MTC HRD Thread

[Tokoy]

Good Day HR posters and residents!

 

Well this thread is not rolling much. Maybe all is fine with the human relations in the workplace. I hope so?

 

I want to share this information i got lately from one of my seminar. This maybe is disturbing but try to keep an open mind on this matter.

 

An asian profile regarding which country has the highest labor cost. The Philippines rank 3rd. Singapore being the first. Do you think its a nice fact? maybe? or maybe not? but take a look at the quality output, among the 12 countries being studied our Philippines second, second starting at the bottom. Now that's bad news. How would capital find its way to Philippines if that is the statistics. I think we have to do something about this because everyear we are producing unemployed people at the double or triple digit rate.

[Reese]

these figures are alarming.

 

so to all the HR peeps here, u have a suggested remedy for this?

[Reese]

ow plak! can't edit my message again.

 

sa mga naguluhan like me, what i meant was ano solusyon to lower labor costs? kse if u cud see the current rates, as in kulang na kulang pa rin yon sa cost of living nowadays tapos mataas pa raw yon.

 

san tayo tatakbo? emote mode.

 

:cry:

[Guest kizmet]

tough question..

 

here's more...

 

by next year quota free na... bad news for manufacturing/exporter companies... expect na magboom low labor cost countries....

[poor_tao]

MGA HRD PIPOL!! MAY QUESTION PO ULI AKO SA INYO... SHIFTING KASI ANG SCHEDULE NAMIN DITO. 3 SHIFTS A DAY TO BE EXACT. (6-2, 2-10, 10-6).

 

NGAYON, ANG KATANUNGAN KO AY GANITO:

 

HALIMBAWA HOLIDAY NGAYON (NOV30),

 

ANG MGA OT BA NA DAPAT I-FILE NG BAWAT SHIFT BA AY GANITO:

 

 

6-2 = 8 HRS

2-10 = 8 HRS

10-6 = 2 HRS (FROM NOV30 10PM - DEC1 12AM)

 

 

MEDYO CONFUSED LANG KASI KAMI. KASI KUNG ICONSIDER NATIN NA GALING NG REST DAY LAHAT NG 3 SHIFT. LUGI YUNG PANG 10-6 NA HINDI NAMAN DAPAT DAHIL PAREHAS SILANG NAGDUTY PARA SA ARAW NA YUN. DAPAT BA ICUT YUNG OT HRS NG PANG 10-6 SA 12AM DAHIL HINDI NA NOV30 YUNG DUTY NYA FROM 12AM-6AM.

 

KASI KUNG GANUN ANG BASEHAN. HALIMBAWA REST DAY NG 10-6 KINABUKASAN. EH DI DAPAT PWEDE NYA I-FILE NA DUTY ON REST DAY YUNG FROM 12AM-6AM NYA?

 

 

PARANG DI KASI FAIR YUNG GANUNG SISTEMA. EH GANUN ANG SISTEMA DITO SA AMIN. LUGI TALAGA YUNG 10-6. OK LANG SANA KUNG YUNG HOLIDAY AY NAPAGITNAAN NG DUTY NYA KAYA PASOK PA RIN YUNG 8 HRS (SAME EXAMPLE NOV30 12AM-6AM TAPOS YUNG 2 HRS NA DUTY NYA ULI KINAGABIHAN NOV30 10PM-12.)

 

EH PAG INABUTAN NAMAN NG REST DAY YUNG 12AM-6AM NA SEGMENT NG DUTY NAMIN EH HINDI PWEDE I-FILE NG DUTY ON REST DAY.

 

GANITO RIN BA ANG SISTEMA NYO? HOPING FOR YOUR ENLIGHTENMENT!!

 

THANKS IN ADVANCE!! MABUHAY ANG MGA HR NA PRO-EMPLOYEES!!

[poor_tao]

MGA HRD PIPOL!! MAY QUESTION PO ULI AKO SA INYO... SHIFTING KASI ANG SCHEDULE NAMIN DITO. 3 SHIFTS A DAY TO BE EXACT. (6-2, 2-10, 10-6).

 

NGAYON, ANG KATANUNGAN KO AY GANITO:

 

HALIMBAWA HOLIDAY NGAYON (NOV30),

 

ANG MGA OT BA NA DAPAT I-FILE NG BAWAT SHIFT BA AY GANITO:

 

 

6-2 = 8 HRS

2-10 = 8 HRS

10-6 = 2 HRS (FROM NOV30 10PM - DEC1 12AM)

 

 

MEDYO CONFUSED LANG KASI KAMI. KASI KUNG ICONSIDER NATIN NA GALING NG REST DAY LAHAT NG 3 SHIFT. LUGI YUNG PANG 10-6 NA HINDI NAMAN DAPAT DAHIL PAREHAS SILANG NAGDUTY PARA SA ARAW NA YUN. DAPAT BA ICUT YUNG OT HRS NG PANG 10-6 SA 12AM DAHIL HINDI NA NOV30 YUNG DUTY NYA FROM 12AM-6AM.

 

KASI KUNG GANUN ANG BASEHAN. HALIMBAWA REST DAY NG 10-6 KINABUKASAN. EH DI DAPAT PWEDE NYA I-FILE NA DUTY ON REST DAY YUNG FROM 12AM-6AM NYA?

 

 

PARANG DI KASI FAIR YUNG GANUNG SISTEMA. EH GANUN ANG SISTEMA DITO SA AMIN. LUGI TALAGA YUNG 10-6. OK LANG SANA KUNG YUNG HOLIDAY AY NAPAGITNAAN NG DUTY NYA KAYA PASOK PA RIN YUNG 8 HRS (SAME EXAMPLE NOV30 12AM-6AM TAPOS YUNG 2 HRS NA DUTY NYA ULI KINAGABIHAN NOV30 10PM-12.)

 

EH PAG INABUTAN NAMAN NG REST DAY YUNG 12AM-6AM NA SEGMENT NG DUTY NAMIN EH HINDI PWEDE I-FILE NG DUTY ON REST DAY.

 

GANITO RIN BA ANG SISTEMA NYO? HOPING FOR YOUR ENLIGHTENMENT!!

 

THANKS IN ADVANCE!! MABUHAY ANG MGA HR NA PRO-EMPLOYEES!!

[Tokoy]

GOOD DAY HR PEOPLE

 

Im glad to see more posts in this thread today!

 

Poor Tao - on your question regarding the computation of OT on 10pm to 6am shift its correct. its in the law. you only compute the hours that is part of the holiday. In this case its 2 hours only. Now, on your follow-up question regarding restday after holiday, if the person is entitled to restday pay. The answer is NO. He/she is not. It may sound unfair but thats the law, provided he/she is not required again to work on same shift on that same day. There is a distinction between treating a holiday from the restday.

[Tokoy]

However there are companies who are giving or computing the OT rate in an 8 hour basis for graveyard shift working on holiday. In this case, it has become part of the company's benefit to employees. My company is practicing that.

 

Let me ask you a question. What is the base rate in your company in computing night differential on an overtime schedule?

[Tokoy]

these figures are alarming.

 

so to all the HR peeps here, u have a suggested remedy for this?

Remedy?

 

I believe government should step up on providing our people the basic support system. We cant do anything regarding our labor cost. But what government can do is to curtail inflation. Provide all Filipinos with basic services like food, clothing, shelter, education and access to health and medical services. I know im dreaming on this but this is the ultimate solution.

 

Imagine if Juan has enough food in his table, has a house of his own, was able to send his siblings to affordable yet quality school and has access to health services what do you think would be the priority of Juan now? Multiply this to millions what would happened to our country? Will there be kidnappings and other societal menace happening? I think the answer is none.

 

Now what HR can do. We can address the quality aspect. We will make it a point to include quality in everything that we do. We have to make quality consciousness a value among our employees. How? I believe training and development plays a vital part of it. This is a call that we have to address.

[Guest kyut]

I posted this earlier in Job Opportunities, but mukhang di masyadong dinadayo ang thread na yun, so I hope its ok to post it here...delete nyo nalang if sobrang off-topic, but Employment is an HR issue di ba?

 

I'm on the lookout for a Marketing Head for Corporate Markets. Candidates are preferably from the Telecommunication industry (3-5 years experience). PM me if you are interested. We are also looking for Corporate Sales personnel, again preferably from the Telecommunication or Corporate Technical Services industries.

 

PEACE!!!

[Guest kyut]

Good Day HR posters and residents!

 

Well this thread is not rolling much. Maybe all is fine with the human relations in the workplace. I hope so?

 

I want to share this information i got lately from one of my seminar. This maybe is disturbing but try to keep an open mind on this matter.

 

An asian profile regarding which country has the highest labor cost. The Philippines rank 3rd. Singapore being the first. Do you think its a nice fact? maybe? or maybe not? but take a look at the quality output, among the 12 countries being studied our Philippines second, second starting at the bottom. Now that's bad news. How would capital find its way to Philippines if that is the statistics. I think we have to do something about this because everyear we are producing unemployed people at the double or triple digit rate.

I think that this information has to be viewed from the proper perspective, i.e., what industries were surveyed ba?

 

Admittedly, there are industries that have problems with regard to the cost-quality ratios, e.g., the local shoe manufacturing industry is currently suffering a really alarming decline because of the presence of same or better quality shoes from China at only 1/3 of the cost. The cost of the local shoes cannot go down really by much because of the high cost of labor vs. China. That there are child labor issues in that country is irrelevant to a business because, at the end of the day, price is determined by cost.

 

In general, manufacturing companies are always the hardest hit when labor costs rise higher than what the price points to be market competitive allow. That's why many of the multinational companies who used to have manufacturing operations here have shifted to DISTRIBUTION with the actual manufacturing done outside the Philippines. So, it is a good move for an employee in a manufacturing company to gain skills in distribution (direct selling, channels management, etc.) in preparation for the possibility of business shifts.

 

Now, in the BPO industry (call centers included) the Philippines dominates. Our cost-quality ratio is one of the best in the region, which is clearly evidenced by the major investments done in the country by major players in this industry.

 

IMHO lang po...

 

PEACE!!!

[Tokoy]

I think that this information has to be viewed from the proper perspective, i.e., what industries were surveyed ba?

 

Admittedly, there are industries that have problems with regard to the cost-quality ratios, e.g., the local shoe manufacturing industry is currently suffering a really alarming decline because of the presence of same or better quality shoes from China at only 1/3 of the cost. The cost of the local shoes cannot go down really by much because of the high cost of labor vs. China. That there are child labor issues in that country is irrelevant to a business because, at the end of the day, price is determined by cost.

 

In general, manufacturing companies are always the hardest hit when labor costs rise higher than what the price points to be market competitive allow. That's why many of the multinational companies who used to have manufacturing operations here have shifted to DISTRIBUTION with the actual manufacturing done outside the Philippines. So, it is a good move for an employee in a manufacturing company to gain skills in distribution (direct selling, channels management, etc.) in preparation for the possibility of business shifts.

 

Now, in the BPO industry (call centers included) the Philippines dominates. Our cost-quality ratio is one of the best in the region, which is clearly evidenced by the major investments done in the country by major players in this industry.

 

IMHO lang po...

 

PEACE!!!

Good Day Keyotik

 

Thanks for posting your job requirements in this thread.

 

The baseline data came from the context of manufacturing industry in the Philippines. The information presented was an offshoot to the discussion why are there capital flights outside the Philippines.

 

Admittedly, I see an upsurge in the professional/technical service industry call centers and other outsourcing services included. As a matter of fact we are considered as the top choice among the asian countries because of our literacy in the english language over our asian counterparts. To this day only two countries enjoys this upswell, ours and India. But investors prefer our country because of our capability to expand our patience as compared to the Indians. Thats a fact that I agree of.

 

However, this kind of upsurge is temporary and not sustainable. If you remember in the early nineties the same demand took place, that time it was for data encoders, transcribers and others. Remember INNODATA and the likes? At that point, the demand was so high that companies engaged on those services sprung like mushrooms all over the Philippines. It was also so fast that we dont even noticed it fizzled out. This industry(BPO) is fast-paced often dictated by the spinoff of time and technology. To get the lionshare of the capital, we must beef-up the quality of our output and be consistent on it. Otherwise just like what happened to our manufacturing industry eventually losing in the competition.

 

Good day again.

[poor_tao]

I posted this earlier in Job Opportunities, but mukhang di masyadong dinadayo ang thread na yun, so I hope its ok to post it here...delete nyo nalang if sobrang off-topic, but Employment is an HR issue di ba?

 

I'm on the lookout for a Marketing Head for Corporate Markets. Candidates are preferably from the Telecommunication industry (3-5 years experience). PM me if you are interested. We are also looking for Corporate Sales personnel, again preferably from the Telecommunication or Corporate Technical Services industries.

 

PEACE!!!

KEYOTIK, MUKHANG TAGA TELECOMMS INDUSTRY KA. ARE YOU? WALA BA KAYONG REQUIREMENT PARA SA MGA TELECOMM ENGRS? VSAT OPERATIONS ANG LINYA NAMIN EH. BWISIT NA BWISIT NA KASI KAMI SA KUMPANYA NAMIN EH. (IF EVER NA NABASA MO MGA POSTS KO, YOU WOULD KNOW WHAT I MEAN).

 

 

AND TO THE HR GUYS OUT THERE, :santa: THANKS ULI MGA TOL.

[poor_tao]

However there are companies who are giving or computing the OT rate in an 8 hour basis for graveyard shift working on holiday. In this case, it has become part of the company's benefit to employees. My company is practicing that.

 

Let me ask you a question. What is the base rate in your company in computing night differential on an overtime schedule?

OK NAMAN TALAGA SA COMPANY NYO. SANA DYAN AKO WORK. HEHEHEHE.

 

WELL, ABOUT YOUR INQUIRY ABOUT OUR NIGHT DIFFERENTIAL RATE DURING OT BALIKAN KITA DYAN. DI KO SURE EH. TANONG KO PRE. SALAMAT ULI SAYO TOKOY. MABUHAY KA AT SANA DUMAMI ANG KATULAD MO.

[Guest kyut]

Thanks for responding to my post Tokoy...I will certainly get back to you with my own assessment...Trabaho lang muna ako ng konti...

 

PEACE!!!