Apo Marcos : Facts And Myths

[camiar]

 

 

It does matter. Malamang ninakaw din o na divert sa campaign funds ng mga Aquinos.

 

Even if those funds were diverted to the Aquinos, how does that absolve Marcos?

 

 

 

Much of the so-called ill-gotten wealth were sequestered from businessmen and political personalities associated with Marcos.

Up to now there's no proof that they are indeed Marcos's ill-gotten wealth.

 

What you say as PhP170 Billion "recovered" (read:sequestered) wealth were based on assessed value at the time they were sequestered and were probably overstated for publicity. Since it's not proven who the real owners were, these sequestered properties just sit where they are now, rotting away.

 

So why then are the Marcoses fighting tooth and nail on cases against them to keep these assets? Ano pakialam nila jan kung hindi naman pala kanila yun?

 

 

 

(excerpt from Wikipedia) -- Enrique Zobel, founder of Makati Business Club and former chairman and president of Ayala Corporation, in his sworn statement, alleged that PCGG officials wanted a cut of any recovered wealth

 

http://news.abs-cbn.com/nation/01/05/09/corruption-power-struggle-mar-pcgg-work-2008

http://www.philstar.com/headlines/405885/pcgg-execs-employees-have-p67-m-unliquidated-cash-advances

 

Again these are irrelevant because it does not disprove plunder by Marcos.

 

The point is:

 

It was not proven that the Marcos stole those wealth. The sequestered wealth from the "cronies" were not owned by the Marcoses and are yet to be proven to have come from the Marcoses.

 

Cite me one proof that the Marcoses are "fighting tooth and nail" to keep the wealth? All they ask are proof the the wealth belong to somebody else; Or in the case of sequestered properties, proof that it was really theirs or it was ill-gotten.

 

What "disproving plunder" and "absolving" are you talking about? Nothing has been proven yet. What is there to disprove?

 

Wala.

 

Nganga lang ang PCGG dyan.

Edited November 24, 2016 by camiar

[Edmund Dantes]

Just wondering,

 

Ilang dating PC na ba, o mga sundalo na nangtorture ang nakulong at naparusahan?

[rooster69ph]

The point is:

 

It was not proven that the Marcos stole those wealth. The sequestered wealth from the "cronies" were not owned by the Marcoses and are yet to be proven to have come from the Marcoses.

 

Cite me one proof that the Marcoses are "fighting tooth and nail" to keep the wealth? All they ask are proof the the wealth belong to somebody else; Or in the case of sequestered properties, proof that it was really theirs or it was ill-gotten.

 

What "disproving plunder" and "absolving" are you talking about? Nothing has been proven yet. What is there to disprove?

 

Wala.

 

Nganga lang ang PCGG dyan.

 

 

And why do they need to do that???

 

If its not theirs then why bother to fight it out legally? They don't have any beneficial interest naman even if they win.

[Sam1226]

The point is:

 

It was not proven that the Marcos stole those wealth. The sequestered wealth from the "cronies" were not owned by the Marcoses and are yet to be proven to have come from the Marcoses.

 

Cite me one proof that the Marcoses are "fighting tooth and nail" to keep the wealth? All they ask are proof the the wealth belong to somebody else; Or in the case of sequestered properties, proof that it was really theirs or it was ill-gotten.

 

What "disproving plunder" and "absolving" are you talking about? Nothing has been proven yet. What is there to disprove?

 

Wala.

 

Nganga lang ang PCGG dyan.

 

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/779476/pcgg-bongbong-blocked-return-of-40m-to-govt

[camiar]

 

 

And why do they need to do that???

 

If its not theirs then why bother to fight it out legally? They don't have any beneficial interest naman even if they win.

 

Asking for proof is "fighting tooth and nail"?

 

Indeed, why would they fight for it if they won't benefit from it anyway even if if they win?

 

 

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/779476/pcgg-bongbong-blocked-return-of-40m-to-govt

Read again. The headline does not reflect the true content.

 

BBM was correct in saying why would he release the money he does not possess?

 

It is the government personalities with vested interests who are actually blocking the release.

 

Some PCGG and Human Rights Compensation Commission (HRCC) personalities want the funds for themselves. Ayaw nilang mapunta sa mga claimants. That's why they bloated the number of victim claimants to thousands, so that processing will take decades to finish. Most of the claimants are beyond 60's and 70's in age. A few more years and only a fraction of them are alive to continue with their claims.

Edited November 24, 2016 by camiar

[rooster69ph]

 

Asking for proof is "fighting tooth and nail"?

 

Indeed, why would they fight for it if they won't benefit from it anyway even if if they win?

 

 

 

 

mismo ... so why then should they ask for proof that the wealth belong to somebody else;

Edited November 24, 2016 by rooster69ph

[boy popoy]

So it's the PCGG's word vs. BBM's word. I would believe the latter. So far, I haven't seen proof of where the alleged "hidden wealth" went.

 

 

It went to the pockets of the Marcoses of course. Simple math would show proof. Just ask yourself how they could have amassed billions on their salary.

[rooster69ph]

It went to the pockets of the Marcoses of course. Simple math would show proof. Just ask yourself how they could have amassed billions on their salary.

 

They just can't ... Babalik at babalik sa trump card nilang marcos was never convicted.

[Edmund Dantes]

Kayo naman ini-isnab nyo yun tanong ko...

 

Uulitin ko, please cure my ignorance. Ilang constabulary, pulis, sundalo, at mga commanding officers na ba na direktang nagutos at nagsagawa nng torture, human rights abuse, massacre at kung ano ano pa ang naparusan pagkatapos ng 1986? Nagkaroon ba ng commission para papanagutin ang mga ito? Baka nga namayagpag pa sila lalo at nabuhay ng maginhawa nung mapatalsik si Marcos.

 

Eto talaga kabobohan ng mga me hepatitis. Lagi nyo gusto isumbat sa isang bangkay mga pangaabuso sa karapatang pantao na yan. Kung katarungan talaga hanap nila, bakit hindi nga hanapin ang mga taong tinutukoy ko? Sila yun nagexecute di ba? Sila yun umabuso sa pribilehiyo na meron sila. Si Marcos, pwede ba hukayin bangkay nya tapos paupuin sa witness stand at litisin?

[camiar]

 

 

mismo ... so why then should they ask for proof that the wealth belong to somebody else;

 

 

"Fighting tooth and nail" vs normal legal procedures.

 

The normal legal procedure is to prove that the property rightly belongs to somebody else before the court can decide to take your property way from you.

 

Fighting tooth and nail is resorting to desperate means.

 

Yan ang context ng pinag-uusapan.

 

Kung sasawsaw ka, discuss along the context of the topic. Otherwise, out of place ka, i.e. nangugulo o nagpapapansin ka lang.

[camiar]

Kayo naman ini-isnab nyo yun tanong ko...

 

Uulitin ko, please cure my ignorance. Ilang constabulary, pulis, sundalo, at mga commanding officers na ba na direktang nagutos at nagsagawa nng torture, human rights abuse, massacre at kung ano ano pa ang naparusan pagkatapos ng 1986? Nagkaroon ba ng commission para papanagutin ang mga ito? Baka nga namayagpag pa sila lalo at nabuhay ng maginhawa nung mapatalsik si Marcos.

 

Eto talaga kabobohan ng mga me hepatitis. Lagi nyo gusto isumbat sa isang bangkay mga pangaabuso sa karapatang pantao na yan. Kung katarungan talaga hanap nila, bakit hindi nga hanapin ang mga taong tinutukoy ko? Sila yun nagexecute di ba? Sila yun umabuso sa pribilehiyo na meron sila. Si Marcos, pwede ba hukayin bangkay nya tapos paupuin sa witness stand at litisin?

Hindi ba't binigyan ng general amnesty ni Tia Cory yung mga ex PC, Metrocom, Police, and Military personnel for whatever possible violations they may have done in the course of doing their duties? Paki-confirm....

[rooster69ph]

 

 

"Fighting tooth and nail" vs normal legal procedures.

 

The normal legal procedure is to prove that the property rightly belongs to somebody else before the court can decide to take your property way from you.

 

Fighting tooth and nail is resorting to desperate means.

 

Yan ang context ng pinag-uusapan.

 

Kung sasawsaw ka, discuss along the context of the topic. Otherwise, out of place ka, i.e. nangugulo o nagpapapansin ka lang.

 

Simple lang ang point ko .. about this statement of yours "All they ask are proof the the wealth belong to somebody else; "

 

kung sabi ng Marcos hindi amin yan property, then ano pang pakialam nila kung kanino talaga yun? Bakit kailanga ipaalam sa kanila sino ang real owners. Wala na silang pake dun kasi hindi naman pala sa kanila. Gets?

Edited November 25, 2016 by rooster69ph

[daphne loves derby]

Everyone MUST have a copy of this book

kung may credible book man about sa Martial Law, isa na siguro ito, words from a former marcos servant

 

Controversial book on martial law now available for free

http://www.philstar.com/news-feature/2016/05/20/1585188/controversial-book-martial-law-now-available-free

 

http://media.philstar.com/images/the-philippine-star/headlines/20160520/ps-conjugal-dictatorship.jpg

 

MANILA, Philippines – One of the controversial books detailing the abuses and corruption of the Marcos regime can now be easily accessed.

"The Conjugal Dictatorship of Ferdinand and Imelda Marcos," a book authored by Primitivo Mijares, is now available for free download. It can now be accessed through the Ateneo de Manila University's online hub of the Rizal Library.

Mijares was the former head of the Marcos administration's Media Advisory Council that controlled the local press from May 1973 to November 1974.

He served the Marcos government for three years before defecting from it on February 1975. He eventually sought asylum in the United States (US).

The former Marcos confidant and propagandist went on to testify before US' House international International Committee on June 17, 1975. He was quoted in a Herald-Journal report saying that an aide of the president even tried to offer him a bribe in hopes of keeping him from from testifying.

After the publication of his book, Mijares was nowhere to be found. He was believed to have become a "desaparecido" - a Spanish word that means "disappeared," and a term widely used for individuals who notably took on the government and disappeared during the Martial Law.

[Booblehead]

 

 

Magkano ba ang ginastos ni Makoy dito na galing sa kaban ng bayan at ano ba ang naging silbi nito sa mga Pilipino?

Magkano bayad sa iyo pre?

 

https://philippinesthesickmanofasia.blogspot.com.au/2016/11/biktima-ng-kansas-shuffle-ang-mga.html

[Edmund Dantes]

Hindi ba't binigyan ng general amnesty ni Tia Cory yung mga ex PC, Metrocom, Police, and Military personnel for whatever possible violations they may have done in the course of doing their duties? Paki-confirm....

 

Ayuuuuuun naman pala, binigyan ng Amnesty ni Tita COry! Kung totoo ito, then talagang isa't kalahating bobo ang mga nagproprotesta sa kalye. Natatawa ako sa kabobohan ng mga me hepatitis na ito. Ba't sila kay Marcos nagagalit na hangang ngayon hindi nila makuha katarungan? Eh kung totoong binigyan ng Amnesty ni Tita Cory ang mga ito, marapat siguro na siya itong katiguhin nila. That or talagang si Marcos lang pinuntirya lahat ng kastigo.

 

By nuremberg principles, hindi abswelto mga ito dahil lang sumusunod sila sa utos.