Apo Marcos : Facts And Myths

[tk421]

LOL. Conspiracy pa more. As far as I know they're a human rights group.

 

Sus kung ganun lang, he could have easily given it to the NPA directly (yey more money to buy arms!), instead to an alleged CPP-NDF-NPA connected group that champions human rights.

[camiar]

LOL. Conspiracy pa more. As far as I know they're a human rights group.

 

Sus kung ganun lang, he could have easily given it to the NPA directly (yey more money to buy arms!), instead to an alleged CPP-NDF-NPA connected group that champions human rights.

Or, he could have easily put it as seed money for Go Negosyo or similar organizations that help the poor set up their own businesses.

 

I suggest you research about the real purpose of Karapatan. You seem to have just superficial knowledge about these front organizations.

 

From what information you've given so far, it tells me that your relative was a real dyed-in-the-wool communist subversive, and the government was justified in detaining him during Martial Law.

Edited June 12, 2018 by camiar

[tk421]

He could. But, again it's none of your business where the donation winds up in.

 

Maybe he's just grateful for taking in his case.

 

Or maybe you're just cross with that rights group because they were instrumental in bringing down your boss, Gen. Palaparan? Who knows?

[camiar]

A lot of maybe. When cornered, all you can say is "it's none of your business".

 

You portrayed him as an innocent human rights victim. It's turning out he's not.

 

Not everybody in this forum are so naive to fall for you your charade .

Edited June 12, 2018 by camiar

[tk421]

Right. So you’re resorting to muddying the issue when I was being consistent with what I’ve been saying all along: torture did happen during the Marcos era and it is not justifiable, ever.

 

That’s what you guys do best naman pag na corner na, Ililipat sa iba ang focus. You said so yourself that torture is not right diba? Paano napunta ang focus kung saan dapat gastusin ang compensation?

[camiar]

Right. So you’re resorting to muddying the issue when I was being consistent with what I’ve been saying all along: torture did happen during the Marcos era and it is not justifiable, ever.

 

That’s what you guys do best naman pag na corner na, Ililipat sa iba ang focus. You said so yourself that torture is not right diba? Paano napunta ang focus kung saan dapat gastusin ang compensation?,

It was reparation payment, not compensation. There's a big difference.

 

Sa yo din naman nanggaling kung saan ginastos yung reparation payment given to your relative, the manner of which it was spent, I felt, as a taxpayer, was inappropriate and underhanded.

 

Imagine, using government reparation funds to bring down the the very government who gave it.

 

It suggests that your relative was an unrepentant subversive who still hopes to see our government overthrown someday. It implies he was either a die-hard communist rebel - a combatant (NPA member) or an operative (agitator, political officer, etc...), which does not fit the innocent victim that you portray him to be.

[tk421]

It was reparation payment, not compensation. There's a big difference.

 

Sa yo din naman nanggaling kung saan ginastos yung reparation payment given to your relative, the manner of which it was spent, I felt, as a taxpayer, was inappropriate and underhanded.

 

Imagine, using government reparation funds to bring down the the very government who gave it.

 

It suggests that your relative was an unrepentant subversive who still hopes to see our government overthrown someday. It implies he was either a die-hard communist rebel - a combatant (NPA member) or an operative (agitator, political officer, etc...), which does not fit the innocent victim that you portray him to be.

 

Well it didn't come from your taxes as far as I know. The money came from the sequestered Marcos wealth.

 

You can view it that way, if you wish (that he aims to bring down the government... that's how a typical paranoid DDS thinks, anyways). It's your opinion and it's a relatively free country.

 

But as I see it he's just paying it forward by helping other victim (and would-be victims) of human rights injustice.

[camiar]

That's how you see it.

 

But the fact remains that any amount taken from the Philippine Treasury belong to Filipino taxpayers, wherever it came from.

 

And if you just care enough to learn more about the real activities and intent of Karapatan, you wouldn't be so self righteous.

Edited June 14, 2018 by camiar

[camiar]

I saw this in facebook.

 

Impressive speech. Especially the part towards the end where Marcos questions the commitment of the US in coming to aid the Philippines is case we are attacked.

 

https://www.facebook.com/200328460714473/videos/250927452321240/?t=180

Edited June 14, 2018 by camiar

[tk421]

If the money advances the rights of Filipinos, then it is money well-spent. Better than it going to corrupt politicians.

[camiar]

The sad reality is if people don't have money, they would not even care to advance their own rights.

 

If day-to-day survival is their primary concern, human rights means nothing to them. They will fight for food but they will not fight for rights.

[will robie]

HAHA. Believe it or not, I actually do not care. Pero research ka pa and maybe you'll see the truth. Fairy tale?

 

We're confident in the fact that 1.9M of Marcos' wealth has been donated to Karapatan c/o us.

You don't care but you've been posting about it. You're confident but you cant' say it with certainty. Being confident about something and that something being a fact are two different things.

[haroots2]

http://cnnphilippines.com/news/2018/06/19/Supreme-Court-ill-gotten-wealth-PCGG-Ferdinand-Marcos-cronies.html

 

SC junks PCGG's ill-gotten wealth claims vs. Marcos, cronies

 

Metro Manila (CNN Philippines, June 19) — The Supreme Court (SC) junked the government's bid to collect damages against the estate of former President Ferdinand Marcos and his cronies for lack of documentary evidence on how their supposed ill-gotten wealth was amassed.

[will robie]

http://news.tv5.com.ph/breaking/not-ill-gotten-sc-upholds-junking-p51-b-wealth-claim-vs-marcoses-cronies

 

An arrow to the heart of the yellowtards. First, their icon in the SC gets booted out with finality and then this. Double whammy!

[juan t]

Marcos cases:

 

Swiss courts - GUILTY

U.S. courts - GUILTY

Singaporean court - GUILTY

Philippine court - NOT GUILTY

 

Out of those 4 countries, guess which one is the most corrupt with the most corruptible justice system? Go figure!