South China/West Philippine Sea

[TheSmilingBandit]

You don't have to sound so intelligent when talking abt s@%t. its this: you're full of s@%t. Eat it. or maybe sniff it. That's more productive than just putting in on display. Just as what you've done here.

Well it's is obvious that you have neither manners nor intelligence, account suspended for attacking another member.

 

Everyone say bye-bye to Jourdan.

[TheSmilingBandit]

1. I would take it that you're referring to the Spratlys.

 

2. I agree. Quid pro quo.

 

3. In my opinion, the US backed up by the UN can convince China to get China into a round-table talk with the claimants. I'm pretty sure the UNCLOS will be the guide used by the participants in this discussion but China will go vehemently against it. Their historical claim baloney can easily be dismantled. The claimants may use an argument similar to yours to render China's historical claim moot. I see the UNCLOS winning in the end.

 

4. A US victory is assured in the event of a war. I don't think China would be stupid enough to engage the US, unless, it wants the annihilation of the Chinese race.

 

5. Just a question, Isn't the US already exporting to the ASEAN claimants?

 

6. When you say nationalize, do you mean an American take-over?

3. Unfortunately China is also a member of the defense council of the US, thus with VETO rights on the whole UN support.

 

4. A US victory is not assured, their lines of supply will be very extensive and assuming they join in they need basing in the area, remember the combined forces of the other claimants to the Spratley's aren't even 1/10th of the firepower of the PRC. So basically all the rest of us can do is provide R&R facilities and basing facilities for the US forces. The biggest boondoggle here would be the chances that we would try pissing on the US, specially with the people that think we can do it alone.

 

5. Yes, but imagine if the ASEAN claimants stop buying from China (due to the war) and buy from the US instead, how much more income will that be for the US, and how much more of their old factories can they bring out of mothballs.

 

6. Yes.

[TheSmilingBandit]

3. No, what I mean is the UN and the US will talk China into having round-table talks with the ASEAN claimants and Taiwan.

 

4. Yes, I honestly think, the ASEAN alliance would get beaten soundly by China. Of course, we would be providing a halfway house and logistics base for the Yanks. They can use Subic to dock their super carriers, hunter-killers and Ohio class subs. You can bet your bottom dollar that the Japanese and Indians would join in the fray with South Korea keeping North Korea in check. I mean if push comes to shove, the US will take out all the missile silos of the Chinese, bomb its airfields to kingdom come and annihilate all Chinese subs with its superior hunter-killers.

3. Ah, I see what you mean, well we all know how powerless the UN really is. Let's face it the UN is probably even more corrupt that the Philippines.

 

4. As far as "taking out the missile silo's", that would be a problem, if the PRC feels like they have nothing left to lose, what is to prevent them from starting the nuclear fireworks? The MAD is the reason that the PRC remains confident, because while the USN has superior planes the the PLAAF, the PLAAF does have a quantitative superiority, they can lose 4 planes for every 1 the USN loses and still come out on top, not to mention that the Chinese highways (in certain areas) can double as airfields, and to make matters worse, several PLAAF fighters are rough terrain capable. I wouldn't be too sure about the outcome. Perhaps if the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan, and Indonesia were willing to cooperate then maybe there would be a better chance in helping out the US, on the other hand, I think we can safely assume that the spoiled brats that are the ASEAN can talk as if they were the big boys, but in truth they are pretty much looking for the US or Russia (in the case of Vietnam) to help them out.

[tk421]

Also the last time I heard, the US' F-22 Raptor fleet are grounded because of a glitch in pilot's oxygen supply.

 

Besides, when it comes to 1-on-1 dog fights, Raptors are outmatched. Their strength lies in delivering surprise (long-range) attacks and bugging out.

 

And responding to that 'peace and friendship' stance of China - they doesn't seem to be exhibiting that in the Spratly's disbute.

 

An observation: It's really funny how many Filipinos are willing to sell their country for personal gains, no? It's really a strange world we live in.

[tk421]

Personally though, I wouldn't bet on the US helping us in this dispute if ever it degenerates into a shooting battle. I mean, yeah, they're acting as a deterrent now because of the VFA and all. But if China calls our bluff and starts a shooting spree, I don't think the US can help us in any way... except diplomatically.

[tk421]

I wouldn't call it dis-information if our other ASEAN neighbors are also reporting the same thing. Unless it's also a dis-information campaign from them to also get more military aid from the US.

[TheSmilingBandit]

Tactically, the US will not put a carrier battlegroup in the West Philippine Sea in a shooting match unless the admiral's brain is addled. The area is too confined.

I agree, the South China Sea is definitely too confined to use carriers in, in fact the USN and the USAF should use the Philippine Islands as their unsinkable carriers against the PRC.

 

how can they exibit friendship when in fact. We have shown agressiveness against china. By sending our frigate.. We should have send instead diplomats to Beijing. To lay the policy of friendship and welcome stay. In our part of the spratlys.

I agree, the PRC is being friendly, the same way Adolf Hitler and the Nazis were to Czechoslovakia and Poland and the Low Nations and Denmark and Norway.

 

and this so called chinese intrusion. Maybe this is a dis information campaign of our government. To get more military aid from america. The U.s. Congress should investigate this. Incident. To make sure about the exact picture. To avoid mistakes on whos lying to who?

I suppose that would depend on how you define intrusion.

[tk421]

if thats the case. We would be destroyed in an american led war.. We should kick this yankees out to save our country.

 

If we can do that to the 'yankees', why can't we do the same to China?

[TheSmilingBandit]

intrusion its an illegal act of entering ,seizing or taking possession of anothers property.. 2. Act or instance of thrusting or forcing in without invitation! In all meaning of the word it is us who violated their share of that area by sending ships. To bully them. And they just acted in self defense.

And how do you rationalize that? It could be argued that the PRC sent ships to bully the Philippines also.

 

I don't quite follow. Are you saying that the US will launch attacks to China using airfields in the Philippines?

I'm not sure they would go that far, at least not without a firmer alliance with Russia and/or India, but instead of risking their carriers, they can use our airfields which would ensure that they have a place to land at the end of the day.

 

if thats the case. We would be destroyed in an american led war.. We should kick this yankees out to save our country.

In my personal opinion, I would prefer to be under the USA than the PRC.

[TheSmilingBandit]

right now the americans have illegally occuppied our country. Thru the vfa. And they have in place a puppet government. China is not occuppying anything. So we cant kick them out. Coz they are not in.. The best thing that could happen is the puppet governments of the yankees here.. Lose the election. And the new democratic government could cry for help. Definitely Beijing will respond and they will liberate us. Base on the three world theory.

The PRC is illegally occupying Tibet, as for the Americans, they gave us freedom back in 1946, something they didn't have to do. In fact if you look at the various American territories (i.e. Guam, Northern Samoa, etc. etc.) they are in pretty decent financial shape, something most of the provinces of China, aside from the tourist destinations, do not have.

 

what kind of ships. We send a frigate heavily armed with an anti ship gun.. They only send a surveillance un armed ships. To suggest we must not enter their part of that area.. They have more yes because they are richer. Are they aggressive no.

Un-armed surveillance ships? Are you certain about that? Last I heard the 53H3's come equipped with 16 surface to surface missiles and dual 100mm anti-ship guns. Doesn't sound too unarmed to me. Edited December 10, 2012 by TheSmilingBandit

[tk421]

Now I see. Every country is wrong - except China.

[tk421]

"ASEAN intruders"... Am still trying to wrap my head around that. Wow.

[tk421]

Hmmm... I'm starting to even wonder why you keep referring to the Philippines as 'our' country...

 

Maybe all those new military purchases are in response to that new aircraft carrier and stealth planes and increased missiles that China is producing?

[TheSmilingBandit]

The PRC is as peaceful as the 3rd Reich was under Uncle Adolf. :lol:

[tk421]

^thats your speculation. Here is the real picture those new weaponry were bought to contain piracy in somalia.. Its just a coincidence that the time of the purchase. Hostile acts were committed by our country and other asean members.

 

Maybe we should just all disarm pull our collective pants down and lean over, right? Oh... except China and Nazis, of course.