South China/West Philippine Sea

[hit05]

I think the problem here is that China is not thinking but borrowing foreign ideas and producing a cheap version of the original. Its surrogates in MTC are pretending to be Filipinos or maybe they are Filipinos make believing to be Chinese - are presenting defective and out of touch information.

 

Again it is no use citing sources here since it seems your INTERNET is bugged and can no longer access 80% of what is available to the rest of the world. Even the propaganda office is crippled this way because they cannot use the best information before making important decisions.

[hit05]

And that Lady Liberty, in your view, is a false God/false religion of freedom designed to take the Catholic Church out of the equation?

 

 

Chill. This is a wonder for me also when I watched a video documentary (History Channel) about the French Revolution. Such things really happened with Lady Liberty becoming a PAGAN object of worship. But what do you expect? Wasn't the French reeling from starving poverty and ignorance of the commoner? The commoner overpowered the monarchs and eliminated the intelligentsia too.

 

The French may have given Americans the statue of Liberty but you need to understand that while the USA was successful, French democracy was a disaster. After a bloody reign of terror, a non-French Napoleon became military leader of the new nation that ended up in a counter revolution when Napoleon crowned himself emperor.

 

While the USA boasts of a PROVIDENTIAL constitution, there is paranoia of the French that countries loyal to the cross would eventually put them lining up the guillotine haunted them. Maybe what you want to dispute is the thought that while the USA saw God as key, the French confused religion with God and strike him out of nationalism.

Edited December 8, 2013 by hit05

[Larry]

we're mentioning the Mongols now?

[oscartamaguchiblackface]

Seems China blinked on this one..... http://news.yahoo.co...89--sector.html

 

 

China expresses regret over South Korea air defense zone

http://l.yimg.com/a/p/us/news/editorial/d/0c/d0c3eb8ca18907492a4b337b5cec5193.jpeg 3 hours ago

BEIJING (Reuters) - China expressed "regret" on Monday that South Korea had extended its air defense zone to partially overlap with a similar zone declared by Beijing two weeks ago that has raised regional tensions.

 

China's declaration of an air defense identification zonein the East China Sea that includes islands at the heart of a territorial dispute with Japan has triggered protests from the United States and its close allies Japan and South Korea.

 

South Korea said on Sunday that its move to expand its own zone would not infringe on neighboring countries' sovereignty.

 

"China expresses regret over South Korea's expansion of its air defense identification zone," Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei told reporters at a regular press briefing.

 

China had immediately conveyed its concerns to South Korea and requested that Seoul handles the matter "safely and cautiously", Hong said.

 

Hong said the zones, which overlap in an area that includes a submerged reef, called the Suyan Rock by China and Ieodo by South Korea, did not constitute territorial airspace.

 

"There currently does not exist a territorial dispute between China and South Korea on this issue," Hong said, but noted that the reef was situated in portions of both countries' exclusive economic zones.

 

"This can only be resolved through maritime negotiations," Hong said of the economic zone issue, which puts at stake rights to potential underwater oil and gas reserves.

 

South Korea objected to China's November 23 move as unacceptable because of the reef, which has a research station platform built atop it and is controlled by Seoul.

 

Under the Chinese zone's rules, all aircraft have to report flight plans to Chinese authorities, maintain radio contact and reply promptly to identification inquiries.

 

The extension of South Korea's zone, which was originally established by the U.S. Air Force in 1951 during the Korean War, will not apply any restrictions to the operation of commercial flights when it takes effect on December 15.

 

(Reporting by Michael Martina; Editing by Alex Richardson)

Edited December 9, 2013 by oscartamaguchiblackface

[Bugatti Veyron]

China expressed regret? That's a first. Usually that's a line reserved for countries like the Philippines when China is angered.

 

Seems the very close relations between Japan, South Korea and the United States has somehow toned the rhetoric of China. All these countries needed to do is close ranks.

 

The Philippines, Taiwan, Vietnam and other nations opposed to China's claim that the entire China Sea belongs to them should likewise close ranks with these three countries. There is indeed strength in numbers.

[maxiev]

Deng Xiaoping, who advocated adherence to socialism, called it Marxism integrated with Chinese conditions, capitalism with a communist political system. Or something unwieldy like that. Its thrust is developing production capacity as the first step in achieving true Marxist communism.

 

I think understanding what motivates China, and what its mindset is, is key to predicting how it will operate. China needs to feed its people, and that seems a likely motive for some of the interesting moves it has been making in the US, for example, buying huge food production capacity.

 

 

 

 

 

Agree with the motivation part of this. But it isn't as if you are taking a radical position here.

I'm just calling it as I see it Ms. Dungeonbaby. It's been a long time since I've heard from you.

[jacuzzi]

Chill. This is a wonder for me also when I watched a video documentary (History Channel) about the French Revolution. Such things really happened with Lady Liberty becoming a PAGAN object of worship. But what do you expect? Wasn't the French reeling from starving poverty and ignorance of the commoner? The commoner overpowered the monarchs and eliminated the intelligentsia too.

 

The French may have given Americans the statue of Liberty but you need to understand that while the USA was successful, French democracy was a disaster. After a bloody reign of terror, a non-French Napoleon became military leader of the new nation that ended up in a counter revolution when Napoleon crowned himself emperor.

 

While the USA boasts of a PROVIDENTIAL constitution, there is paranoia of the French that countries loyal to the cross would eventually put them lining up the guillotine haunted them. Maybe what you want to dispute is the thought that while the USA saw God as key, the French confused religion with God and strike him out of nationalism.

 

Come to think of it, nationalism is sending the wrong signal to humans because it is anti-Christ.

 

Nationalism is fragmenting the world into smaller and distinct cultural islands. In contrast, all men are called into unity of body and spirit through Christ, Furthermore, Christianity is all about gaining FREEDOM from sin and corruption by following our MASTER liberator Jesus Christ so why must national heroes k*ll to gain freedom or attain the Truth? Are we not familiar with the idea that he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword?

 

National heroes become substitutes for Christ as examples of men we ought to follow, thus the faithful is encouraged to ignore Christ and derail his quest for genuine freedom in nationalism.

 

 

 

 

I suppose the American decision to make Rizal instead of Bonifacio our National Hero is in line with the function of faithfulness to Christ that we ought to emulate. Although there is no way that Rizal can be as reliable and perfect as Christ, at least we are all called to be thoughtful and expressive of national interests focusing on our weaknesses rather than demonstrating misplaced pride. Knowing thyself is the first step to freedom.

 

The NPA and the more militant groups embrace Bonifacio as their hero, but they have been killing their fellow Filipinos ever since. The NPA have become blind disciples of Mao are are now pretending to be Chinese in an effort to dominate the world by trampling on the USA. In other words, they have ditched the Philippines in favor of China where they are now espousing nationhood.

 

 

 

 

 

[tk421]

hokei... this is getting too close to Religion already...

[maxiev]

Come to think of it, nationalism is sending the wrong signal to humans because it is anti-Christ.

Hmm....a unique point of view....

[wackyracer]

Hmm....a unique point of view....

 

... best expounded in another thread

[tk421]

That will not halt China's expansion, merely delay it. Eventually we may end up in option 1, or option 6 (assimilation - a most likely scenario than the former).

[sonnyt111]

http://ph.news.yahoo...-153936547.html

 

Back to regular programming. In this article, a Chinese scholar said that there are 4 ways to settle territorial disputes and these are: war, UN Tribunal, negotiation and mediation.

 

If we take the first option, we'd get smoked by the Chinese. We obviously don't have the firepower to assert our territorial rights. If we take the second option, the Chinese may withdraw from the UNCLOS should the UN rule in favor of the Philippines, so this may be a dead end but still worth a try. The third and fourth options are, in my opinion, a dead end because it seems that the Chinese are stubborn and claim what they want to claim. So, I think a fifth option, US military intervention, in particular, is the only viable option that the Philippines has. A super carrier and its battle group pitching a tent for a number of months or, perhaps, rotating super carriers in the disputed territory would be enough to halt China's expansionist dreams.

I am personally in favor of the fifth option. Let the reds protest in the streets all they like. They're such a small minority anyway and it's a free country.

[sonnyt111]

That will not halt China's expansion, merely delay it. Eventually we may end up in option 1, or option 6 (assimilation - a most likely scenario than the former).

I really doubt the possibility of assimilation. If we had a very small population (say under 1 million people, assimilation would be possible. But we are a nation of about 100 million. How is China going to assimilate a country with so many people?

[tk421]

Not to that extreme. But possible willful annexation or annexation by neglect seems to be a possibility.

 

Remember, we used to have a Pugad island before. Then we got careless, so it was taken over by Vietnam.

Edited December 11, 2013 by tk421

[sonnyt111]

Not to that extreme. But possible willful annexation or annexation by neglect seems to be a possibility.

 

Remember, we used to have a Pugad island before. Then we got careless, so it was taken over by Vietnam.

Annexation cannot be forced upon the Philippines (or any part thereof) like what Japan did in WW 2. This is tantamount to war between China and the USA because our mutual defense treaty would have kicked in by China's forced annexation of any territory within the Philippines.