Team Pilipinas Basketball

[CELTS]

we do have deadly 3 pt shooters, the only problem is they're SHORT deadly 3 pt shooters na mabilis ang release, eh madikitan lang ng opposing player and mga 2/3 natin sa smart gilas, mintis na.

nung time nina caidic, caidic was not just a deadly 3 pt shooter, he was extremely deadly with a fast release, and at 6-2 he was tall enough for that era to dominate as a 2/3.

sa ngayon, a 2/3 should be 6-5 and fast to have a chance on the defense side, and that's where we are losing.

groan.

 

 

MISMO!!!

 

It is said to win we need height and speed. Unfortunately, some just don't see this going hand in hand. Just because we have a couple of 7 footers then we got height. Just because we got a speedy backcout then we also have speed. Put those two together and we're competitive because we now got speed and height.

 

At the guard position, our flat 6 ft shooters will be hounded by 6'5" who are as quick as they are. As to the Bigs, the likes of Japeth and Greg will be pitted against opponents of the same height but maybe with more bulk and more athletic.

 

Rome was not built in a day or a year ... same goes for this team. Don't expect things to happen overnight. If this team is competitive enough would you think coach RAJO will still knock on the doors of the PBA to send the league his wish list? And as one may asked me again ...my answer is HELL NO!!!

[Guest hastati]

we do have deadly 3 pt shooters, the only problem is they're SHORT deadly 3 pt shooters na mabilis ang release, eh madikitan lang ng opposing player and mga 2/3 natin sa smart gilas, mintis na.

nung time nina caidic, caidic was not just a deadly 3 pt shooter, he was extremely deadly with a fast release, and at 6-2 he was tall enough for that era to dominate as a 2/3.

sa ngayon, a 2/3 should be 6-5 and fast to have a chance on the defense side, and that's where we are losing.

groan.

This concern of yours can be remedied by high picks that will be set-up by the small forward or point guard. Just curious, since you said Caidic and the current 2-guard have quick releases, there won't be a problem as to the time needed to release the shot. Even Caidic had a problem shooting if the defender used a leech-like defense on him. If you wathced the Asian Games in 1990, Caidic had a difficult time against China coz the Chinese used a leech-like defense on him. Caidic also needed screens before shooting.

[Guest hastati]

MISMO!!!

 

It is said to win we need height and speed. Unfortunately, some just don't see this going hand in hand. Just because we have a couple of 7 footers then we got height. Just because we got a speedy backcout then we also have speed. Put those two together and we're competitive because we now got speed and height.-Isn't height what we need in order to be able to match-up with opponents that have tall players? Masasagot mo kaya to?

At the guard position, our flat 6 ft shooters will be hounded by 6'5" who are as quick as they are. As to the Bigs, the likes of Japeth and Greg will be pitted against opponents of the same height but maybe with more bulk and more athletic.-The fact is we now have the height to match-up with tall teams. As I said in my previous post, SG's shooters can be freed up by picks or didn't you even think about it? But if you didn't, I wouldn't be surprised. If leading Iran to the Olympics doesn't speak volumes as to the genius of Toroman, then I don't know what will. Take note, in terms of talent, SG is better than Iran.

Rome was not built in a day or a year ... same goes for this team. Don't expect things to happen overnight. If this team is competitive enough would you think coach RAJO will still knock on the doors of the PBA to send the league his wish list? And as one may asked me again ...my answer is HELL NO!!!-He only got one player if I'm not mistaken, Kelly Williams. I am still firm in my belief that SG will land in the top 3 in the Asiad.

[Liar]

Sir Hastati mukhang para sa inyo pinagbibigyan lamang ng Gilas ang Iran sa pagkakaalam ko po ay hindi pa nananalo ang Gilas sa Iran kahit saang tournament sila nagtagpo. Sa pagkakataong ito hindi pa naglaro un c centro nila na NBA player at tambak pa rin tayo. Mukhang partida pa ata at may jet lag pa sila dahil kadarating lang nila at unang laban nila ang Gilas team.

 

Tulad ng sinabi ni Amante, olats tayo sa mga hapon at nangailangan pa ng OT sa mga Taiwanese na kahit na parehong mga Tsino ay hamak namang mas magagaling ang nga mainlanders.

 

 

[Guest hastati]

Sir Hastati mukhang para sa inyo pinagbibigyan lamang ng Gilas ang Iran sa pagkakaalam ko po ay hindi pa nananalo ang Gilas sa Iran kahit saang tournament sila nagtagpo. Sa pagkakataong ito hindi pa naglaro un c centro nila na NBA player at tambak pa rin tayo. Mukhang partida pa ata at may jet lag pa sila dahil kadarating lang nila at unang laban nila ang Gilas team.-Did I even imply na pinagbibigyan ng SG ang Iran? Sa pagkakaalam mo. Kelan ka ba pinanganak at hindi mo alam na tinatambakan lang dati yan ng RP ang Iran? Naging competitive lang naman yan ang Iran yung si Toroman na naging coach.

Tulad ng sinabi ni Amante, olats tayo sa mga hapon at nangailangan pa ng OT sa mga Taiwanese na kahit na parehong mga Tsino ay hamak namang mas magagaling ang nga mainlanders.-Better use your real nick or perhaps your second nick. Basahin mo kasi tulad ng sinabi ko sayo ilang beses na na ito ay warm-up tournament lang. Hindi naman ng SG magpakita ng gilas sa tournament na to.

[Liar]

 

Sir Hastati, ang pinaguusapan po ay Gilas team vs. Iran. E dati rati lagi tayong kampeon sa Asia e ngayon makapasok lang sa semis hirap pa tayo.

 

Caidic uses screens and picks to his advantage but if the defense is still on him, he would use his pump fake to throw the opponent offguard to release his shot. Since Caidic stop playing I have not seen a Filipino player who is as deadly as the triggerman. If there is one in this Gilas team that is as good a shooter as the triggerman then problem solved! But WHO???

 

For someone that thinks that ONLY HEIGHT is required to match-up with an opponent that is as tall but would be the better athelete ... just like saying that China could beat the US since Yao can match-up with Howard. The Chinese guard and forwards are both quick and tall just like thier US counterparts like CP3, Kidd, Deron W. Kobe, LBJ, Melo, Wade, Bosh etc. So why could these Chinese not be top 3 in the World?

 

 

 

 

[Guest hastati]

Sir Hastati, ang pinaguusapan po ay Gilas team vs. Iran. E dati rati lagi tayong kampeon sa Asia e ngayon makapasok lang sa semis hirap pa tayo.-Sa pagkakaalam ko, ngayon lang ang SG at ang Iran nagtagpo.

 

Caidic uses screens and picks to his advantage but if the defense is still on him, he would use his pump fake to throw the opponent offguard to release his shot. Since Caidic stop playing I have not seen a Filipino player who is as deadly as the triggerman. If there is one in this Gilas team that is as good a shooter as the triggerman then problem solved! But WHO???-You haven't seen a shooter as deadly as the triggerman? Kilala mo ba sina Caguioa, Miller, Racela, Seigle, at James Yap? Casio and Barroca are good shooters. Hindi pa naman final ang line-up para sa Asiad.

For someone that thinks that ONLY HEIGHT is required to match-up with an opponent that is as tall but would be the better athelete ... just like saying that China could beat the US since Yao can match-up with Howard. The Chinese guard and forwards are both quick and tall just like thier US counterparts like CP3, Kidd, Deron W. Kobe, LBJ, Melo, Wade, Bosh etc. So why could these Chinese not be top 3 in the World?-Alam mo peithe or celts or liar, Toroman is doing a good job of whipping SG into shape by making them play in a couple of international tournaments before the Asiad. To answer your question peithe, the level of basketball in China is much lower than the top 3 in the world which I would presume are Argentina, Spain and the US and not necessarily in that order meaning the players of these countries are much more athletic, are better shooters/passers and are more physical

Edited July 20, 2010 by hastati

[alpardpba]

yeah caidic was hounded, but not just by 1 player but by 2 players most of the time, now if there was another caidic on that squad, those teams would be punished for the double-teams; still, caidic represented the philippines well nung time niya, respected by foreign teams.

high-screens are good, pero if run repeatedly, i'm pretty sure foreign teams will/would adjust accordingly and expose our limitations in terms of height at the 2/3.

caidic was good for the 2/3, but then that was 20 years ago :-)

 

pero siguro nga madami pang mangyayari, hopefully players like jamesyap will suit up for the asian games. also mahirap din talaga kasi iba-iba ang style ng mga teams pero limited ka lang to 12 (15?) players, so swertihan din. and then kahit prepared ka, pwede ma-undo lahat by spotty officiating or by ref/s with an agenda.

 

yung china team, untouchable si yao, pero their team has trouble sa 1 positiion -- yung guards ng ibang teams (and particularly usa) would expose the spotty ballhandling-passing ng pg ng china, no doubt the chinese pg have height and speed-athleticism, pero the pg position needs skills and yun ang kulang sila. yung pg natin, kulang sa height so pwede talaga ma-expose sa defense, pero sa speed and playmaking ability, i would say ok na tayo sa 1.

[Guest hastati]

yeah caidic was hounded, but not just by 1 player but by 2 players most of the time, now if there was another caidic on that squad, those teams would be punished for the double-teams; still, caidic represented the philippines well nung time niya, respected by foreign teams.

high-screens are good, pero if run repeatedly, i'm pretty sure foreign teams will/would adjust accordingly and expose our limitations in terms of height at the 2/3.

caidic was good for the 2/3, but then that was 20 years ago :-)-I think Toroman will adjust accordingly and he'll remedy a mismatch when he sees one.

pero siguro nga madami pang mangyayari, hopefully players like jamesyap will suit up for the asian games. also mahirap din talaga kasi iba-iba ang style ng mga teams pero limited ka lang to 12 (15?) players, so swertihan din. and then kahit prepared ka, pwede ma-undo lahat by spotty officiating or by ref/s with an agenda.-Yup just like our first game in the 2007 FIBA-Asia nung tinawagan ng technical si Chot against Iran.

 

yung china team, untouchable si yao, pero their team has trouble sa 1 positiion -- yung guards ng ibang teams (and particularly usa) would expose the spotty ballhandling-passing ng pg ng china, no doubt the chinese pg have height and speed-athleticism, pero the pg position needs skills and yun ang kulang sila. yung pg natin, kulang sa height so pwede talaga ma-expose sa defense, pero sa speed and playmaking ability, i would say ok na tayo sa 1.-Yao won't be playing for China this Asiad but Yi will. China but will be hard to beat but not as hard without Yao.

Edited July 20, 2010 by hastati

[Liar]

@Hastati, this will prove that your knowledge that this is only the 1st time that Gilas lost to Iran is wrong. http://philbuzz.com/story.php?title=tough-iran-5-crushes-gilas-rp

 

Regarding the players you just mentioned which you said are as deadly as the triggerman, well let their international record speak for themselves. I believe all of them have been part of the PBA selection that represented the country in international tourneys and I don't concur. However, am just wondering why you mentioned these names when in fact they are not part of the Gilas team. So how can these players you mentioned that supposedly is as good as the triggerman help Gilas cause in getting a top 3 finish in the upcoming Asiad.

 

 

"the level of basketball in China is much lower than the top 3 in the world which I would presume are Argentina, Spain and the US and not necessarily in that order meaning the players of these countries are much more athletic, are better shooters/passers and are more physical " - What then makes you not think that players in the Asian region have not become much more athletic, better shooters/passers and are more physical than our local boys? For all you know the analogy is that just like China who is lording it over the Asian region The Philippines does too in the SEA Region but if competition becomes a notch higher ie. world for China and Asiad for RP then both are no longer top 3 material at this point. I think until proven otherwise, this theory holds.

 

:DI think I've said enough and your arguments are straying away ... I REST MY CASE AS I'VE SHOWN MY POINT!

 

 

[Guest hastati]

 

Regarding the players you just mentioned which you said are as deadly as the triggerman, well let their international record speak for themselves. I believe all of them have been part of the PBA selection that represented the country in international tourneys and I don't concur. However, am just wondering why you mentioned these names when in fact they are not part of the Gilas team. So how can these players you mentioned that supposedly is as good as the triggerman help Gilas cause in getting a top 3 finish in the upcoming Asiad.-peithe aka celts aka liar aka laker bandwagoner, wasn't this what you said in your earlier post "Since Caidic stop playing I have not seen a Filipino player who is as deadly as the triggerman". I just mentioned to you names of players who are good shooters just like Caidic.

 

 

"the level of basketball in China is much lower than the top 3 in the world which I would presume are Argentina, Spain and the US and not necessarily in that order meaning the players of these countries are much more athletic, are better shooters/passers and are more physical " - What then makes you not think that players in the Asian region have not become much more athletic, better shooters/passers and are more physical than our local boys? For all you know the analogy is that just like China who is lording it over the Asian region The Philippines does too in the SEA Region but if competition becomes a notch higher ie. world for China and Asiad for RP then both are no longer top 3 material at this point. I think until proven otherwise, this theory holds.-Of course, players from other countries in Asia have improved athletically and skillwise but the top 3 teams in the world are a cut or two above them. I already said my point earlier that SG has the height and speed to match-up with China, Iran, Lebanon, etc.

 

:DI think I've said enough and your arguments are straying away ... I REST MY CASE AS I'VE SHOWN MY POINT!-You should have rested your case much, much earlier. By the way, decide which nick you wanna use. Puede ba next time ang gamitin mong nick ay lakerbandwagoner?

[dencio]

You haven't seen a shooter as deadly as the triggerman? Kilala mo ba sina Caguioa, Miller, Racela, Seigle, at James Yap? Casio and Barroca are good shooters. Hindi pa naman final ang line-up para sa Asiad.

 

^^Comparing those players to Allan Caidic is a disservice to the Triggerman. Unfortunately, PBA stats aren't readily available on the 'net to back this up (if there is, appreciate if you can share the link). But the legendary shooting of Caidic is known far and wide. 20 years ago in Beijing, the Chinese were asked if they know any of Philippines' pro players - and the only name they mentioned was Caidic - the shooter. In an All-Star 3-pt contest a few years back, a long retired Caidic beat out several pros tow in the title. And, correct me if i am wrong, he still holds the PBA single game record for most Pts and 3s. Beat that!

 

Kung sila ay kasing galing ni Caidic dapat matagal na tayong nanalo ng Asian Games o FIBA Asia.

[Guest hastati]

You haven't seen a shooter as deadly as the triggerman? Kilala mo ba sina Caguioa, Miller, Racela, Seigle, at James Yap? Casio and Barroca are good shooters. Hindi pa naman final ang line-up para sa Asiad.

 

^^Comparing those players to Allan Caidic is a disservice to the Triggerman. Unfortunately, PBA stats aren't readily available on the 'net to back this up (if there is, appreciate if you can share the link). But the legendary shooting of Caidic is known far and wide. 20 years ago in Beijing, the Chinese were asked if they know any of Philippines' pro players - and the only name they mentioned was Caidic - the shooter. In an All-Star 3-pt contest a few years back, a long retired Caidic beat out several pros tow in the title. And, correct me if i am wrong, he still holds the PBA single game record for most Pts and 3s. Beat that!

 

Kung sila ay kasing galing ni Caidic dapat matagal na tayong nanalo ng Asian Games o FIBA Asia.

Bakit? Si Caidic lang ba ang player ng national team na magaling? The reason we won second place in the 1990 Asiad was coz of the coaching of Jawo. Our tallest player was only 6'5, si Realubit yet we managed to win a silver. Nung Centennial team, we only managed a bronze inspite of a 6'9 Aquino and a 7'0 Feihl with Caidic. Nung 1994, nandun si Caidic sa national team to the Asiad, bakit hindi tayo nanalo ng medal? Fans of Caidic will think of this statement as sacrilege but I'll say that mas madaling bantayan si Caidic kaysa kina Caguioa and Miller. You're glorifying Caidic too much.

Edited July 20, 2010 by hastati

[howarddeduct]

If we were grouped with South Korea in 1990, would we have won silver?

[photographer]

Basta, our neighbors' sports program (and that includes basketball) leapt by hundred folds pero dito sa atin medyo stagnant. Other national teams have improved a lot (well, they also have those tall players to rely on), the Philippines, with all the political savored programs, ganun pa rin. Its not that we have moved backward, its just that our neighbors have sports programs sponsored by politics-free people. Imagine, Japan, Korea na hindi naman basketball ang national pasttime nila, tinatalo pa tayo. Ni wala sa isip ng majority ng population nila ang basketball......baseball and/or soccer pa! I have watched Philippines vs. Lebanon last night and watched the fighting Philippine contingent slug it out with the Middle Eastern team kaya lang may laki at, to top it all, may bilis and great teammanship ang Lebanon talaga. Sayang ang pagod at pagsisisikap ng SG. They have the heart, they have the motivation with bossing MP and nice coach in Toroman, BUT still the factors of a great basketball team is still not there.