hopia_mani_papkorn Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Actually .. If you try to watch the Euro League ... Their rules are more of FIBA type ... That's why they don't have a hard time playing in FIBA tournaments ... Actually ... The NCC team have won the Jones Cup before participating in the PBA ... By that time .. They have nothing much to prove since everything was already in place ... The NCC Team was a guest team ... But was part of the tournament .. Eventually winning the Reinforced Conference against the Francois Wise powered Manila Beer team via sweep ... 4 -0 ... They Won the Asian Youth ... Participated in the ABC Tournament in Qatar (they were disqualified then) .. World Cup for Champion Clubs (with the Americans ... Oscar Schmidt powered Brazil (lost by 1 point) ... and the Dino Meneghin powered Italian Club (RP won by 10 points) .... Jones Cup champions ... and eventually winning the 1985 ABC Championship ... Quote Link to comment
Guest megalodon Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Actually .. If you try to watch the Euro League ... Their rules are more of FIBA type ... That's why they don't have a hard time playing in FIBA tournaments ...Correct Actually ... The NCC team have won the Jones Cup before participating in the PBA ... By that time .. They have nothing much to prove since everything was already in place ... The NCC Team was a guest team ... But was part of the tournament .. Eventually winning the Reinforced Conference against the Francois Wise powered Manila Beer team via sweep ... 4 -0 ...-As I said in my earlier post, it is easier for players who have played under FIBA rules to adjust to pro rules like the NBA or PBA since the pro rules are more lenient. They Won the Asian Youth ... Participated in the ABC Tournament in Qatar (they were disqualified then) .. World Cup for Champion Clubs (with the Americans ... Oscar Schmidt powered Brazil (lost by 1 point) ... and the Dino Meneghin powered Italian Club (RP won by 10 points) .... Jones Cup champions ... and eventually winning the 1985 ABC Championship ...-As early as that time, Coach Jacobs was already using a European style program which is why NCC held a candle against any team in Asia. Quote Link to comment
CELTS Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Lahat naman ng EURO players have played under FIBA rules at one point or the other. as such if yan ang batayan dapat lahat sila nakapag-adjust tulad ni Gasol? Pero bakit ang tulad ni Darko M hindi naging maganda ang adjustment sa NBA?-I was talking European players in general. Just look at the European players in the NBA. If there are 50 of them, about 40 are either part of the starting 5 or productive bench players like Rudy Fernandez. Why don't you take a look at how they play. With the exception of Dirk Nowitzki, almost all the Euro players are excellent support players like Stojakovic. Ang hina ng pick up mo. Ganun ka pa din kabopols? Hindi ako mahina umintindi ... its just that you can't express yourself freely. Look at your previous post, you stated EUROPEAN PLAYERS ... not European Player "IN GENERAL" as you're stating now. There is a bid difference there. Then again, even American players have played under FIBA rules whiles they're not yet in the NBA. So how come some find it difficult to adjust once they are in the big league? Hindi naman FIBA rules ang NCAA rules. May pagkakaiba. Tignan mo ng mabuti bago ka magsalita. Magbasa ka din maige bago ka mag-react. I said "even American players have played under FIBA rules whiles they're not yet in the NBA". Did I specifically mentioned NCAA? Ang sinabi ko lang "even american players have played under FIBA rules". Kaya nga sinabi ko ang main consideration (to be able to adjust) would be the talent/skill of the player (and not merely being able to play under FIBA rules) since all of them have played under FIBA rules one way or the other.- I was merely stating that it is easier for a player who played under FIBA rules to adjust to NBA rules. Nice alternick peithe. All i am saying here is having played fiba brand of ball is not the sole basis since there are other factors like talent/skills to consider. I guess this is non debatable since ikaw na rin nagsabi "you're talking in general" so that means its not a fool proof that those with fiba experience will have an easy time adjusting I just wonder why you always react negatively when challenged? Quote Link to comment
Guest megalodon Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 (edited) Lahat naman ng EURO players have played under FIBA rules at one point or the other. as such if yan ang batayan dapat lahat sila nakapag-adjust tulad ni Gasol? Pero bakit ang tulad ni Darko M hindi naging maganda ang adjustment sa NBA?-I was talking European players in general. Just look at the European players in the NBA. If there are 50 of them, about 40 are either part of the starting 5 or productive bench players like Rudy Fernandez. Why don't you take a look at how they play. With the exception of Dirk Nowitzki, almost all the Euro players are excellent support players like Stojakovic. Ang hina ng pick up mo. Ganun ka pa din kabopols? Hindi ako mahina umintindi ... its just that you can't express yourself freely. Look at your previous post, you stated EUROPEAN PLAYERS ... not European Player "IN GENERAL" as you're stating now. There is a bid difference there. -Oh so I need to say "in general" just for you to understand. It's a given unless of course you're obtuse which obviously you are since you can't comprehend unless it is really specified with the phrase "in general". Oh well, ganun talaga pag bopols. Mahina ang pick-up. Then again, even American players have played under FIBA rules whiles they're not yet in the NBA. So how come some find it difficult to adjust once they are in the big league? Hindi naman FIBA rules ang NCAA rules. May pagkakaiba. Tignan mo ng mabuti bago ka magsalita. Magbasa ka din maige bago ka mag-react. I said "even American players have played under FIBA rules whiles they're not yet in the NBA". Did I specifically mentioned NCAA? Ang sinabi ko lang "even american players have played under FIBA rules".-Then where were the NBA players before they got into the NBA? Diba NCAA or straight from highschool which don't exactly have FIBA rules. Hina talaga ng basketball comprehension mo. Kaya nga sinabi ko ang main consideration (to be able to adjust) would be the talent/skill of the player (and not merely being able to play under FIBA rules) since all of them have played under FIBA rules one way or the other.- I was merely stating that it is easier for a player who played under FIBA rules to adjust to NBA rules. Nice alternick peithe. All i am saying here is having played fiba brand of ball is not the sole basis since there are other factors like talent/skills to consider. I guess this is non debatable since ikaw na rin nagsabi "you're talking in general" so that means its not a fool proof that those with fiba experience will have an easy time adjusting-Did I say it's the sole basis? Did you even read my post thoroughly? All I said was Euro players have an easier time adjusting to NBA rules since it is more lenient than FIBA rules. Anong mahirap intindihin dun? Oops! I forgot. You can't easily comprehend. Just like the Gasol-Bynum argument.I just wonder why you always react negatively when challenged? I don't react negatively when challenged. It's just that I find obtuse people like you annoying. Edited November 7, 2009 by megalodon Quote Link to comment
CELTS Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Hindi ako mahina umintindi ... its just that you can't express yourself freely. Look at your previous post, you stated EUROPEAN PLAYERS ... not European Player "IN GENERAL" as you're stating now. There is a bid difference there. -Oh so I need to say "in general" just for you to understand. It's a given unless of course you're obtuse which obviously you are since you can't comprehend unless it is really specified with the phrase "in general". Oh well, ganun talaga pag bopols. Mahina ang pick-up. again i guess u have a problem expressing yourself. don't expect people to read your mind. sometimes a single word changes the meaning it implies Magbasa ka din maige bago ka mag-react. I said "even American players have played under FIBA rules whiles they're not yet in the NBA". Did I specifically mentioned NCAA? Ang sinabi ko lang "even american players have played under FIBA rules".-Then where were the NBA players before they got into the NBA? Diba NCAA or straight from highschool which isn't exactly FIBA rules. Hina talaga ng basketball comprehension mo. i believe usa also plays in other fiba sanctioned tournaments right? and i supposed these are not nba players that represents the country in these I just wonder why you always react negatively when challenged? I don't react negatively when challenged. It's just that I find obtuse people like you annoying. hahaha...PIKON!!!! e di inamin mo din that i get into your nerves Quote Link to comment
Guest megalodon Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 (edited) hahaha...PIKON!!!! e di inamin mo din that i get into your nervesUhm, you wished. Tinatawanan lang kita. Pathetic. Nagalternick ka pa para pansinin kita. Tsk tsk. Other people would get what I'm saying. Ikaw lang naman yung bopols na hindi makakuha sa sinabi ko. Oh well, once a bopols, always a bopols. Edited November 4, 2009 by megalodon Quote Link to comment
CELTS Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Uhm, you wished. Tinatawanan lang kita. Pathetic. Nagalternick ka pa para pansinin kita. Tsk tsk. Other people would get what I'm saying. Ikaw lang naman yung bopols na hindi makakuha sa sinabi ko. Oh well, once a bopols, always a bopols. I don't have to ... inamin mo nag nga that you GET ANNOYED!!! Tumawa ka hanggang gusto mo... either that is your security blanket or NABABALIW ka na!!! :thumbsupsmiley: Quote Link to comment
Agent_mulder Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 OT na kayong 2 ha hehe. Quote Link to comment
rakizta Posted November 6, 2009 Author Share Posted November 6, 2009 palagi na lang OT yan mga yan.....hehehe cancel na pala mga talo nila sa PBAtsaka wag na sa PBA sila mag practice nagugulo lang yung liga Quote Link to comment
catsumhoto Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 finally a win for the gilas boys over the coke tigers... however since its only a tune up game we will never know whether the gilas boys have really improve or not. Quote Link to comment
Agent_mulder Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 (edited) palagi na lang OT yan mga yan.....hehehe cancel na pala mga talo nila sa PBAtsaka wag na sa PBA sila mag practice nagugulo lang yung liga Tingin ko nga din tama lang na 'wag na silang mag-practice sa PBA, kung ganyan lang din na no bearing ang mga laro nila which makes their win or loss to the PBA teams no effect with the win-loss card ng mga teams, ano pa ang purpose o silbi ng pagsali nila sa PBA for this conference? Also, baka maapektuhan pa ang european/FIBA style of plays instilled to them by Toroman, baka kasi masanay sila sa PBA style of play which is not far-fetched as they also have to adopt to the rules of the said pro league and to the style of plays.. finally a win for the gilas boys over the coke tigers... however since its only a tune up game we will never know whether the gilas boys have really improve or not. Obviously hirap ang SG without Giles (and possbily another naturalized player) who is worried about the condition of his son back in the U.S. hence he can''t and focus, maybe the SBP ought to look for someone else who can not only commit but can also do the job for them lalo na sa international competition. They might have guys like Al-Husseini, Ballesteros, Slaughter and some other tall players in their pool pero mahihirapan ang mga 'to sa international competition as they are used to playing a position wherein kasing-taas lang nila 'yung mga shooting guard/small forward ng national teams ng ibang bansa.. Edited November 7, 2009 by Agent_mulder Quote Link to comment
ray004 Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 in my opinion..smart gilas need all the help they can get since the government can't give them full support financially. pba is the only league they can get a quick help. Quote Link to comment
rakizta Posted November 7, 2009 Author Share Posted November 7, 2009 sana dun na lang sila sumali sa ABLyung league na sinalihan ng RP-Patriots medyo ka match pa nila yung mga yun Quote Link to comment
Agent_mulder Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 sana dun na lang sila sumali sa ABLyung league na sinalihan ng RP-Patriots medyo ka match pa nila yung mga yun One team per country lang yata sa ABL, its a good suggestion though lalo na at may 2 imports ang mga teams na naglalaro sa regional league na 'to, dami ngang mga Pinoy players na naglalaro para sa ibang bansa (i.e. Adriano, Avenido at Camaso for Brunei) among other PBA, PBL. and ex-collegiate players.. Quote Link to comment
rakizta Posted November 8, 2009 Author Share Posted November 8, 2009 one representative lang pala for every country....sayang maganda pa naman sana yung ganon kse liga at swak sa program ng Smart-Gilaspwede sila sa Jones Cup or kahit anong liga invitational sa ibang bansa wag lang pang inter-brgy na liga....hehehhe Quote Link to comment
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