Olympus Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 But the first question raised here was if dumbells can subsitute kettlebells. And i dont think they can due to the difference in shape. You can however do similar exercises ( not all ) but even then, they will not have the same intensity as with kettlebells Having a different center of gravity, many exercises that are done with kettlebells make them harder than their dumbbell version. However, for some exercises such as chest press variants, dumbbells are a better choice... this is my personal preference Could you please go a little bit more in detail about the similar attributes they develop? 1. A single kettlebell can do several exercises which already work your full body.... though you can also do this with a dumbbell, the effect isn't the same... refer to my post above... 2. for exercises like curls, chest presses, tricep extensions, dumbbells are a better tool... again my personal opinion 3. you want a home gym and have limited space, budget... this is where a kettlebell has an advantage over the dumbbell... I have full access to a gym yet I have a 16kg kettlebell in my home for times that I know I won't be able to workout in my gym. 4. if you want "functional training" exercises like windmills and turkish getups done with a kettlebell are good choices since they make you focus so much on balance and stability... 5. fatloss? conditioning? both tools are good.. though doing many of the exercises with a kettlebell for timed sets is a very challenging workout take home points... both have their uses... though I will always prefer a barbell if I wanna develop my maximal strength... explosive strength.. barbells and kettlebells... vanity purposes... dumbbells and barbells... kettlebell work for abs Quote Link to comment
muson Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Having a different center of gravity, many exercises that are done with kettlebells make them harder than their dumbbell version. However, for some exercises such as chest press variants, dumbbells are a better choice... this is my personal preference 1. A single kettlebell can do several exercises which already work your full body.... though you can also do this with a dumbbell, the effect isn't the same... refer to my post above... 2. for exercises like curls, chest presses, tricep extensions, dumbbells are a better tool... again my personal opinion 3. you want a home gym and have limited space, budget... this is where a kettlebell has an advantage over the dumbbell... I have full access to a gym yet I have a 16kg kettlebell in my home for times that I know I won't be able to workout in my gym. 4. if you want "functional training" exercises like windmills and turkish getups done with a kettlebell are good choices since they make you focus so much on balance and stability... 5. fatloss? conditioning? both tools are good.. though doing many of the exercises with a kettlebell for timed sets is a very challenging workout take home points... both have their uses... though I will always prefer a barbell if I wanna develop my maximal strength... explosive strength.. barbells and kettlebells... vanity purposes... dumbbells and barbells... kettlebell work for abs Will add to this soon. Still at work:) Next time let's do some chest press variants with kettlebells:) Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Will add to this soon. Still at work:) Next time let's do some chest press variants with kettlebells:) I've done pullovers and floor presses with kettlebells, but I still prefer dumbbells for those exercises... shoulder presses I definitely prefer kettlebells... question/s answered? Quote Link to comment
muson Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 I've done pullovers and floor presses with kettlebells, but I still prefer dumbbells for those exercises... Pullovers are more of a abdominal/core exercise in my opinion. That's so with kettlebells at least. shoulder presses I definitely prefer kettlebells... Indeed! When you do a so called shoulder press with a kettlebell ( regular press when done with a kettlebell ) it's the whole body that's working, especialy the torso due to the displaced center of mass of a kettlebell which will result in the body needing to recruit way more stabilisator muscles then if performed with a dumbell ( even a heavier dumbell ). Therefore i still believe that kettlebell training can not be substituted with dumbells! ( it's like substituting toyo with patis ) And why would we still call it kettlebell training anyway then:) If you have no acces to kettlebells and you wanna get in a better shape , then yes of course you can use dumbells. But you will never get the same results then which you will get with kettlebells. Then again, if you have no access to kettlebell or dumbells. Bodyweight will be just fine then. And yes if you wanna attain maximal strength nothing beats barbells. But i tell you with kettlebells you can produce some pretty impressive strength. And with way less chance of injury! Barbells it will take a lot of learning, and spotting of a good coach ( which are rare ). Or they have the knowledge but the personality sucks, Or they have the personality, but not the knowledge. Then i'd rather go a play a game of basketball or socker with friends to get in a little better shape. And you might develop some similar attributes when training with either dumbells or kettlebells, but those are only some. And with kettlebells you will attain those way faster, and attain way more functional attributes! You all have to give it a shot. Don't take my word for it, let the kettlebell do the talking for itself! Again my opinion. Hope some more will share their experiences with kettlebells. Remember i'm not saying that kettlebells are the only tool to use. But it is a GREAT tool (if not the best ) to have at home! question/s answered? Many questions have been indeed. Thank you for the detailed info and allowing me to add some on top of that! Quote Link to comment
impaler1432 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Well, all I know is that KB Training has delivered unparalleled results for me. I've never been stronger and more agile in my adult life. :goatee: Quote Link to comment
muson Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I've done pullovers and floor presses with kettlebells, but I still prefer dumbbells for those exercises... shoulder presses I definitely prefer kettlebells... question/s answered? Pullovers are more of a abdominal/core exercise in my opinion. That's so with kettlebells at least. shoulder presses I definitely prefer kettlebells... Indeed! When you do a so called shoulder press with a kettlebell ( regular press when done with a kettlebell ) it's the whole body that's working, especialy the torso due to the displaced center of mass of a kettlebell which will result in the body needing to recruit way more stabilisator muscles then if performed with a dumbell ( even a heavier dumbell ). Therefore i still believe that kettlebell training can not be substituted with dumbells! ( it's like substituting toyo with patis ) And why would we still call it kettlebell training anyway then:) If you have no acces to kettlebells and you wanna get in a better shape , then yes of course you can use dumbells. But you will never get the same results then which you will get with kettlebells. Then again, if you have no access to kettlebell or dumbells. Bodyweight will be just fine then. And yes if you wanna attain maximal strength nothing beats barbells. But i tell you with kettlebells you can produce some pretty impressive strength. And with way less chance of injury! Barbells it will take a lot of learning, and spotting of a good coach ( which are rare ). Or they have the knowledge but the personality sucks, Or they have the personality, but not the knowledge. Then i'd rather go a play a game of basketball or socker with friends to get in a little better shape. And you might develop some similar attributes when training with either dumbells or kettlebells, but those are only some. And with kettlebells you will attain those way faster, and attain way more functional attributes! You all have to give it a shot. Don't take my word for it, let the kettlebell do the talking for itself! Again my opinion. Hope some more will share their experiences with kettlebells. Remember i'm not saying that kettlebells are the only tool to use. But it is a GREAT tool (if not the best ) to have at home! Sorry guys. Seem to have quoted myself in the previous post. Quote Link to comment
skittleBoy Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Mga master, bago lang ako in terms of lifting weights. Actually i borrowed some dumbbells to my uncle. di na nya kasi ginagamit. di ko kasi mahiram ung olympic bar nya, sinasabitan nya ng hanger :glare: I've been reading articles in stronglifts.com about the minimalist 5x5. This is the program: Monday Squat 5x5floor press 5x5power cleans 5x5reverse crunch 3x12 Wednesday Squat 5x5overhead press 5x5deadlifts 5x5Prone Bridges 3x30sec And then sa Friday, uuliti ko lang yung ginawa ko nung monday. Also, the program requires a barbell which i don't have. So what I do, i watch videos on youtube on how to do those exercises on a dumbbell. My question, is it OK to perform this 5x5 program with a use of a dumbbell? Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Mga master, bago lang ako in terms of lifting weights. Actually i borrowed some dumbbells to my uncle. di na nya kasi ginagamit. di ko kasi mahiram ung olympic bar nya, sinasabitan nya ng hanger :glare: I've been reading articles in stronglifts.com about the minimalist 5x5. This is the program: Monday Squat 5x5floor press 5x5power cleans 5x5reverse crunch 3x12 Wednesday Squat 5x5overhead press 5x5deadlifts 5x5Prone Bridges 3x30sec And then sa Friday, uuliti ko lang yung ginawa ko nung monday. Also, the program requires a barbell which i don't have. So what I do, i watch videos on youtube on how to do those exercises on a dumbbell. My question, is it OK to perform this 5x5 program with a use of a dumbbell? They're to be performed with a barbell Quote Link to comment
Poloman888 Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Hi. I've passed by the doorway of some mall gyms and noticed that the aircon can get extremely cold. Q: Would working-out be hampered by such a cold environment? Or is the downside just the longer warm-up time? Are there pros/cons to working out in such a cold environment, say these mall gyms? Better to work out at room temp, say a home/condo gym? thanks much Quote Link to comment
tiyopaeng501 Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 I'm planning on buying a home gym for myself as I think it'd be a good investment. How much is ensayo's power cage and are their olympic bars of good quality? If not, where can I buy quality olympic bars? Quote Link to comment
loverman18 Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Many questions have been indeed. Thank you for the detailed info and allowing me to add some on top of that! Each apparatus have their specific advantages, dumbells are good for certain body parts while KBs have their specific strong points. If we want to take advantage of them, it won't be bad if you will have one of this in your gym..... Only budget would matter............ Quote Link to comment
staringatdsun Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 agree agree agree for those who have been in weight training for some time...we all know you need to change things a bit or else you wont improve anymore so mixing up equipments would only spell good for us.. Quote Link to comment
SevenZeroFive Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Would a heavy bag be enough equipment to get a good workout? What others can you guys suggest to complement that? Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Would a heavy bag be enough equipment to get a good workout? What others can you guys suggest to complement that? heavy bag, skipping rope, kettlebells, large tire and sledgehammer Quote Link to comment
maddromeo Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 just got a pair of 12kg KB and doing some core training. need to lose 14kg of extra weight that I gained during my vacation. I also do push ups, pull ups and running. Tried training Muay Thai again this past week but my shoulders are soo f#&kin heavy! Nangangalay ako and cant even kick properly with my extra weight! Any other exercise or home gym equipments I need to get!? Oh by the way anybody know where to buy puzzle/ grappling matts?! I checked at Chris Sports its Pesos 375 a pc. WTF! Wala pa mas cheaper dyan?! Thanks... Quote Link to comment
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