His Airness Michael Jordan

[revi]

Hmmm, well in my opinion mas ok kung ganito...."shaq" had rings with the help of his team mates, the same thing with his airness. Jordan had Pippen, Shaq had kobe. Shaq and Jordan were the leaders and franchise players of their teams.

 

Now that Kobe is the laker's franchise player, lets see if he can power the lakers to a championship.

 

Going back to the topic, Jordan is the Greatest! Opinion ko lang po.

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When the Orlando Magic selected Shaq in the late early 1990's.. he was considered to be a player that is the focal point or should I say a franchise player.. Although he became Orlando's savior.. He was not able to bring the championship to Orlando even with Penny Hardaway's amazing performance.. coz Hakeem Olajuwon made him look like a fool in their finals rivalry.. --- sabi pa nga ni Shaq.. the best center si The Dream because of his subpar performance against Olajuwon.. Then he left the Magic for the Lakers.. considered to be the next Wilt in a Lakers uniform.. But did he bring a championship with just Eddie Jones, Campbell, Van Exel.. etc.? Nope.. It was when Kobe blossomed into a an offensive threat where he won three straight rings..

 

My point is, Air Jordan should not be compared to Shaq - in terms of being the only focal point of a team.. coz a franchise player does not leave his team even with tons of money offered to him by another franchise.. Air Jordan had Pippen to help him.. But Shaq had Kobe to help him? Beg to disagree on this one.. Kobe had his fair share of good games when Shaq was out.. and won games even without the Big Fella manning the middle.. remember when the Big Diesel's toe got injured.. Kobe lit up the scoreboards.. When Air Jordan did not play.. usually the Bulls lost coz hindi kaya ni Pippen (sabi niya dahil nasanay daw sila na si Jordan ang focal point -- this is written in books, dudes) but because Shaq and Kobe shared the lime light.. kinaya ni Kobe na wala si Shaq.. as with Shaq.. kaya niya na wala din si Kobe.. During Shaq's stint with the Magic.. siya talaga ang focal point.. nung sa Lakers hindi.. lalo na ngayon.. coz Wade (in my opinion) is the true franchise player of the Heat..

 

Therefore, Jordan had Pippen.. Shaq and Kobe had Horry, etc. .. Just my opinion.. Buti pa si Duncan ang i-compare.. Duncan had Parker, Ginobili.. and because DRob moved second fiddle to TD after his injury.. TD also had DRob --- nung hindi na ganun ka-dominating si Robinson..

 

As I said, just my opinion..

 

Peace, dudes.. :mtc:

[Guest airmax]

When the Orlando Magic selected Shaq in the late early 1990's.. he was considered to be a player that is the focal point or should I say a franchise player.. Although he became Orlando's savior.. He was not able to bring the championship to Orlando even with Penny Hardaway's amazing performance.. coz Hakeem Olajuwon made him look like a fool in their finals rivalry.. --- sabi pa nga ni Shaq.. the best center si The Dream because of his subpar performance against Olajuwon..  Then he left the Magic for the Lakers.. considered to be the next Wilt in a Lakers uniform.. But did he bring a championship with just Eddie Jones, Campbell, Van Exel.. etc.? Nope.. It was when Kobe blossomed into a an offensive threat where he won three straight rings..

 

My point is, Air Jordan should not be compared to Shaq - in terms of being the only focal point of a team.. coz a franchise player does not leave his team even with tons of money offered to him by another franchise.. Air Jordan had Pippen to help him.. But Shaq had Kobe to help him? Beg to disagree on this one.. Kobe had his fair share of good games when Shaq was out.. and won games even without the Big Fella manning the middle.. remember when the Big Diesel's toe got injured.. Kobe lit up the scoreboards.. When Air Jordan did not play.. usually the Bulls lost coz hindi kaya ni Pippen (sabi niya dahil nasanay daw sila na si Jordan ang focal point -- this is written in books, dudes) but because Shaq and Kobe shared the lime light.. kinaya ni Kobe na wala si Shaq.. as with Shaq.. kaya niya na wala din si Kobe.. During Shaq's stint with the Magic.. siya talaga ang focal point.. nung sa Lakers hindi.. lalo na ngayon.. coz Wade (in my opinion) is the true franchise player of the Heat..

 

Therefore, Jordan had Pippen.. Shaq and Kobe had Horry, etc. .. Just my opinion.. Buti pa si Duncan ang i-compare.. Duncan had Parker, Ginobili.. and because DRob moved second fiddle to TD after his injury.. TD also had DRob  --- nung hindi na ganun ka-dominating si Robinson..

 

As I said, just my opinion.. 

 

Peace, dudes..  :mtc:

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tama ka dyan pre

[Alucard]

When the Orlando Magic selected Shaq in the late early 1990's.. he was considered to be a player that is the focal point or should I say a franchise player.. Although he became Orlando's savior.. He was not able to bring the championship to Orlando even with Penny Hardaway's amazing performance.. coz Hakeem Olajuwon made him look like a fool in their finals rivalry.. --- sabi pa nga ni Shaq.. the best center si The Dream because of his subpar performance against Olajuwon..  Then he left the Magic for the Lakers.. considered to be the next Wilt in a Lakers uniform.. But did he bring a championship with just Eddie Jones, Campbell, Van Exel.. etc.? Nope.. It was when Kobe blossomed into a an offensive threat where he won three straight rings..

 

My point is, Air Jordan should not be compared to Shaq - in terms of being the only focal point of a team.. coz a franchise player does not leave his team even with tons of money offered to him by another franchise.. Air Jordan had Pippen to help him.. But Shaq had Kobe to help him? Beg to disagree on this one.. Kobe had his fair share of good games when Shaq was out.. and won games even without the Big Fella manning the middle.. remember when the Big Diesel's toe got injured.. Kobe lit up the scoreboards.. When Air Jordan did not play.. usually the Bulls lost coz hindi kaya ni Pippen (sabi niya dahil nasanay daw sila na si Jordan ang focal point -- this is written in books, dudes) but because Shaq and Kobe shared the lime light.. kinaya ni Kobe na wala si Shaq.. as with Shaq.. kaya niya na wala din si Kobe.. During Shaq's stint with the Magic.. siya talaga ang focal point.. nung sa Lakers hindi.. lalo na ngayon.. coz Wade (in my opinion) is the true franchise player of the Heat..

 

Therefore, Jordan had Pippen.. Shaq and Kobe had Horry, etc. .. Just my opinion.. Buti pa si Duncan ang i-compare.. Duncan had Parker, Ginobili.. and because DRob moved second fiddle to TD after his injury.. TD also had DRob  --- nung hindi na ganun ka-dominating si Robinson..

 

As I said, just my opinion.. 

 

Peace, dudes..  :mtc:

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Oh para magkasundo lang.....Sabi mo, Jordan had Pippen....Shaq AND kobe had horry.....

 

Since this is a thread dedicated to his airness....with that statement.....talagang Malupit si Jordan!

 

I'll just wait till kobe brings the lakers to the promise land....then I'll be a believer.

[Alucard]

When the Orlando Magic selected Shaq in the late early 1990's.. he was considered to be a player that is the focal point or should I say a franchise player.. Although he became Orlando's savior.. He was not able to bring the championship to Orlando even with Penny Hardaway's amazing performance.. coz Hakeem Olajuwon made him look like a fool in their finals rivalry.. --- sabi pa nga ni Shaq.. the best center si The Dream because of his subpar performance against Olajuwon..  Then he left the Magic for the Lakers.. considered to be the next Wilt in a Lakers uniform.. But did he bring a championship with just Eddie Jones, Campbell, Van Exel.. etc.? Nope.. It was when Kobe blossomed into a an offensive threat where he won three straight rings..

 

My point is, Air Jordan should not be compared to Shaq - in terms of being the only focal point of a team.. coz a franchise player does not leave his team even with tons of money offered to him by another franchise.. Air Jordan had Pippen to help him.. But Shaq had Kobe to help him? Beg to disagree on this one.. Kobe had his fair share of good games when Shaq was out.. and won games even without the Big Fella manning the middle.. remember when the Big Diesel's toe got injured.. Kobe lit up the scoreboards.. When Air Jordan did not play.. usually the Bulls lost coz hindi kaya ni Pippen (sabi niya dahil nasanay daw sila na si Jordan ang focal point -- this is written in books, dudes) but because Shaq and Kobe shared the lime light.. kinaya ni Kobe na wala si Shaq.. as with Shaq.. kaya niya na wala din si Kobe.. During Shaq's stint with the Magic.. siya talaga ang focal point.. nung sa Lakers hindi.. lalo na ngayon.. coz Wade (in my opinion) is the true franchise player of the Heat..

 

Therefore, Jordan had Pippen.. Shaq and Kobe had Horry, etc. .. Just my opinion.. Buti pa si Duncan ang i-compare.. Duncan had Parker, Ginobili.. and because DRob moved second fiddle to TD after his injury.. TD also had DRob  --- nung hindi na ganun ka-dominating si Robinson..

 

As I said, just my opinion.. 

 

Peace, dudes..  :mtc:

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Oh para magkasundo lang.....Sabi mo, Jordan had Pippen....Shaq AND kobe had horry.....

 

Since this is a thread dedicated to his airness....with that statement.....talagang Malupit si Jordan!

 

I'll just wait till kobe brings the lakers to the promise land....then I'll be a believer.

[Gideon]

My point is, Air Jordan should not be compared to Shaq - in terms of being the only focal point of a team.. coz a franchise player does not leave his team even with tons of money offered to him by another franchise.. Air Jordan had Pippen to help him.. But Shaq had Kobe to help him? Beg to disagree on this one.. Kobe had his fair share of good games when Shaq was out.. and won games even without the Big Fella manning the middle.. remember when the Big Diesel's toe got injured.. Kobe lit up the scoreboards.. When Air Jordan did not play.. usually the Bulls lost coz hindi kaya ni Pippen (sabi niya dahil nasanay daw sila na si Jordan ang focal point -- this is written in books, dudes) but because Shaq and Kobe shared the lime light.. kinaya ni Kobe na wala si Shaq.. as with Shaq.. kaya niya na wala din si Kobe.. During Shaq's stint with the Magic.. siya talaga ang focal point.. nung sa Lakers hindi.. lalo na ngayon.. coz Wade (in my opinion) is the true franchise player of the Heat..

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Hey Dude, Jordan was offered by the Bulls $30 million plus a season just not to change address. Hindi ko sinasabing mukhang pera si Jordan, but it's business, walang personalan. If want quality, you have to pay for it. It's unfair to say that Shaq left Orlando for more money, it's just because the offer was better in LA. Same thing with what happened to Jordan, the offer in Chicago was just right for MJ.

 

Also, with Shaq Orlando, parang mas sumikat si Penny, nung umalis lumaos na, dahil na rin Penny pushed himself to score more and then got injured. With LA, Kobe had an automatic star with him and blossomed with Shaq, nung umalis di man lang naka-playoffs, well nawala rin yung ibang star players because of mis-management. Tapos ngayon, Wade naman. Wade is really getting a BIG boost from Shaq, Wade can now score more because of the mere presence of Shaq.

 

Shaq get's double teamed more than any player.

[Alucard]

Hey Dude, Jordan was offered by the Bulls $30 million plus a season just not to change address. Hindi ko sinasabing mukhang pera si Jordan, but it's business, walang personalan.  If want quality, you have to pay for it.  It's unfair to say that Shaq left Orlando for more money, it's just because the offer was better in LA.  Same thing with what happened to Jordan, the offer in Chicago was just right for MJ.

 

Also, with Shaq Orlando, parang mas sumikat si Penny, nung umalis lumaos na, dahil na rin Penny pushed himself to score more and then got injured.  With LA, Kobe had an automatic star with him and blossomed with Shaq, nung umalis di man lang naka-playoffs, well nawala rin yung ibang star players because of mis-management.  Tapos ngayon, Wade naman.  Wade is really getting a BIG boost from Shaq, Wade can now score more because of the mere presence of Shaq. 

 

Shaq get's double teamed more than any player.

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Hmmm parang argee ako sa point mo amigo ah eheheheh

[Gideon]

Hmmm parang argee ako sa point mo amigo ah eheheheh

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Napunta kasi ang usapan sa PERA.

 

Eh, hindi naman palakpak o cheer lang ang kailangan ni Jordan para mabuhay.

 

MJ needs Cash too, a lot of it if I might add, for his skills.

[ghetto_gospel]

When Shaq left the Lakers, Kobe didn't even made "his" team a play off contender the following season, up to now, so don't brag about Kobe being able to win championships! Yes, he can win ball games, just ball games. What separates a good player from a great one is that "GREAT" players win championships.............Just like Micael Jordan!

 

I bet ya'll, Kobe can never win any championship by himself......Just mah 2 cent......

 

But makes sense!!! Peace!!!

[revi]

Hey Dude, Jordan was offered by the Bulls $30 million plus a season just not to change address. Hindi ko sinasabing mukhang pera si Jordan, but it's business, walang personalan.  If want quality, you have to pay for it.  It's unfair to say that Shaq left Orlando for more money, it's just because the offer was better in LA.  Same thing with what happened to Jordan, the offer in Chicago was just right for MJ.

 

Also, with Shaq Orlando, parang mas sumikat si Penny, nung umalis lumaos na, dahil na rin Penny pushed himself to score more and then got injured.  With LA, Kobe had an automatic star with him and blossomed with Shaq, nung umalis di man lang naka-playoffs, well nawala rin yung ibang star players because of mis-management.  Tapos ngayon, Wade naman.  Wade is really getting a BIG boost from Shaq, Wade can now score more because of the mere presence of Shaq. 

 

Shaq get's double teamed more than any player.

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Ganun ba.. I know that MJ got offered lots and tons of money by the Bulls, Nike or even Hanes for that matter.. Maybe it was my fault that I said that Shaq left Orlando for money.. Kaso hindi kaya para mas sumikat din siya dahil LA gets more media coverage than Orlando.. Well, in anycase.. mali nga siguro ako nung sinabi ko na hindi umalis si Jordan sa Bulls kahit na offer-an siya ng ibang team ng kahit na magkano.. Hindi ko naman kilala si Jordan eh..

 

Yung kay Shaq and Kobe.. iba ang take natin diyan dude.. I was never a Shaq believer after the Dream literally made him look like a fool.. and after he dissed the Spurs and TD -- when TD won his first ever MVP Award.. Nawalan ako ng gana sa attitude niya.. para sa akin parang naging sourgraper siya nung nag MVP si TD.. So, ayoko na pagtalunan yang Shaq had Kobe stuff coz we would not agree.. I am not like other people who would keep on insisting what I said kasi hindi tayo matatapos.. at puros replay lang.. When you say na DWade is getting a big boost when Shaq is around.. hindi rin ako agree coz Shaq does not dominate the paint like he used to.. that's my opinion.. and DWade can blossom even without a Shaq O Neal.. that's my take.. that's why I don't post sa Heat thread eh.. coz people there wouldn't agree on my POV's..

 

And because this is a Michael Jordan thread.. I have one thing to say to all the haters and non-believers of Jordan.. Jordan can not be compared to anyone.. coz he contributed what no one can do.. and that is revolution.. he globalized basketball.. Let's say Shaq had Kobe.. Well.. Jordan had more than Pippen.. he once had the world in his f**king hands..

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My point is, Air Jordan should not be compared to Shaq - in terms of being the only focal point of a team.. coz a franchise player does not leave his team even with tons of money offered to him by another franchise.. Air Jordan had Pippen to help him.. But Shaq had Kobe to help him? Beg to disagree on this one.. Kobe had his fair share of good games when Shaq was out.. and won games even without the Big Fella manning the middle.. remember when the Big Diesel's toe got injured.. Kobe lit up the scoreboards.. When Air Jordan did not play.. usually the Bulls lost coz hindi kaya ni Pippen (sabi niya dahil nasanay daw sila na si Jordan ang focal point -- this is written in books, dudes) but because Shaq and Kobe shared the lime light.. kinaya ni Kobe na wala si Shaq.. as with Shaq.. kaya niya na wala din si Kobe.. During Shaq's stint with the Magic.. siya talaga ang focal point.. nung sa Lakers hindi.. lalo na ngayon.. coz Wade (in my opinion) is the true franchise player of the Heat..

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slight correction/opposition since we're on the topic of MJ and his Bulls , Scottie did make a good account of himself when MJ first retired. he was able to lead the Bulls to the playoffs and almost making the finals if not for Patrick Ewing and his Knicks

 

just wanted to say that bro, no offense meant :mtc:

[bakedzitiguy]

since this thread's subtitile is greatest player of all time, you have to include all the hall of famers and compare it to jordan. speaking of dominance, try this one: when Jabbar was a freshman at UCLA (freshmen werent allowed ro compere in the NCAA), he led rhe freshmen team to a victory against the UCLA varsity team (defending NCAA champion at that time). During his 3 year collegiate stint, he lost only 2 games. both were 2 point losses and one came when he had an eye injury. in the pros, he led milwaukee to their 1st championship in his sophomore ( or rookie?) year. during his stay with the lakers he was the anchor to their 5 titles. and he was the only player whom Chamberlain couldnt contain one on one. he also had 6 rings like jordan. and he played against more hall of famers than jordan. But to be honest, Im a larry bird fan and for me he's the best there was even though other palyers have better stats and more titles.

[revi]

slight correction/opposition since we're on the topic of MJ and his Bulls , Scottie did make a good account of himself when MJ first retired. he was able to lead the Bulls to the playoffs and almost making the finals if not for Patrick Ewing and his Knicks

 

just wanted to say that bro, no offense meant :mtc:

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No problemo bro.. we can not agree on everything.. For me, kasi Scottie is a good player but has always been in the shadow of MJ.. Kasi ganito ang gustong gawin ng iba kay Kobe kay Shaq.. that's what I am disagreeing about.. I disagree that KB8 is in the shadow of Shaq during the Diesel's stint with LA.. Yung criticism na Shaq had Kobe and MJ had Pippen POVs? hehe!!! Plus I don't believe that the most immovable force in the NBA who is Shaq can be compared to MJ.. Not in a long shot..

 

With regards to Scottie's "robin-like" (Batman and Robin) personality during those games with Mike.. This was highly criticized in books and by the media.. What I am trying to say is that when MJ went down with an injury.. the Bulls usually lost 'coz sobrang naging focal point si MJ.. and according to Pippen and the others.. they can't be consistent enough to carry the cudgels left by MJ coz hindi sila sanay.. I am not talking about the first retirement of Jordan.. coz at that time practicing without Jordan and making Pippen the focal point of the Bulls' offense made them won.. My point is nung nandun si Jordan.. kapag bumagsak siya unexpectedly.. they usually lose.. I read this in a book.. But I agree with you that when MJ left (for the first time) biglang bumulusok si Pippen but this was also because BJ Armstrong, Toni Kukoc played great alongside Pip..

 

My bad na hindi ko na-explain ng mabuti ang point ko..

 

Sana lahat ng mga criticisms ay kamuhan ng sa iyo, Cheese.. may substance.. :mtc:

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[knights-ross]

Hey Dude, Jordan was offered by the Bulls $30 million plus a season just not to change address. Hindi ko sinasabing mukhang pera si Jordan, but it's business, walang personalan.  If want quality, you have to pay for it.  It's unfair to say that Shaq left Orlando for more money, it's just because the offer was better in LA.  Same thing with what happened to Jordan, the offer in Chicago was just right for MJ.

 

Also, with Shaq Orlando, parang mas sumikat si Penny, nung umalis lumaos na, dahil na rin Penny pushed himself to score more and then got injured.  With LA, Kobe had an automatic star with him and blossomed with Shaq, nung umalis di man lang naka-playoffs, well nawala rin yung ibang star players because of mis-management.  Tapos ngayon, Wade naman.  Wade is really getting a BIG boost from Shaq, Wade can now score more because of the mere presence of Shaq. 

 

Shaq get's double teamed more than any player.

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just an FYI,

 

MJ was paid around 24-26M... and all he asked for the bulls organization was to show him respect and what they think how much should be paid...

 

and they gave him 30M+. it was the bulls showing their appreciation for MJ and what he did to chicago bulls :thumbsupsmiley:

[Gideon]

just an FYI,

 

MJ was paid around 24-26M... and all he asked for the bulls organization was to show him respect and what they think how much should be paid...

 

and they gave him 30M+. it was the bulls showing their appreciation for MJ and what he did to chicago bulls  :thumbsupsmiley:

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Yup, 24-26 million would not be enough and 30M+ would show respect to Mj's abilities.

[Gideon]

Ganun ba.. I know that MJ got offered lots and tons of money by the Bulls, Nike or even Hanes for that matter.. Maybe it was my fault that I said that Shaq left Orlando for money.. Kaso hindi kaya para mas sumikat din siya dahil LA gets more media coverage than Orlando.. Well, in anycase.. mali nga siguro ako nung sinabi ko na hindi umalis si Jordan sa Bulls kahit na offer-an siya ng ibang team ng kahit na magkano.. Hindi ko naman kilala si Jordan eh.. 

 

Yung kay Shaq and Kobe.. iba ang take natin diyan dude.. I was never a Shaq believer after the Dream literally made him look like a fool.. and after he dissed the Spurs and TD -- when TD won his first ever MVP Award.. Nawalan ako ng gana sa attitude niya.. para sa akin parang naging sourgraper siya nung nag MVP si TD.. So, ayoko na pagtalunan yang Shaq had Kobe stuff coz we would not agree.. I am not like other people who would keep on insisting what I said kasi hindi tayo matatapos.. at puros replay lang.. When you say na DWade is getting a big boost when Shaq is around.. hindi rin ako agree coz Shaq does not dominate the paint like he used to.. that's my opinion.. and DWade can blossom even without a Shaq O Neal.. that's my take.. that's why I don't post sa Heat thread eh.. coz people there wouldn't agree on my POV's..

 

And because this is a Michael Jordan thread.. I have one thing to say to all the haters and non-believers of Jordan.. Jordan can not be compared to anyone.. coz he contributed what no one can do.. and that is revolution.. he globalized basketball.. Let's say Shaq had Kobe.. Well.. Jordan had more than Pippen.. he once had the world in his f**king hands..

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Dude, like I said before kanya-kanyang panahon lang yan. Swerte ni Jordan at pinanganak sya na maganda na ang Media technology. We can now watch the NBA almost everyday. Not like the 60', 70's, 80's and even 90's na halos hindi mo napapanood o minsan lang mapanood ang mga Greats ng NBA ng panahon na iyon.

 

I see Media Hype na rin kay Jordan, I know he plays well. But it's exaggerated na rin.

 

Like Kobe, Jordan could never win a championship w/o Pippen n Horace/Rodman.

 

I agree with you, Wade can blossom even with out Shaq. But Shaq makes players around him better, SHaq gets doubled teamed everytime he gets the Ball, that creates opportunities. He isn't play that well yet, because of injuries na rin n right he is 30+ old. But he is still a force in the paint, the Heat team can really feel the presence of Shaq in the middle.