nansky Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 It's a reality not only for those who come in from a long overseas assignment. Looking for a job in the PI may be challenging. There are several factors that may help explain the situation. For one, the returning OCW may have to reconcile the drastic difference in the pay scale. If you will compare your previous salary to that of what is available in the PI, you will be dissappointed. Another factor will be the level of your entry in the organization. If you are only qualified for an entry level position, then the age factor will set in. Organizations largely look for fresh grads to fill entry level positions. To become more competitive, the returning OCW must be prepared for the employemnt scenario in the PI. While in their country of work, they must hone thier skills and try to build up their resume. Get as many opportunities as possible to make your resume as attractive as possible. If educational opportunities are available, grab them. Aspire for higher level posiitions. Showing a career direction makes you a good catch for any organization. Better yet, try to become an entrepreneur. Save up so when you go back to the PI you will be your own boss. Hope this helps.... Quote Link to comment
satyr_d6 Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 nansky, thanks... malaking tulong yon... actually i can consider myself na di na pwede sa entry level kasi marami na rin akong experience and some expertise on some aspects. i don't care about the pay, sabi ko nga basta kasya lang at sakto lang, ok na yon. pero on second thought, maganda ang suggestion mo na to engage in business na lang.... hhhmmmm.... may suggestion ka ba kung ano maganda pasuking negosyo? thanks pal.... :evil: :cool: Quote Link to comment
poor_tao Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 MGA HRD PEEPS DYAN. MAY QUESTION LANG AKO. IS IT REALLY ILLEGAL TO PUT UP A UNION WITHIN A COMPANY? CAN A COMPANY FIRE ITS EMPLOYEES WHO ARE FORMING A UNION? AND LASTLY, CAN I COMPANY CHANGE ITS EXISTING POLICIES WITHOUT CONSULTING ITS EMPLOYEES. POLICIES LIKE PERFORMANCE INCREASE OF EMPLOYEES (EX. FROM THE EXISTING 8%, 10%, & 12% INCREASE TO A NEW 6%,7% & 8% INCREASE), AND RETIREMENT (EX. FROM THE EXISTING 10 YEARS SERVICE TO THE NEW 15 YEARS SERVICE) BWISIT NA BWISIT NA KAMI SA COMPANY NAMIN. GUSTO NA NAMIN MAGBUO NG UNION. AND THE NEW HR MANAGER IS THE TARGET OF ALL THE ANGER SA OFFICE NAMIN. DAHIL EVERSINCE DUMATING SYA DITO PARANG ANG DAMING POLICIES NA BINAGO. PLS ENLIGHTEN US, BAGO MABUGBOG SA LABAS ANG HR MANAGER NAMIN NG MGA HOODLUM KONG OFFICEMATES. HEHEHEHEHEHE. hey, mga pro-admin ba talaga mga hrds? wala ba gusto sumagot sa questions ko? ok lang..... Quote Link to comment
nansky Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 Satyr D6, When considering a business endeavor to set up, you must first seek to understand your key competence. This will also tell you what you enjoy most. It is important that when you decide on a business, you must consider the business environment, your competition and your abilities. As of now, businesses in the service industry seem to be a good bet. With your knowledge and expertise, you might want to look at the posibility of setting up a consultancy. A lot of companies are outsourcing not essential functions. Try looking it up... Poor tao, Hindi naman sa mga pro-management ang mga HRD peeps, baka lang walang competent enough to answer your query responsibly. It would be better to bring this question to the Legal thread. Hope you get an answer soon. Quote Link to comment
satyr_d6 Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 thanks, for the advice pal... sabi ko na nga ba service ang magandang negosyo.... kaya nagiisip akong magtayo ng kasa, yung tirahan ng mga tinitirhan, he he he... again thanks, i will consider everything as you have mentioned... :evil: :cool: Quote Link to comment
nansky Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 thanks, for the advice pal... sabi ko na nga ba service ang magandang negosyo.... kaya nagiisip akong magtayo ng kasa, yung tirahan ng mga tinitirhan, he he he... again thanks, i will consider everything as you have mentioned... :evil: :cool: Pare, Kapag nagtuloy ka ng negosyong iyan, pwede mo akong gawing quality assurance manager. I am willing to do this for a minimal cost.(he-he) Quote Link to comment
satyr_d6 Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 thanks, for the advice pal... sabi ko na nga ba service ang magandang negosyo.... kaya nagiisip akong magtayo ng kasa, yung tirahan ng mga tinitirhan, he he he... again thanks, i will consider everything as you have mentioned... :evil: :cool:Pare, Kapag nagtuloy ka ng negosyong iyan, pwede mo akong gawing quality assurance manager. I am willing to do this for a minimal cost.(he-he) no problem, ako kasi maghire on the spot trial kung pwede pa, after hiring ikaw na mag check ng quality... he he he :evil: Quote Link to comment
nansky Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 Satyr, Tamang tama, HR ang linya ko. kasama na dito ang Training and Development! Kailan tayo magsisimula ng negosyo? :evil: Quote Link to comment
satyr_d6 Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 pagbalik ko, hanap lang ako maganda location... lol :boo: Quote Link to comment
Guest kizmet Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 MGA HRD PEEPS DYAN. MAY QUESTION LANG AKO. IS IT REALLY ILLEGAL TO PUT UP A UNION WITHIN A COMPANY? CAN A COMPANY FIRE ITS EMPLOYEES WHO ARE FORMING A UNION? AND LASTLY, CAN I COMPANY CHANGE ITS EXISTING POLICIES WITHOUT CONSULTING ITS EMPLOYEES. POLICIES LIKE PERFORMANCE INCREASE OF EMPLOYEES (EX. FROM THE EXISTING 8%, 10%, & 12% INCREASE TO A NEW 6%,7% & 8% INCREASE), AND RETIREMENT (EX. FROM THE EXISTING 10 YEARS SERVICE TO THE NEW 15 YEARS SERVICE) BWISIT NA BWISIT NA KAMI SA COMPANY NAMIN. GUSTO NA NAMIN MAGBUO NG UNION. AND THE NEW HR MANAGER IS THE TARGET OF ALL THE ANGER SA OFFICE NAMIN. DAHIL EVERSINCE DUMATING SYA DITO PARANG ANG DAMING POLICIES NA BINAGO. PLS ENLIGHTEN US, BAGO MABUGBOG SA LABAS ANG HR MANAGER NAMIN NG MGA HOODLUM KONG OFFICEMATES. HEHEHEHEHEHE.hey, mga pro-admin ba talaga mga hrds? wala ba gusto sumagot sa questions ko? ok lang..... Technically it is not illegal to form a union..it is free and responsible exercise of the the right to self-organization... but it should be legitimate.. meaning you follow certain guidelines set by DOLE... but I am not speaking to promote it... I've been handling personnel for quite sometime now and one thing i never would want to happen is for my employees to form a union... sakit lang sa ulo.... plus it has a negative impact on foreign investors...why try other alternative.. have you tried having a dialogue with your employer??? any suggestion box where you can express your sentiments.. any LMC??? i still believe that everything can be solved thru communication... More often than not negative ang dating ng mga changes sa policies... new personnel head would mean new policies.. try to think - baka naman itong mga changes na ito would be more beneficial to you... With the way our economy is doing it is more likely that more businesses will be closing.. did you ever think na yung move ng management to lower the increase/retirement plan is to save the company from any losses... to save sa closure?? buti nga kayo lower lang..some wala talaga!!! just my 2cents... I hope this could help... Sorry now lang ako naligaw ulit sa HR thread.. kaya now lang ako nakasagot... peace! Quote Link to comment
poor_tao Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 SALAMAT NG MARAM KIZMET...... MEDYO NALUWAGAN ANG AMING MGA LOOB. Quote Link to comment
Guest kizmet Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 SALAMAT NG MARAM KIZMET...... MEDYO NALUWAGAN ANG AMING MGA LOOB. Anytime joey marquez! ay poor tao pala!... Quote Link to comment
Tokoy Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 Good Day HR residents and posters! This is reaction of what poor_tao posted regarding forming a union and changing of policy pertaining to benefits. Let me discuss our seven (7) guaranteed rights as stipulated in the highest law in our land which is the 1987 Philippine Constitution. 1. The first right, is the right to self organization. Our constitution adheres to the fact that there is strength in unity. 2. Collective Bargaining. It is the right of every organization to enter into an agreement with employer. 3. Concerted Activities - It is also the right of an organization to conduct concerted activities i.e. strike and others but within the boundaries of the law. 4. Living Wage - This is an individual right of all workers to receive what they call a living wage. Please take note of the term living and not minimum wage. 5. Humane Condition - This makes us unique among other countries we specify in our bill rights and in our labor code HUMAN CONDITION. 6. Security of Tenure - The term guarantees all employees the security of their present jobs. That no job shall be taken away from any individual without just cause and due process. 7. Participatory right - that as individual we have the right to participate in whatever discussion, decision specially pertaining to welfare of oneself. This is a new right promulgated in the 1987 Constitution under this right management should listen to the ideas and opinion of the workers before a policy is finalized. It is a sad fact that despite this rights we have in the constitution. Still plenty of unfair situation happens in the workplace. This is because not all of us have known these rights. This is dampen further by the current economic situation we have that leads to us being bondage to our work. This situation is being abused by management. I know plenty of companies out there are not implementing what is really the standard according to law. But still they continue to exist because our country needs their revenue and the workers need to survive. To change a policy specially it it has accorded for some time management should first consult the employees. Management cannot remove any benefits being enjoyed by employees as it is againt the law - dimunition of benefit. Specially if these benefits were enjoyed for a period of time. However, employees organized or not cannot intervene into the decision of managment that pertains to core business operations. To form a union is legal. It is under our guaranteed rights and management should not raise any hand to stop this. Otherwise, they will be charged with unfair labor practice. As an HR practitioner, it is our duty not just to follow what management wants us to do but also to educate them the guaranteed rights of our workers and its implications if not followed. Quote Link to comment
poor_tao Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 As an HR practitioner, it is our duty not just to follow what management wants us to do but also to educate them the guaranteed rights of our workers and its implications if not followed. YES!!!! MARAMING SALAMAT TOKOY!! NAPAG PASYAHAN NAMING MGA MGA MAGKAKA OPISINA NA BAGO KAMI MAGBUO NG UNION, KAKAUSAPIN MUNA NAMIN YUNG HR MANAGER NAMIN. OPEN FORUM KUNG BAGA, AND SIGURADO BABANGGITIN KO TONG MGA NAIPOST MO. TINGNAN KO LANG KUNG ANO ANG MAGIGING REACTION NYA. KUNG KAYA BA NYA KAMI IPAGTANGGOL SA GM SINCE YUN ANG NAG DEDECIDE NG LAHAT. ANG PROBLEMA KASI SA KUMPANYA NAMIN. ALAM NAMAN NG LAHAT NA HINDI NALULUGI ANG COMPANY, IN FACT LUMAKI PA ANG CLIENTS NAMIN TAPOS LILIIT ANG PERFORMANCE MERIT INCREASE NAMIN. NAKAKABWISIT LANG ISIPIN NA MILYON MILYON ANG KINIKITA NG KUMPANYA, MILYON MILYON ANG MGA APARATO NA PINAPAHANDLE SA AMIN PERO ANG SWELDO NAMIN..... PWEEE... SALAMAT TALAGA. Quote Link to comment
Tokoy Posted November 27, 2003 Share Posted November 27, 2003 Good Day to all HR thread posters! Poor Tao - i wish you and your co-workers good luck in your planned endeavor. its best to negotiate and talk things out. that's what great men do. remember to put all your actions within the bounds of the law. one day youll reap the fruits of your endeavor and keep it posted here. Good Day again! Quote Link to comment
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