is an internal matter that the US has no business meddling with. So the US (the neighbor) should be careful on how to raise its concerns about EJK/HRV with the Philippines.

 

I may be taking things out of context (common among Filipinos these days, apparently), but did you just imply that EJK is not a heinous crime? And here I thought EJK was essentially no different from murder. My bad.

 

Different personal values. Hmmm. Let's see, the Philippines signed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) - was one of the original signatories even, if I recall correctly. It has signed various human rights treaties and conventions as well, and holds itself out as a country that respects human rights. Our own Constitution provides for human rights. Even Filipinos in the Philippines are calling out the government on the spate of killings in the "drug war". So, I'm really not sure about the different values thing. Again, could be taking things out of context.

 

Whether the Philippine government is into EJK as a matter of policy in the drug war is the exactly the center of the controversy. Even as it claims that it has nothing to do with killings, the rhetoric of the government and the coincidence(?) of the rising death toll of drug-related deaths is what alarms Filipinos and other countries alike.

 

What the Philippines does within its territory is certainly its business. But calling out other countries on what they're doing is also the business of the community of nations. Free speech after all, is a common value between the Philippines, US, and other countries that claim to be a democracy. Right? Even events within a country can be considered a "threat to international peace and security" by the UN Security Council, which it can take collective action on - beyond issuing statements. And before anybody jumps the gun, I'm not saying the Philippine war on drugs is a threat to international peace and security. Just saying claiming that something is "purely internal" to a state does not always hold true under the present regime of international relations.

 

As for the US specifically, like I said, it is not a country that has no ties with the Philippines. The US government channels funds to the Philippines and provides military support and equipment. So if the Philippine government is involved in human rights violations and the US nonetheless continues to support the Philippine government without question, then it can be called out by other countries as supporting the violations. Diplomacy and international relations is an intricate dance and a game of pretense. Why do you think the Philippine government had to issue an "apology" for cursing Obama even when it claims that the President didn't curse Obama (because Americans, just like the Filipino people, apparently have a penchant for taking words out of context)? If we think the US is already meddling with Philippine policy just by issuing a statement on EJK, well we ain't seen nothing yet.

[bughaw1]

Haters hate PDigong because he represents the change that majority of the Filipinos want. The elite don't benefit with the change that PDigong is offering so they shutdown the idea.The sad thing is that they can say with a straight face that Pnoy's administration us way better than PDigong's.

[Edmund Dantes]

 

 

I was simply asking if the reporter was acting like a lap dog of America, as you stated. No "overcomplication" there, just responding to something you brought up. "Overcomplicating" would be bringing up conjectures as to how he would have answered if a different question was asked. That would of course be a useless discussion as it did not happen that way. Take this, for example: If Duterte is of the stance that the Philippines answers to no country, then he hypothetically would have cursed (or threatened to curse) every other world leader the reporter would have hypothetically mentioned.

 

 

Perhaps you should disabuse yourself of the illusion that Foreign Policy Advisors of countries with decent intelligence service source their data solely from newspapers or media, and that international diplomacy is about "para matuwa ang isang Mr. Barack Obama." Maybe with your desire not to "overcomplicate" things, you tend to oversimplify instead. Its not just about that.

 

And of course, Duterte should "mag-isip at mag-aral ng mabuti" every single time he has the opportunity to meet with other world leaders.

 

Again, just because the US has HRVs of its own, doesn't mean that allowing the spread of HRVs and EJKs is okay. You keep bringing up the straw man. I won't even go into the leap of logic regarding alleged bagmen and mansions and cars. Following your mindset, Duterte would allow states like Sudan, DRCongo, and North Korea, to call us out on HRVs. Isn't that just about the silliest thing you could ever hear? We do not recognize human rights, hence there is nothing to violate, so there are no instances of HRVs in our country. Because there are no HRVs in our country, we can call you out on the appalling state of HRVs in your country. Hint: I used a logical fallacy in this paragraph. (This is a joke. I feel that you are very passionate about this, so I'm just trying to keep it light.)

 

Yes, it is a figure of speech, but it is most definitely an insult. Just because it was a figure of speech doesn't mean it wasn't an insult. It was addressed to Filipinos, to show his lack of respect for the entire nation of America. It was a very clear and uncomplicated statement.

 

Simple lang ito ha

 

Una hindi po tayo Sudan, Congo o kung ano ano pa. Wala rin poing genocide na nangyayari satin. Nakakalungkot na kapwa pa natin pilipino nagbibigay ng ganyang impression. Samantalang nung mga lumad pinapatay di naman umangas ganyan media. If one only presented data in proper perspective not even 1% ng mga drug personalities ang namamatay. Sa less than 1% na yan, kasama na yun mga niyari ng kapwa din nila kriminal. It is crackdown on crime, expect that there will be blood to spill. It is what it is. US of all territories should understand this, here they are fighting wars left and right, me mga kaso din sila ng HRV, tapos basta na lang tayo papacute kay uncle sam at hahayaan na di na igalang yun sovereignity natin? Yun ang punto dito ni Duterte.

 

Now yes there was foul language used. Yes it was a bit of aggressive. I do not waive the president from his fault, BUT..... Kahit anong gawin natin pabalubaluktot dito, wala dung sinabi na p#tang %na mo obama. Threatening to cuss ANYONE if asked offensive question IS not in the same ballpark as saying Obama was called a son of a bitch. The media is supposed to report the news as it is. Sabi nga ng mga supporters ni De Lima, Half-truth is still a lie.

 

 

Haters hate PDigong because he represents the change that majority of the Filipinos want. The elite don't benefit with the change that PDigong is offering so they shutdown the idea.The sad thing is that they can say with a straight face that Pnoy's administration us way better than PDigong's.

 

Duterte knows it. If you are really to clean up the drug problem, corruption, and the abu sayaff, you have to be prepared to shake up the system. Sagasaan kung sino dapat sagasaan. He said it himself, by doing this he risks his life (because siguradong maraming magtatangka sa buhay nya), his presidency ( dahil pwede sya icoup), and his honor (dahil pag hindi sya nagtagumpay, hindi lang maghahari mga drug lord, corrupt, at mga terrorista, kundi habang panahon halimaw sya na maalala). That is exactly what he is doing. Walang sasantuhin kahit na sino. Mapasmall time pusher, police protector, senador, judge, kahit pa nga presidente ng bansang napakabastos at mahilig makialam lagi sa pamamalakad ng gobyerno ng bansang mas maliit sa kanila.

 

I know the president is not perfect, and he needs a bit of refinement. I know hindi lagi tama decisions nya, Presidente sya at hindi sya Dyos. Pero ito lang ang presidente na nakikita kong nagsasakripisyo para sa bansa. Sabi nga, ang laki ng ipinayat nya mula ng maupo sa pwesto. Sabi noon, magiging tamad na presidente ito kasi ayaw gumising ng maaga. Pero nakita naman natin, sa umaga sinalubong mga stranded na OFW sa NAIA. Sa gabi personal pang nakiramay sa mga namatay na sundalo sa mindanao. Tapos yun syudad nya inatake pa ng mga terorista. Yun anak nya nakunan pa.

 

Powtek, yun ibang nagiging first family dyan puro pasasa pag nasa kapangyarihan na. Sina Marcos, Aquino, GMA, Erap. He is 71 years old dapat retire na kasi sya.

 

 

Yun kay Obama naman, mukha namang naayos na.

 

Kay Obama na mismo nangaling, hindi nya naman pinersonal yun mura. Naintindihan nya naman na salita lang ito na nakasanayan nyang sabihin. Tiniyak na tuloy pa din naman alyansa ng dalawang bansa. Ayun. Buti pa si Obama kahit di naman marunong managalog naintindihan, samantalang yun media binaluktot na yun sinabi.

 

I do not entirely agree with how duterte went about the tirade. Hindi na sya dapat nagmura. Pero they call us out sa mga nangyayaring HRV na yan, and then when we call them back on their hypocrisy bawal? Tama naman eh. Kaalyado ba tayo o tuta nila na dapat magpacute lagi?

Edited September 10, 2016 by TheSmilingBandit

[daphne loves derby]

Yun kay Obama naman, mukha namang naayos na.

 

Kay Obama na mismo nangaling, hindi nya naman pinersonal yun mura. Naintindihan nya naman na salita lang ito na nakasanayan nyang sabihin. Tiniyak na tuloy pa din naman alyansa ng dalawang bansa. Ayun. Buti pa si Obama kahit di naman marunong managalog naintindihan, samantalang yun media binaluktot na yun sinabi.

 

I do not entirely agree with how duterte went about the tirade. Hindi na sya dapat nagmura. Pero they call us out sa mga nangyayaring HRV na yan, and then when we call them back on their hypocrisy bawal? Tama naman eh. Kaalyado ba tayo o tuta nila na dapat magpacute lagi?

 

correct. nsanay kasi ang US na sila lang lagi ang tama komo malakas na bansa sila. Na lahat ng ginagawa nila eh "acceptable" at yung sasabihin nila eh "universal language/statement" na lalo na sa mga pro US. Nakakita ng katapat si OBAMA at pinakita ni Digong na may bayag siya kumpara ke Pnoy at sa iba pa na oo lang ng oo lagi sa US.

Edited September 9, 2016 by daphne loves derby

[filibustero]

Ewan ko na lang sa iba, pero sa akin hindi ito tungkol kay Digong or PNoy. Hindi ako sang-ayon sa EJK dahil si Digong ang Presidente. Kahit sino pa Presidente gumawa nyan eh I will call it out. Hindi ako sang-ayon sa lahat ng ginawa ni PNoy lalo na yang BBL na yan (kaya nga ok sakin si BBM). Kahit si GMA pa, sa kanya ko nga credit ang strong economic fundamentals ng Pilipinas na nagbubunga na ngayon. Hindi porque may comment laban kay Digong eh hater na at parang di na Pilipino. Lahat ng Presidente may tama at mali na ginawa, at malas lang talaga nya na lahat ng mali talaga pag-uusapan, at kung ano man tama nagawa, halos di napapansin.

[Edmund Dantes]

 

 

correct. nsanay kasi ang US na sila lang lagi ang tama komo malakas na bansa sila. Na lahat ng ginagawa nila eh "acceptable" at yung sasabihin nila eh "universal language/statement" na lalo na sa mga pro US. Nakakita ng katapat si OBAMA at pinakita ni Digong na may bayag siya kumpara ke Pnoy at sa iba pa na oo lang ng oo lagi sa US.

 

Yan nga kasi, kaalyado dapat tayong ituring, Hindi naman totoy totoy na sunudsunuran komo maliit na bansa lang tayo.

 

Huwag naman din tayo sana bastusin at pakikialaman yun policy natin tungkol sa drugs, at mamandohan tayo pano dapat patakbuhin bansa natin.

 

I wonder, tama ba kasi information na nakakarating sa mga westerners na ito? Its pointless na bilangin lang kasi ilan ang kriminal na napapatay at hindi naman nilalagay sa tamang perspective yun data. Yun arrests, and surrender higit na nakakarami kesa sa namamatay. In fact, pinapakiusapan na nga yang mga pusher at users na sumuko na lang sana tapos hindi na sila ikukulong. Kung pwede tulungan, di tulungan. Pero ano naman gagawin kung talagang lumaban mga yan?

 

Dapat malaman nila, papano ba tayo umabot na sa ganito at kelangan gumamit ng matinding pwersa na? Pano, institutionalized na masyado drugs satin. Ultimo pinakamatataas na pwesto sa gobyerno nakikinabang na sa drug money. Pag di ito naagapan, magiging mexico na lang tayo.

 

 

Ewan ko na lang sa iba, pero sa akin hindi ito tungkol kay Digong or PNoy. Hindi ako sang-ayon sa EJK dahil si Digong ang Presidente. Kahit sino pa Presidente gumawa nyan eh I will call it out. Hindi ako sang-ayon sa lahat ng ginawa ni PNoy lalo na yang BBL na yan (kaya nga ok sakin si BBM). Kahit si GMA pa, sa kanya ko nga credit ang strong economic fundamentals ng Pilipinas na nagbubunga na ngayon. Hindi porque may comment laban kay Digong eh hater na at parang di na Pilipino. Lahat ng Presidente may tama at mali na ginawa, at malas lang talaga nya na lahat ng mali talaga pag-uusapan, at kung ano man tama nagawa, halos di napapansin.

 

 

Sa personal kong pananaw, tama na me kritiko, pero anong klaseng kritiko ba?

 

Sa lahat ng kritiko ng pangulo, pinakanirerespeto ko si Ma'am Leni Robredo. Bakit? Kahit binabatikos nya itong EJK na ito, hindi nya naman tahasan kinokontra kampanya laban sa droga. In fact may mga sina-suggest sya na mga paraang epektibo para tulungan mga drug dependents (i.e. involving the church and family since it worked in naga). Eh si De Lima puro naman putak at pamumulitika kasi.

 

Isa pa, after nung davao bombing, isa rin si Maam Leni sa pesonal na nakiramay sa mga pamilya ng biktima sa Davao.

 

Sabi ko yin yang si Leni at Digong. Sana nga mas magkatrabaho sila.

Edited September 10, 2016 by TheSmilingBandit

[Nemo Outis]

Simple lang ito ha

 

Una hindi po tayo Sudan, Congo o kung ano ano pa. Wala rin poing genocide na nangyayari satin. Nakakalungkot na kapwa pa natin pilipino nagbibigay ng ganyang impression. Samantalang nung mga lumad pinapatay di naman umangas ganyan media.

 

Didn't get the joke, huh?

 

If one only presented data in proper perspective not even 1% ng mga drug personalities ang namamatay. Sa less than 1% na yan, kasama na yun mga niyari ng kapwa din nila kriminal. It is crackdown on crime, expect that there will be blood to spill. It is what it is. US of all territories should understand this, here they are fighting wars left and right, me mga kaso din sila ng HRV, tapos basta na lang tayo papacute kay uncle sam at hahayaan na di na igalang yun sovereignity natin? Yun ang punto dito ni Duterte.

 

I guess your data sources for the "1%" are more credible than the sources of the intelligence community.

 

Now yes there was foul language used. Yes it was a bit of aggressive. I do not waive the president from his fault, BUT..... Kahit anong gawin natin pabalubaluktot dito, wala dung sinabi na p#tang %na mo obama. Threatening to cuss ANYONE if asked offensive question IS not in the same ballpark as saying Obama was called a son of a bitch. The media is supposed to report the news as it is. Sabi nga ng mga supporters ni De Lima, Half-truth is still a lie.

The insults were definitely there. As they say, "The medium is the message."

 

If anyone happened to catch Obama's statements at the end of the ASEAN summit, now that's the way to deliver digs without stooping to profanity. Heck, even Putin knows how to deliver stabs diplomatically, and without cursing. Notice the very slight smile (or smirk?) when he mentions certain things. Those with some knowledge in "diplomatese" can translate this statement properly:

 

"My hope and expectation is that as President Duterte and his team get acclimated to his new position and that they are able to define and, clarify what exactly they want to get done, how that fits in with the work we're already doing with the Philippine government, and hopefully it will be on a strong footing by the time the new administration comes in"

 

Subtle, but not too subtle that Duterte's "team" won't have too much trouble understanding it. Am I happy that Obama had to say this? Nope, it was a diplomatic slap, but a slap nonetheless. Did our country deserve it? Nope, but our President and his "team" sure did.

[daphne loves derby]

 

 

 

in the news, Obama did not shake hands with Duterte.... says a lot, right?

bakit nangyari ito... ang idol nyo kasi... niyari nanaman ang america... may hugot lines pa sa nangyari 100 years ago... as if kasalanan pa ni obama yan.... as if walang ginagawa ang america to recompsate

 

heard of USAID Philippines? dun pa lang laki na tulong sa ating ng USA.

 

 

market is dictated by SPECULATIONS. kaya nga bumaba yung stocks natin kasi kinabahan mga investors na baka may negative na mangyari dahil sa mga pinagsasabi ni duterte.

 

 

 

 

 

 

there are 2 kinds of changes... for the good and for the bad....

sometime, even if you want to do something for the good, pero you do not know the proper way to handle the issue, the result will be for the bad.

 

ganun lang yun

 

 

.@BangkoSentral: Consumer confidence hits all-time high in Q3 2016 on "improved peace & order" | @BendeVeraINQ

 

 

[jopoc]

 

 

 

.@BangkoSentral: Consumer confidence hits all-time high in Q3 2016 on "improved peace & order" | @BendeVeraINQ

 

 

 

 

most of those are from the previous administration.... kung meron man naitulong ang duterte admin, ay mere positive outlook.... which is normal wthen there is a NEW administration (as pointed out there).

 

 

 

 

 

I know it is a meme... pero hindi ba totoo?

labo ni digong.

Edited September 10, 2016 by TheSmilingBandit

[Ryuji_tanaka]

napansin ko lang..asan na ba yung mga "human rights" advocates after ng Davao bombing? Tahimik ata sila a. Dahil ba walang member ng drug syndicate na namatay dun?

 

yung Yellowtards naman, puro celebrate na parang maganda yung ganyang nangyari

 

yung mga tuta ng Kano, nahurt dahil iniinsulto daw ang messias AKA presidente ng Amerika! dapat lang daw yung nangyari sa Pina!

 

other countries put politics aside in things like this and stick together, but it seems, not pinoys!

 

This is addressed to Jopoc and to the members here who are also members of the Yellow Army:

 

IF you were in Duterte's shoes, as in you were president and you have a country with a drug problem and a terrorist attack, what would you do....please post your reply in the If you were president thread....para wag naman nega lang, and constructive ideas naman.

Edited September 11, 2016 by Ryuji_tanaka

[goldrush]

bumaba daw crime rate? kaliwat kanang patayan pati kapatid ng artista na maritoni fernandez pinatay i dnt think so na about sa drugs yun nililihis lang imbestigasyon..

[rooster69ph]

Naku misinterpreted na naman si digong ng indonesian press tungkol sa pagpayag sa pagbitay ng isang pinay sa death row dahil sa droga.

 

Bakit ba lagi ka na lang misinterpreted?

[Sam1226]

Naku misinterpreted na naman si digong ng indonesian press tungkol sa pagpayag sa pagbitay ng isang pinay sa death row dahil sa droga.

 

Bakit ba lagi ka na lang misinterpreted?

 

I think indonesian press got the statement right. ABC News correspondent Adam Harvey said that they have on tape the audio of Pres. Jokowi saying that PDut said "go ahead" with the execution of Mary Jane Veloso.

[rooster69ph]

I think indonesian press got the statement right. ABC News correspondent Adam Harvey said that they have on tape the audio of Pres. Jokowi saying that PDut said "go ahead" with the execution of Mary Jane Veloso. [/size]

If that is the case then duterte and his minions are again taking us for a spin after the "truth" came out.

 

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Siya nga pala sablay din yun unang version na nilabas ng official gazette sa sinulat tungkol kay marcos. Ayun nung ang daming umalma, the post was taken down and edited.